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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 20 2007, 07:17 AM) [snapback]96135[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
WOW check that interview. Whingey Stoner is now whinging about electronics!!

His comment was that the tyres and electronics did not work as well as usual. The corollary of this is that they normally work very well, which would seem to be what you are arguing as the explanation for his season. Just as some people will us any excuse to criticise rossi (I have no idea why anyone would want to criticise him-his record speaks for itself), others including you seem to need little excuse to criticise stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 20 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]96190[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
His comment was that the tyres and electronics did not work as well as usual. The corollary of this is that they normally work very well, which would seem to be what you are arguing as the explanation for his season.
Do I?

I was under the impression that for months I've been saying "wait & see" because I'm unsure, there are still so many variables.

My original comment was intended as parody.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 21 2007, 12:26 AM) [snapback]96183[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd like to see where I've done that, certainly not on here.


Mate, I apologise for the poorly worded post. When I re-read it I agree that it does sound like I'm on your case specifically & that was not my original intent...

It's just that there's been so many similar posts by different people on here about every little comment that the guy has made & it's used as "evidence" to convict him of being a whinger.

So unfortunately I targeted you as the most recent comment provider... sorry.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Oct 20 2007, 09:57 AM) [snapback]96193[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


It's just that there's been so many similar posts by different people on here about every little comment that the guy has made
it gets a bit confusing don't it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Oct 20 2007, 02:54 PM) [snapback]96191[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Do I?

I was under the impression that for months I've been saying "wait & see" because I'm unsure, there are still so many variables.

My original comment was intended as parody.


I perhaps expressed myself poorly; I thought the implication of this particular post of yours was that electronics had been of great benefit to stoner this year. My point was that stoner would seem to have been agreeing with you.

I actually agree with both you and him. I think that superior traction control may be ducati's biggest advantage and probably contributes significantly to the apparent superior durability of the tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Oct 20 2007, 01:17 PM) [snapback]96169[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Qualifying mask poor race pace, and so will make Dani a moving chicane for the rest of the bridgestone field chasing Casey....



yes it dose mask race pace but what wrong with dani's lap and position it will make the opening laps more entertaining

if the other b/stone riders are any good they will get around him

well done to both kawasaki riders

im hoping rossi can pull off another one of his miracles and move up the field in his usual amazing style but it dose look unlikely b/stone are very very strong

who knows lets wait and see

this is what i mean. Dani and Rossi are 2 great riders..but thats not gonna help them today because Bridgestone riders have the advange on race pace.

Just look at that lap from Dani. Man if he was on bridgestones i think his chances of winning the race were pretty good. But hes on Michelins, which means hes gonna struggle on the early laps while the brigestones are gonna be pulling away.

I hope they go to single tire rule. or at least let the riders pick which tire they would like for next year.

Dani was constantly beating Deputniet and Stoner in the lower clases with the single tire. Now Stoner is kicking his ... on bridgestoners.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 20 2007, 08:37 PM) [snapback]96226[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dani was constantly beating Deputniet and Stoner in the lower clases with the single tire. Now Stoner is kicking his ... on bridgestoners.


A lot of things have changed since then, its not tyres making the difference

Just read on MotoGp.com that Hayden is running a new Michelin 16" rear and that he ran one last week as well. I'm not sure if he was on 15's before it doesn't elaborate
He had a good race pace last week so I'm wondering if Michelin found something here that might be working.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 20 2007, 05:25 PM) [snapback]96202[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I perhaps expressed myself poorly; I thought the implication of this particular post of yours was that electronics had been of great benefit to stoner this year. My point was that stoner would seem to have been agreeing with you.

I actually agree with both you and him. I think that superior traction control may be ducati's biggest advantage and probably contributes significantly to the apparent superior durability of the tyres.


I disagree. Rather it is the power that has been the huge advantage. When Rossi and Stoner has been close fighting there has been enough corner exits to study (and I've been watching many of them in replay) and in the huge majority Rossi has the advantage in the turn until almost straight up. He could go faster in almost any corner exit, with more power. That might prove as you said that the TC saves the ducs tires but at a cost of slower exits, however that doesn't matter when you have an extra 20-30hp to make up the loss x 2 and stay ahead or pass on the straight. So, I'd rather say the Ducatis bad traction control might cause better duraibilty but the real advantage is the power. Without it they would have been far down the field in a race as you normally need the exit speed to stay ahead or pass. So as a whole the sensetive tc serves Ducati quite well, saving tires, while the power on the straights make up for the loss. A good package i'd call it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 21 2007, 07:08 AM) [snapback]96231[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I disagree. Rather it is the power that has been the huge advantage. When Rossi and Stoner has been close fighting there has been enough corner exits to study (and I've been watching many of them in replay) and in the huge majority Rossi has the advantage in the turn until almost straight up. He could go faster in almost any corner exit, with more power. That might prove as you said that the TC saves the ducs tires but at a cost of slower exits, however that doesn't matter when you have an extra 20-30hp to make up the loss x 2 and stay ahead or pass on the straight. So, I'd rather say the Ducatis bad traction control might cause better duraibilty but the real advantage is the power. Without it they would have been far down the field in a race as you normally need the exit speed to stay ahead or pass. So as a whole the sensetive tc serves Ducati quite well, saving tires, while the power on the straights make up for the loss. A good package i'd call it.


Indeed... Great package including talented rider = multiple race wins & ultimately the championship. I'd say that's what usually happens to at least one rider per year...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 20 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]96231[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I disagree. Rather it is the power that has been the huge advantage. When Rossi and Stoner has been close fighting there has been enough corner exits to study (and I've been watching many of them in replay) and in the huge majority Rossi has the advantage in the turn until almost straight up. He could go faster in almost any corner exit, with more power. That might prove as you said that the TC saves the ducs tires but at a cost of slower exits, however that doesn't matter when you have an extra 20-30hp to make up the loss x 2 and stay ahead or pass on the straight. So, I'd rather say the Ducatis bad traction control might cause better duraibilty but the real advantage is the power. Without it they would have been far down the field in a race as you normally need the exit speed to stay ahead or pass. So as a whole the sensetive tc serves Ducati quite well, saving tires, while the power on the straights make up for the loss. A good package i'd call it.


I take your point. More power is seldom a hindrance, and I think the ducati continues to have a significant advantage over the yamaha. I am not so sure about the honda, or if reports are to be believed, the kawasaki at present. The power also does not seem to benefit capirossi nearly as much; I respect him and I was looking for an explanation other than casey being much better at this stage in their careers. I imagine if you have ridden for over a decade without tc your instinctive way of riding may not suit a bike with tc.

As both you and muzzy 57 say, it is the overall package which counts, and even a god-like rider cannot overcome a sufficiently talented rider with a superior package with current technology.