Rossi's front end

s1deburns · Apr 2, 2011

Quali for round 2 didnt inspire much confidence.

As soon as he stood up from the front end wash out he was going through what happened in his head...

The confusion will be something Stoner will not miss.

chopperman · Apr 2, 2011

Anyone would think it was just rossi who went down read that

Jumkie · Apr 2, 2011

chopperman said:
Anyone would think it was just rossi who went down read that

Well I lost count how many crashes there were, but I'd say the Yamaha's having front end issues says more about the track conditions than it did about Rossi's Ducati. That is not to say they sorted the Ducati, but we need to take the whole session in consideration. Spies for example is on a very stable bike and had a fron end issue. You can add Edwards to that as well. I'm thinking it may have been a combinations of a rear tire which seemed to push everybody on the front and maybe windy conditions. I thin Rossi's confidence was more a dog B bike than anything else. If we have a wet race tomorrow, we won't know, but if its dry, then the warm up will tell us something because Vale will be back on his A bike.

povol · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
Well I lost count how many crashes there were, but I'd say the Yamaha's having front end issues says more about the track conditions than it did about Rossi's Ducati. That is not to say they sorted the Ducati, but we need to take the whole session in consideration. Spies for example is on a very stable bike and had a fron end issue. You can add Edwards to that as well. I'm thinking it may have been a combinations of a rear tire which seemed to push everybody on the front and maybe windy conditions. I thin Rossi's confidence was more a dog B bike than anything else. If we have a wet race tomorrow, we won't know, but if its dry, then the warm up will tell us something because Vale will be back on his A bike.

You can lose the front on any bike obviously, but the Yamaha's were losing the front at totally different performance levels than the Duc. the main The Honda and Yamaha can back off, and still be much faster than the Ducati at its most dangerous limit.

Jumkie · Apr 2, 2011

povol said:
You can lose the front on any bike obviously, but the Yamaha's were losing the front at totally different performance levels than the Duc. the main The Honda and Yamaha can back off, and still be much faster than the Ducati at its most dangerous limit.

I'm not so sure. Consider that Spies' gap to the top three was .6. That is to say the top three are simply in another league and everybody else is a bit more comparable. That .6 gap is about the same for riders 9-16 (all within almost .6). In that group you had a Honda, a Yamaha, and a Ducati with a front end crash. Those three riders in terms of fast lap (a greater gap than probably their race pace lap runs) was only .29 (you may be tempted to say .29 is significant, but that's the exact gap Randy was faster than Rossi, another Ducati). I don't think the Yamaha and Honda of Edwards and Aoyama were having a much more significant pace to Rossi's Ducati. Dovi and Randy who sit next to eachother, 6 & 7, also suffered a front end crash, keep in mind Dovi on the stable factory Honda. So I'm not gonna conclude it was a pace issue. Certainly the Duc front end is ...., hell they've been screaming for change for over a year, but in terms of pace, the brands that had crashes TODAY were not that far apart. Which is why I hypothesize, its had more to do with track conditions. Just a guess, but backed up by some basic laymen's analysis.

povol · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
I'm not so sure. Consider that Spies' gap to the top three was .6. That is to say the top three are simply in another league and everybody else is a bit more comparable. That .6 gap is about the same for riders 9-16 (all within almost .6). In that group you had a Honda, a Yamaha, and a Ducati with a front end crash. Those three riders in terms of fast lap (a greater gap than probably their race pace lap runs) was only .29 (you may be tempted to say .29 is significant, but that's the exact gap Randy was faster than Rossi, another Ducati). I don't think the Yamaha and Honda of Edwards and Aoyama were having a much more significant pace to Rossi's Ducati. Dovi and Randy who sit next to eachother, 6 & 7, also suffered a front end crash, keep in mind Dovi on the stable factory Honda. So I'm not gonna conclude it was a pace issue. Certainly the Duc front end is ...., hell they've been screaming for change for over a year, but in terms of pace, the brands that had crashes TODAY were not that far apart.

At this point in the season,'and yea its early early', you would almost have to say that is exactly the case. The potential is there for these 3 to finish 1-2-3 in every race barring mechanical or physical issues. Very broad i know, as these are all part of a season, but these 3 are head and shoulders above the field and i dont see anything on the horizon that is going to change the dynamics. Not Spies, not Rossi, not Simoncelli

Jumkie · Apr 2, 2011

povol said:
At this point in the season,'and yea its early early', you would almost have to say that is exactly the case. The potential is there for these 3 to finish 1-2-3 in every race barring mechanical or physical issues. Very broad i know, as these are all part of a season, but these 3 are head and shoulders above the field and i dont see anything on the horizon that is going to change the dynamics. Not Spies, not Rossi, not Simoncelli

That's why I think those three will need to be very careful not to commit a self inflicted DNF. That could be their title.

BTW Here is the speed chart for Qual:

11674:Speed Q Jerez 11.png]

Looks like Elias is a shoe in for the podium...

Were is Rob to explain why Elias is over 2 seconds adrift and Lorenzo is within a rats hair of Pedro in qualifying positions?

Keshav · Apr 2, 2011

povol said:
At this point in the season,'and yea its early early', you would almost have to say that is exactly the case. The potential is there for these 3 to finish 1-2-3 in every race barring mechanical or physical issues. Very broad i know, as these are all part of a season, but these 3 are head and shoulders above the field and i dont see anything on the horizon that is going to change the dynamics. Not Spies, not Rossi, not Simoncelli

Every dog has his day. I expect to Simoncelli on the podium at least once this season.

I HOPE to see the Pieman up there as well. Clearly it's taking time to sort out

the factory-spec Yamaha. In an interview yesterday Spies said Don't worry we'll get it to rider better

- it can't possibly ride any worse. (almost verbatim)

chopperman · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
That's why I think those three will need to be very careful not to commit a self inflicted DNF. That could be their title.

BTW Here is the speed chart for Qual:

11674:Speed Q Jerez 11.png]

Looks like Elias is a shoe in for the podium...

Were is Rob to explain why Elias is over 2 seconds adrift and Lorenzo is within a rats hair of Pedro in qualifying positions?

That makes Cal's position look even more impressive. 10kph slower than the fastest

SuperShinya56 · Apr 2, 2011

s1deburns said:
Quali for round 2 didnt inspire much confidence.

As soon as he stood up from the front end wash out he was going through what happened in his head...

The confusion will be something Stoner will not miss.

Ummmm..... If I remember correctly Stoner got 20 some odd wins out of that Ducati. Get your head out of your ..., Rossi just can't man-handle that machine like Stoner can. Stop trying to make it sound as if it's totally the bikes fault to downplay Rossi's struggle, especially with a thread title like that. Nice try kid, but complete FAIL.

Arrabbiata1 · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
Were is Rob to explain why Elias is over 2 seconds adrift and Lorenzo is within a rats hair of Pedro in qualifying positions?

povol · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
That's why I think those three will need to be very careful not to commit a self inflicted DNF. That could be their title.

BTW Here is the speed chart for Qual:

11674:Speed Q Jerez 11.png]

Looks like Elias is a shoe in for the podium...

Were is Rob to explain why Elias is over 2 seconds adrift and Lorenzo is within a rats hair of Pedro in qualifying positions?

Beat you to it bro, it is scary that we sometimes think alike

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=13859

Arrabbiata1 · Apr 2, 2011

povol said:
Beat you to it bro, it is scary that we sometimes think alike

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=13859

Perhaps even politically one day???

chopperman · Apr 2, 2011

Arrabbiata1 said:
Perhaps even politically one day???

povol · Apr 2, 2011

Arrabbiata1 said:
Perhaps even politically one day???

Never happen, thats why i said scary and sometimes

jazkat · Apr 2, 2011

SuperShinya56 said:
Ummmm..... If I remember correctly Stoner got 20 some odd wins out of that Ducati. Get your head out of your ..., Rossi just can't man-handle that machine like Stoner can. Stop trying to make it sound as if it's totally the bikes fault to downplay Rossi's struggle, especially with a thread title like that. Nice try kid, but complete FAIL.

sorry to piss on your parade but there would be no guarantee that stoner would have topped any time sheet either.......if stoner was still at ducati then pedro would be at the top.

stoner faster than rossi guaranteed but he wouldnt be near the honda'space. even lorenzo on the yam has been digging deep to stay on pace.

honda and yamaha have risen there game even more this year.

SuperShinya56 · Apr 2, 2011

jazkat said:
sorry to piss on your parade but there would be no guarantee that stoner would have topped any time sheet either.......if stoner was still at ducati then pedro would be at the top.

stoner faster than rossi guaranteed but he wouldnt be near the honda'space. even lorenzo on the yam has been digging deep to stay on pace.

honda and yamaha have risen there game even more this year.

Thank You. Now move along.

jazkat · Apr 2, 2011

SuperShinya56 said:
Thank You. Now move along.

good job you can be so cheeky on the internet... if you was here you would be first inline for a skull punch

michaelm · Apr 2, 2011

Jumkie said:
Well I lost count how many crashes there were, but I'd say the Yamaha's having front end issues says more about the track conditions than it did about Rossi's Ducati. That is not to say they sorted the Ducati, but we need to take the whole session in consideration. Spies for example is on a very stable bike and had a fron end issue. You can add Edwards to that as well. I'm thinking it may have been a combinations of a rear tire which seemed to push everybody on the front and maybe windy conditions. I thin Rossi's confidence was more a dog B bike than anything else. If we have a wet race tomorrow, we won't know, but if its dry, then the warm up will tell us something because Vale will be back on his A bike.

I am beginning to think it is the bridgestone control tyres with even the yamaha, the most stable bike, having some tendency to front end loses exposed by the track conditions today. Perhaps the rear just has too much grip, comparatively at least.

s1deburns · Apr 3, 2011

chopperman said:
That makes Cal's position look even more impressive. 10kph slower than the fastest

He wiped his face... could have been better.

the chaps suffered out there.

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