Rossi sure he can win another title

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 2 2008, 10:49 PM) [snapback]105710[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so how many wins did Capi take to get the title in 06 then?? ...... Stoner rode like a "beestung pup" on many races at the beginning of the season .... then began to look a bit more confident .... thats racing .... thats what Rossi was like when he was at his prime .....


That's what I mean. The video is misleading because it shows a man riding brilliantly but in reality Casey was pushing super hard but he could have kept it upright and won those races.

Casey's first 5 wins were all Casey's skill level. 4 of his last 5 wins were handed to him on a silver platter by combination of track condition, competition being torpedoed. I think he earned PI. Even though Nicky blew up, Casey wasn't going to be denied at home.

All I'm saying is, the vid looks pretty. It is a testament to great riding. But that is the race you show if you are trying to make it look as though Ducati and Bridgestone are running away with another one--like they frequently do at low grip circuits.

I'm afraid I don't think rossi will win the title this year.

the yam just can't compete with the honda and the ducati.

if he was on one of the above however as much as I hate to say it, he would still win by a reasonable margin.

However for 2008 I think you will find its pedrosa's title. Michelins will be back, honda won't make the same mistake twice and dani is improving all the time.

1/ pedrosa
2/ stoner
3/ rossi

I see it like that this year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 3 2008, 06:25 AM) [snapback]105706[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Then why do you not compalin about Rossi winning ( or even riding ) with the aid of "electronics" ??

Hell even the yamaha engineers came out and put fuel on the "crazy fire" buy informing us that the Yamaha TC uses GPS to change the electronics at different parts of the track. Hows Rossi going to go now if that is switched off??



i dont whine about rossi because i know he can ride with or without the tc, im just sick of people trying to hand a comparison when stoner has only won a single gp on a machine that set the bar, even next year it will still probably be quicker than most, but thats racing, well what ever he wont get credit from me until he can win on another bike but then again he will probably stay with ducati.
the thing about gps thats something else that wants throwing in the bin clearly more of a hinderance than a help, GPS my ... a race track aint the same every lap it could be hot , cold , wet , warn tyres ,hows gps gonna help with that, this sort of thing probably makes his riding worse constantly changing, trouble is with yam they get these stupid ideas of trying to be 2 years ahead of everyone else when it comes to electronics and they are clearly fuing things up.
you really think that gps will be a help?? id say that is clearly one of the problems dont try explain it to me cos i know even if they have there own personsl yamaha sattelite in space for the gps it still wont work correctly i mean look at sat-nav how often does that bugger up?

what do you want me to say, ive said stoner is a great rider over and over but comparing him to doohan and rossi is just taking the piss.

i like ham

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Jan 2 2008, 05:04 PM) [snapback]105647[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Let the onslaught from all the Rossi haters begin.

Good thing Vale is good at drawing out the hate on this forum, and looking forward to 08. So blow it out your .....
I tried really hard to see the sarcasm but couldn't where's the troll spray?



Like jumkie said, it's not really newsworthy. It's like rossi saying he ate breakfast this morning. the mcn office must be pretty boring at the moment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jan 3 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what do you want me to say, ive said stoner is a great rider over and over but comparing him to doohan and rossi is just taking the piss.
I basically agree with you. As we have discussed previously in this forum it is going to be hard for people to win 5 championships in the future , particularly in a row, even if they are as good as doohan or rossi given the expansion of the sport with more talented young riders getting a chance earlier, the current rules which seem to have put more of a premium on engineering etc.

However stoner still needs to win multiple championships, probably at least three, to be called a great rider, let alone as good as rossi. I think he has a good chance next (this) year but after that even if he is quite exceptional it will be difficult as honda et al are unlikely to let ducati have parity and certainly not an advantage.

Rossi easily continues to have the talent to win another championship if he still has the motivation and is given a competitive bike, although where he is at the moment is of his own choosing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Jan 3 2008, 07:29 AM) [snapback]105731[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I tried really hard to see the sarcasm but couldn't where's the troll spray?
Like jumkie said, it's not really newsworthy. It's like rossi saying he ate breakfast this morning. the mcn office must be pretty boring at the moment.

All I'm saying is that no matter what Rossi can say (Praise for Stoner & Pedrosa or he can win the title in 08) people will bash him.

Five bucks all you Rossi bashers laughed with all your hate when you read this interview.

Makes me wonder what people would have said if I hadn't posted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Jan 3 2008, 02:34 PM) [snapback]105732[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I basically agree with you. As we have discussed previously in this forum it is going to be hard for people to win 5 championships in the future , particularly in a row, even if they are as good as doohan or rossi given the expansion of the sport with more talented young riders getting a chance earlier, the current rules which seem to have put more of a premium on engineering etc.

However stoner still needs to win multiple championships, probably at least three, to be called a great rider, let alone as good as rossi. I think he has a good chance next year but after that even if he is quite exceptional it will be difficult as honda et al are unlikely to let ducati have parity and certainly not an advantage.

Rossi easily continues to have the talent to win another championship if he still has the motivation and is given a competitive bike, although where he is at the moment is of his own choosing.


yes your correct and im glad you have a unbiased view, i just get annoyed sometimes cos people say rossi cant win again or hes past it,
i dont say stoner wont win again so i dont see why people say rossi wont win again just because hes been beaten by stoner.
im 100% possitive rossi can win again more than once i just think he will have a hard time doing so on the yam as it is at the moment.
i dont think he will stay with yamha and even tho people say ducati im thinking he may end up back at honda despite what has happend in the past, the craziest thing that could happen and id love to see is him riding for suzuki or kawasaki, if he won the title that way then he would really be the ultimate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Jan 3 2008, 03:36 PM) [snapback]105739[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
dont think he will stay with yamha and even tho people say ducati im thinking he may end up back at honda despite what has happend in the past, the craziest thing that could happen and id love to see is him riding for suzuki or kawasaki, if he won the title that way then he would really be the ultimate.

I would love to see him on a kawasaki; he would likely have to take a paycut though .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Jan 3 2008, 07:31 AM) [snapback]105712[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Casey's first 5 wins were all Casey's skill level. 4 of his last 5 wins were handed to him on a silver platter by combination of track condition, competition being torpedoed. I think he earned PI. Even though Nicky blew up, Casey wasn't going to be denied at home.


I dunno about that, back at the beginning Ducati had the biggest speed advantage and Casey's confidence grew the more he won and believed he could win the title.

Then when the other manufacturers caught up he was so far ahead he wouldn't concede.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jan 3 2008, 04:00 PM) [snapback]105793[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I dunno about that, back at the beginning Ducati had the biggest speed advantage and Casey's confidence grew the more he won and believed he could win the title.

Then when the other manufacturers caught up he was so far ahead he wouldn't concede.


I know, that's the Rossi fan and the media logic. Many people feel similarly.

The truth is, all you can ask for is a bike that allows you to stay on the pace until the last few laps when you can duel for the win. The Ducati was good enough to keep Casey at or near the front. In Qatar (the race where the speed advantage was most visible) Casey won on the last lap in the twisty section.


The races Casey won b/c of the bike/tire or race situation were the three around the summer break--Laguna, Brno, RSM.

All are low-grip or resurfaced circuits that play to the B-stones. The competition was taken out at 2 of them. Hopper at Laguna, the Repsols and Vale at RSM.

Malaysia has twin 900m straights. That will probably be Ducati country for another few seasons as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(D Wheeler @ Jan 3 2008, 01:12 PM) [snapback]105725[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm afraid I don't think rossi will win the title this year.

the yam just can't compete with the honda and the ducati.

if he was on one of the above however as much as I hate to say it, he would still win by a reasonable margin.

However for 2008 I think you will find its pedrosa's title. Michelins will be back, honda won't make the same mistake twice and dani is improving all the time.

1/ pedrosa
2/ stoner
3/ rossi

I see it like that this year


As long as the Yamaha is good in other area's, top speed will still be an issue but i think if he can stay in the slipstream it won't be a big problem.

Most people like to see Rossi work for the win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jan 4 2008, 08:48 PM) [snapback]105850[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As long as the Yamaha is good in other area's, top speed will still be an issue but i think if he can stay in the slipstream it won't be a big problem.

Most people like to see Rossi work for the win.


I agree there. Even if passing has become harder he can still pull it off if he can stay in the slip stream on a regular basis, not only when he has the perfect exit and the one in front has a bad one.

If that Bridgestone front tire is as fantastic as some says we might even see a few interesting passes and new lines <strike>next</strike> this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(D Wheeler @ Jan 3 2008, 01:12 PM) [snapback]105725[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm afraid I don't think rossi will win the title this year.

the yam just can't compete with the honda and the ducati.

if he was on one of the above however as much as I hate to say it, he would still win by a reasonable margin.

However for 2008 I think you will find its pedrosa's title. Michelins will be back, honda won't make the same mistake twice and dani is improving all the time.

1/ pedrosa
2/ stoner
3/ rossi

I see it like that this year


Pedrosa will not win the Championship next year.
He is still the guy that likes to ride out front away from the dogfights.
If Ducati continues to set the bar or even be level par with Honda. Pedrosa doesn't have the race craft to battle a desperate Rossi, desperate Stoner, vengeful Hayden and a handfull of vets and rookies.

Hopkins, Elias nor DePuniet will make things easy if Pedrosa slips one inch towards the second row of the grid...

Next year will be as close as the end of the 990's if Michelin and Bridgestone bring it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Jan 5 2008, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa will not win the Championship next year.

If he can get stronger improve his braking enabling him to outbreak the best guys he could be quite a force... but meh i don't see it happening anytime soon.

At Catalunya he was simply a passenger watching behind Rossi and Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 6 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he can get stronger improve his braking enabling him to outbreak the best guys he could be quite a force... but meh i don't see it happening anytime soon.

At Catalunya he was simply a passenger watching behind Rossi and Stoner.

I agree.
Braking is his weakness but if he or his team can overcome the problem, he is going to be a massive threat for the championship.
Particularly if Michelin turn out to be even the slightly better tyre over the course of the whole season.
In 2007 when Michelin had an advantage he had to fight with Rossi for the win and wasn't up to the challenge.
But in 2008 when Michelin have an advantage he will have only Nicky to overcome. Same goes for Hayden.
On a good Michelin day if he beats his team mate he will probably win the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 6 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree.
Braking is his weakness but if he or his team can overcome the problem, he is going to be a massive threat for the championship.
Particularly if Michelin turn out to be even the slightly better tyre over the course of the whole season.
In 2007 when Michelin had an advantage he had to fight with Rossi for the win and wasn't up to the challenge.
But in 2008 when Michelin have an advantage he will have only Nicky to overcome. Same goes for Hayden.
On a good Michelin day if he beats his team mate he will probably win the race.

Good observation, I agree. The truth probably is, Rossi knows this and he really wants to confront himself with Stoner, rather than with Pedrosa, whom he has regularly beaten. Stoner is the man who has been consistently faster than Rossi in 2007, not Pedrosa. So the whole bridgestone move is about that - being able to duel with Stoner at most of the races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 5 2008, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Braking is his weakness but if he or his team can overcome the problem, he is going to be a massive threat for the championship.
I'd agree that it is Pedrosa's weakness but I'd also say that his braking improved massively toward the end of 07. If he can keep that improvement going and Michelin/Honda get there act together I can see him doing very well in 08.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jan 6 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd agree that it is Pedrosa's weakness but I'd also say that his braking improved massively toward the end of 07. If he can keep that improvement going and Michelin/Honda get there act together I can see him doing very well in 08.

Tha's the way I saw it too.
Honda and Dani definitely improved in the latter part of the championship.

im sure rossi can win another title thnk it be a lot closer than last year