Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

tps7c said:

Gaz you really must have taken a fall at some point in life. I'm saying, right now Rossi is out of his prime. I feel like if he WAS at his prime today, he would beat the top riders.

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But, on what do you base your assumption ............ let me guess .... the past.

And if the past, thence the past becomes relevant which means the FACT that he kicked out at another rider IS relevant to discussions

It does NOT prove that he kicked Marquez, but all I mentioned was that he had form kicking ......... have you caught up yet?

tps7c said:

And how on earth can you claim that just because he is still in motogp that he is currently in his prime???? OMG you make zero sense. All riders have a time period of when they do there best riding. No one is at their 100% best for their entire career.

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Quite simple really.

MotoGP is the prime of the sport, thus all riders still competing are within the prime of their careers and abilities, else they would not or should not be there.

You seem to acquaint prime with something else where to simply be competitive at the top level shows that a rider is still in their prime.

But, please do tell on what you judge the prime of a career?

tps7c said:

Now you're being a super troll. A troll pf epic proportions.

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Pot, kettle perhaps?

I suggest that you have moved to defining a troll as 'someone who has an opinion that does not conform to my way' and if that is the case, then yes I am a troll and I do reside under a bridge.

tps7c said:

"Johnny", if you want to make this personal, I'd be happy to meet up with you in person.

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How about the bathroom in the park? Your familiar with the location

Gaz said:

But, on what do you base your assumption ............ let me guess .... the past.

And if the past, thence the past becomes relevant which means the FACT that he kicked out at another rider IS relevant to discussions

It does NOT prove that he kicked Marquez, but all I mentioned was that he had form kicking ......... have you caught up yet?




Quite simple really.

MotoGP is the prime of the sport, thus all riders still competing are within the prime of their careers and abilities, else they would not or should not be there.

You seem to acquaint prime with something else where to simply be competitive at the top level shows that a rider is still in their prime.

But, please do tell on what you judge the prime of a career?




Pot, kettle perhaps?

I suggest that you have moved to defining a troll as 'someone who has an opinion that does not conform to my way' and if that is the case, then yes I am a troll and I do reside under a bridge.

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We all have differing opinions which is fine, but your definition of prime is simply incorrect. You said that anyone in motogp currently, is in their prime. That is rubbish. Someone's prime is their absolute best riding years, the prime of their life. does any rider perform at their best for their entire career?

JohnnyKnockdown said:

How about the bathroom in the park? Your familiar with the location

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Johnny you tried to accuse me of murder. I don't take lightly to that. Check you pm.

tps7c said:

We all have differing opinions which is fine, but your definition of prime is simply incorrect. You said that anyone in motogp currently, is in their prime. That is rubbish. Someone's prime is their absolute best riding years, the prime of their life. does any rider perform at their best for their entire career?

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Wow, so now you are a dictionary .......... I congratulate you ........... are you Oxford, Webster or one of the other google variants?


Prime is about being at the top.

MotoGP is the top of Motorcycle circuit racing, thus to compete in MotoGP one is at the top of the sport - thus in the prime

Having a different opinion does not make one wrong in most worlds and nor would I suggest that you are wrong to hold your opinion, but I would suggest that prime does not necessarily mean best results as if that were the case than Rossi has had 9 prime years which out of 20 is pretty damn good.

IMO here but to suggest that Rossi is not at his prime now actually is a fallacy as he remains competitive, although of course if one is suggesting that he is no longer at his prime because he cannot win, thence there are many riders with peaks and troughs marking their prime careers

Gaz said:

Wow, so now you are a dictionary .......... I congratulate you ........... are you Oxford, Webster or one of the other google variants?


Prime is about being at the top.

MotoGP is the top of Motorcycle circuit racing, thus to compete in MotoGP one is at the top of the sport - thus in the prime

Having a different opinion does not make one wrong in most worlds and nor would I suggest that you are wrong to hold your opinion, but I would suggest that prime does not necessarily mean best results as if that were the case than Rossi has had 9 prime years which out of 20 is pretty damn good.

IMO here but to suggest that Rossi is not at his prime now actually is a fallacy as he remains competitive, although of course if one is suggesting that he is no longer at his prime because he cannot win, thence there are many riders with peaks and troughs marking their prime careers

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You are correct in saying that having a different opinion does not make one wrong, but you are incorrect in defining the word prime.

And, Rossi can still win. He won last year and I predict he will win some races again this year. I don;t think he will compete for the title, but maybe wind up top 4.

Rossi is definitely not in his prime riding years at 36, and to suggest he is, is quite a fallacy.

tps7c said:

We all have differing opinions which is fine, but your definition of prime is simply incorrect. You said that anyone in motogp currently, is in their prime. That is rubbish. Someone's prime is their absolute best riding years, the prime of their life. does any rider perform at their best for their entire career?

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I substantially agree with your definition of "prime" , but in what way was Rossi not in his prime in 2007 when he was 28 and Stoner beat him, or 2009 when he was 30, when Jorge ran him fairly close as the number two rider at Yamaha, given you seem to be arguing Jorge who is 29 in 2 weeks is in his prime now? MM and Stoner were both younger when they won their first premier class titles than when Rossi won his if you want to extend it back the other way.

Your definition of " prime" would seem to be a convenient one as is not unusual for those of your ilk, that Rossi was only in his prime in the years that he won. What I wouldn't argue is that Rossi has had a longer prime than anyone else including Mick Doohan as Doohan has actually said. Stoner didn't match him in that regard and Lorenzo and MM in all likelihood won't, although I wouldn't say there is no chance of either doing so given Jorge is a "5 times world champion" at age 29 and MM reasonably likely to be so at the end of this season at an age a few years younger than Jorge.

tps7c said:

You are correct in saying that having a different opinion does not make one wrong, but you are incorrect in defining the word prime.

And, Rossi can still win. He won last year and I predict he will win some races again this year. I don;t think he will compete for the title, but maybe wind up top 4.

Rossi is definitely not in his prime riding years at 36, and to suggest he is, is quite a fallacy.

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Two definitions of prime that may be relevant

1. of the best possible quality; excellent.

2. the state or time of greatest vigour or success in a person's life.



Both may apply.

Definition 1 indicates best possible quality which he is producing within his means today (ie. he is in the prime) where 2 indicates heydays, prime of years past


If he is no longer in his prime, thence why is the sport centred on him?

Why do so many fans feel the need to denigrate the performances of others who are able to beat this athlete that you assert is not in their prime?


FWIW, if he does not finish up in the top 4 then it is a failed year (same goes for JL, MM and DP) all barring injury of course as they are simply on the best 4 bikes at present. Yes, one could say that the Ducati is performing well which is true, but it also started last year in similar fashion before fading as the year went on (whether riders or bike I guess we shall never know)

Rossi may not be in his prime riding years (given that many suggest 32 being the end), but by simply being competitive he has shown that he is still very much within the prime of his riding abilities (else he would not have been competitive enough for 2nd last year).

michaelm said:

I substantially agree with your definition of "prime" , but in what way was Rossi not in his prime in 2007 when he was 28 and Stoner beat him, or 2009 when he was 30, when Jorge ran him fairly close as the number two rider at Yamaha, given you seem to be arguing Jorge who is 29 in 2 weeks is in his prime now? MM and Stoner were both younger when they won their first premier class titles than when Rossi won his if you want to extend it back the other way.

Your definition of " prime" would seem to be a convenient one as is not unusual for those of your ilk, that Rossi was only on his prime on the years that he won.

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God, you really ALL are just as bad as boppers. Please follow along:

Rossi was reaching the end of his prime around 2007, even though he still won 2 additional championships after that - he wasn't the best Rossi at that point. I definitely think Lorenzo is in th later portion of his prime right now.

Take a 25 year old Rossi and put him on a bike today, and yes, I think he smokes them all. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, oh well!

Gaz said:

Two definitions of prime that may be relevant

1. of the best possible quality; excellent.

2. the state or time of greatest vigour or success in a person's life.



Both may apply.

Definition 1 indicates best possible quality which he is producing within his means today (ie. he is in the prime) where 2 indicates heydays, prime of years past


If he is no longer in his prime, thence why is the sport centred on him?

Why do so many fans feel the need to denigrate the performances of others who are able to beat this athlete that you assert is not in their prime?


FWIW, if he does not finish up in the top 4 then it is a failed year (same goes for JL, MM and DP) all barring injury of course as they are simply on the best 4 bikes at present. Yes, one could say that the Ducati is performing well which is true, but it also started last year in similar fashion before fading as the year went on (whether riders or bike I guess we shall never know)

Rossi may not be in his prime riding years (given that many suggest 32 being the end), but by simply being competitive he has shown that he is still very much within the prime of his riding abilities (else he would not have been competitive enough for 2nd last year).

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You're not following me at all my friend. I'm saying that he is such a great rider that he's able to still be competitive at age 36. If he possessed his ability now, that he did at 25, he would be unstoppable.

tps7c said:

You're not following me at all my friend. I'm saying that he is such a great rider that he's able to still be competitive at age 36. If he possessed his ability now, that he did at 25, he would be unstoppable.

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I am following you quite well actually .............. just that I disagree

It would seem that it is you that is not following why the kick video of earlier was relevant ........ it happened in the past and thus one has form but you discounted it's relevancy as trolling ........... and yet, Rossi as a 25 year old from the past will smoke riders of today (in your opinion) .......

If one is irrelevant thence the other is also irrelevant as just as Rossi will not be 25 years old again, nor will Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson, Spencer and so forth and so you can only assert and judge the riding abilities against the best of the era. Sure one can surmise a 'what if' but then one must also be fair to all riders.


And FWIW, I truly believe that riders such as Doohan, Rainey, Lawson etc are way to overlooked by the 'modern race fan' when it comes to rider comparisons .........



Should also add that I have no friends for I am a wannabe google using keyboard warrior hell bent on causing discord amongst those who mat worship at a different altar than I.

Gaz said:

I am following you quite well actually .............. just that I disagree

It would seem that it is you that is not following why the kick video of earlier was relevant ........ it happened in the past and thus one has form but you discounted it's relevancy as trolling ........... and yet, Rossi as a 25 year old from the past will smoke riders of today (in your opinion) .......

If one is irrelevant thence the other is also irrelevant as just as Rossi will not be 25 years old again, nor will Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson, Spencer and so forth and so you can only assert and judge the riding abilities against the best of the era. Sure one can surmise a 'what if' but then one must also be fair to all riders.


And FWIW, I truly believe that riders such as Doohan, Rainey, Lawson etc are way to overlooked by the 'modern race fan' when it comes to rider comparisons .........

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Fantastic! You disagree with me, and I disagree with you. Goodnight my friend.

tps7c said:

God, you really ALL are just as bad as boppers. Please follow along:

Rossi was reaching the end of his prime around 2007, even though he still won 2 additional championships after that - he wasn't the best Rossi at that point. I definitely think Lorenzo is in th later portion of his prime right now.

Take a 25 year old Rossi and put him on a bike today, and yes, I think he smokes them all. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, oh well!

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I am saying that what you are rather conveniently claiming is that he was in his prime only when he was racing Biaggi and Gibernau. What logical reason is there for him not being in his prime in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 particularly given Mick Doohan, the only other rider with 5 consecutive titles in the modern era, was a similar age to Rossi in those years during his 5 year run (EDIT Mick actually turned 29 mid season in 1994, the year of his 1st title).

As to raw speed at their absolute fastest, I think it is close between all 4 riders, but that can only ever be a matter of opinion. I think it is hard to claim anyone has ever been faster than MM. There is perhaps some case for Rossi being more consistent or tactically astute, but MM very much has years of his "prime" ahead of him. He was probably better at taking a bike forward in concert with his team, although he was on a factory Yamaha bike in 2006. It can no longer be claimed he is more versatile than other riders after the Ducati adventure, whereas MM has been able to win on pretty much every bike he has ever ridden thus far.

tps7c said:

"Johnny", if you want to make this personal, I'd be happy to meet up with you in person.

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Hahaha!! Dude, you just check all the boxes without even knowing you are in the game... This months entertainment.

Rossi's "prime" ended in 2010 at Mugello, up until that mistake in practice he'd been riding faster than he ever had, even though he'd won "only" two championships in the previous half decade compared to the 5 consecutive he'd won in the early half of the decade, he was riding the best he ever had done, he was up against riders like Lorenzo and Stoner, a far sterner test than Biaggi and Gibernau.

All this "prime" business is pretty irrelevant in my opinion. He's riding a motorcycle ffs, not pedalling a pushbike or running or swimming. Yes a MotoGP rider needs a certain level of fitness, but experience can be as much of a leveller in this sport.
This day and age, modern diets, fitness routines and vitamin supplements can add decades to a rider's effective career. There's nothing that special about Rossi being competitive at his age, if he was riding his ... off on an uncompetitive bike then yes, but he's been on one of the four best bikes in the world for most of his career. The two that he wasn't, well we know how that went...
As has been mentioned, Rossi has come up against faster riders and will soon use his "age get out pass" as an excuse to leave the sport whilst still proclaiming he's the goat.
tps7c has had lots of honest and very valid statements proving Rossi's advantages, his nasty and dishonest behaviour and the general ugliness he rings to the sport, and whilst he claims to take them under consideration he steps around them like fresh dog turds on a sidewalk. He's a bopper of the highest order who will continue to pedal his rubbish theories because he truly and desperately needs them to be true. He's already started to get personal and will only get worse as people refute his claims. Mark my words, this bopper will get more and more irate as his theories are shot down...
Best ignored.

tps7c said:

Johnny you tried to accuse me of murder. I don't take lightly to that. Check you pm.

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The article only says its a missing person. You say murdered. Hmmmmmm, interesting

WVMotoGP99 said:

I kind of agree with T Wreck, even if his account of what happened isn't accurate.

Regardless of who is to blame, (IMO, Rossi owns about 90% of the fault), but regardless of who, if I would have lost the championship that way, my fault or his, the relationship would never be the same.

To think that any of those egos on the track would "forgive and forget" and go grab a beer after is wishful thinking.

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I mean really, who ....... cares if their relationship can't be repaired? It's not like they're Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton or the the King and Queen of England. Racers aren't really known for loving the guys who are out to beat them. The statement itself is the stuff of soap operas. They should both STFU and get to racing. This thread has veered off into some interesting places - but when it comes to the actual comment that started it - I can only think, What? Are we a bunch of sniffling prepubescent girls clutching copies of Teen Beat Magazine agonizing over the possible break-up of our favorite boy band?

Back in the 500cc days, I recall it being said most riders hit their prime around 27/28/29 as it took a good 5-7 years to really master riding the 2-strokes to a point where they could then turn around and legitimately challenge for a world title. I still feel the same holds true, only with all of the electronics and the 4-stroke motors, the learning curve is no longer as steep. So it's more possible for a rider to get an earlier start to winning. But in terms of the experience and skill coming perfectly together, I'd still say 27 and on to maybe 34 is the absolute prime.

Mick D said:

Hahaha!! Dude, you just check all the boxes without even knowing you are in the game... This months entertainment.

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Oh, considering I've worked ALL of you fools into a frenzy over the past few days with my posts, I'd say I'm playing the game better than anyone...lmao thanks for the entertainment boys!