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Bike electronics set to be restricted

By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer Wednesday, November 19th 2008, 09:53 GMT

Valentino Rossi leads Jorge Lorenzo and Nicky Hayden at JerezCarmelo Ezpeleta, head of MotoGP commercial rights-holder Dorna, has hinted that the next major regulation change will be to decrease the importance of rider aid electronics in the championship.

MotoGP is introducing a single tyre supplier next year in a bid to reduce speeds and improve the racing, but many riders have also called for limitations on electronics, as they believe systems like traction control are harming the spectacle and making the MotoGP machines too easy to handle.

Although Ezpeleta warned that there would be no changes in the short-term, he confirmed that rider aids were the next topic on the agenda now that the tyre regulations were fixed.

"We need to get down to discuss it, as it's been done in every motor racing series," he told Motosprint.

"I've asked the manufacturers to look for a solution, to start talking, but we won't see anything in 2009. We'll need more time.

"However, regulating electronics will be the next step."

He denied that the current regulations had made recent seasons less exciting, though, and insisted that the 2008 battles between Valentino Rossi, Casey Stoner and Dani Pedrosa had been an excellent advert for MotoGP.

"2008 has been a great championship: Valentino, Casey and Dani did incredible things," said Ezpeleta.

"It must not be thought that Valentino won easily, he made incredible efforts and he won thanks to his genius. And he has shown his genius to the entire world, so this is a spectacle of the highest level. You only need to remember the Laguna Seca race...

"This was a season where Valentino's strategy counted a lot, and he won because he put Stoner under pressure. And if we add to this Pedrosa, who until mid-season was ahead, the level this year was extremely high. So the title for us has extraordinary value."

Ezpeleta is also confident that the Bridgestone control tyres will improve the racing next year, especially after the successful first tests of the new rubber at Valencia earlier this month.

"Looks like the control tyre is becoming less scary now," he said.

"I've spoken to the riders, and they've all told me they're satisfied. I really think everything will be fine.

"I have lots of confidence in the control tyre, also in order to see the riders closer to each other and to see races with more overtaking.

"So I expect the control tyre not only to reduce costs, but also to improve the spectacle."

He also confirmed that the compounds used in the Valencia test would be retained for 2009.

"If there should be conditions where we need to make some adjustments, then we'll do them for sure, but in general the regulation is the one experimented at Valencia," Ezpeleta said.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>He also confirmed that the compounds used in the Valencia test would be retained for 2009.

"If there should be conditions where we need to make some adjustments, then we'll do them for sure, but in general the regulation is the one experimented at Valencia," Ezpeleta said.

and rossi was delighted with that compounds
 
They've cut 3 liters of fuel and 200cc of engine displacement trying to slow the sport down. It hasn't worked. Why don't they make it easy on themselves?

Unlimited displacement, unlimited fuel capacity, top speed limit, control tire, control fuel, raise minimum weight/dimensions slightly. Done. Solved. Sport fixed.

GPS traction control isn't the holy grail of bike development when you have smooth torque delivery from a big displacement engine.

Define the performance criteria that humans and tracks can sustain, leave everything else to the imagination.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"2008 has been a great championship: Valentino, Casey and Dani did incredible things," said Ezpeleta.

"It must not be thought that Valentino won easily, he made incredible efforts and he won thanks to his genius. And he has shown his genius to the entire world, so this is a spectacle of the highest level. You only need to remember the Laguna Seca race...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Nov 19 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Laguna was the ONLY thing worth remembering this year.

Exactly. I'm a bit jaded on MOTOGP at the moment
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WSBK is so much better to watch. Oh well there is always high hopes for 2009
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Nov 19 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Laguna was the ONLY thing worth remembering this year.
That's not true, what about Valencia testing? The debuts of Hayden on a Ducati, Dovi at Repsol, Melandri at Kawasaki and Gibernau's return? By far the second most exciting point for me of 2008. A test.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 19 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's not true, what about Valencia testing? The debuts of Hayden on a Ducati, Dovi at Repsol, Melandri at Kawasaki and Gibernau's return? By far the second most exciting point for me of 2008. A test.

Mainly the test was interesting to me because of how it projected 2009 to be. My big fears were erased in that test. The fast guys were fast, Hayden's team swap went swimmingly, Suzuki was competitive, and the tires were decent all around. Everyone needs the winter breather to heal and develop and now next year can't come soon enough for me now. Prior to this test I was wondering if I should get a new hobby.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 20 2008, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unlimited displacement, unlimited fuel capacity, top speed limit, control tire, control fuel, raise minimum weight/dimensions slightly. Done. Solved. Sport fixed.


That sounds like WSBK Championship
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They've cut 3 liters of fuel and 200cc of engine displacement trying to slow the sport down. It hasn't worked. Why don't they make it easy on themselves?

Unlimited displacement, unlimited fuel capacity, top speed limit, control tire, control fuel, raise minimum weight/dimensions slightly. Done. Solved. Sport fixed.

GPS traction control isn't the holy grail of bike development when you have smooth torque delivery from a big displacement engine.

Define the performance criteria that humans and tracks can sustain, leave everything else to the imagination.

That's WSBK. Since this is a prototype machine, I would say limit to max 999 cc displacement, open configuration engine and system - rotary, no of cylinder, minimum weight according to the no of cylinder and configuration with specified amount of fuel.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 19 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bike electronics set to be restricted

By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer Wednesday, November 19th 2008, 09:53 GMT

Valentino Rossi leads Jorge Lorenzo and Nicky Hayden at JerezCarmelo Ezpeleta, head of MotoGP commercial rights-holder Dorna, has hinted that the next major regulation change will be to decrease the importance of rider aid electronics in the championship.

MotoGP is introducing a single tyre supplier next year in a bid to reduce speeds and improve the racing, but many riders have also called for limitations on electronics, as they believe systems like traction control are harming the spectacle and making the MotoGP machines too easy to handle.

Although Ezpeleta warned that there would be no changes in the short-term, he confirmed that rider aids were the next topic on the agenda now that the tyre regulations were fixed.

"We need to get down to discuss it, as it's been done in every motor racing series," he told Motosprint.

"I've asked the manufacturers to look for a solution, to start talking, but we won't see anything in 2009. We'll need more time.

"However, regulating electronics will be the next step."

He denied that the current regulations had made recent seasons less exciting, though, and insisted that the 2008 battles between Valentino Rossi, Casey Stoner and Dani Pedrosa had been an excellent advert for MotoGP.

"2008 has been a great championship: Valentino, Casey and Dani did incredible things," said Ezpeleta.

"It must not be thought that Valentino won easily, he made incredible efforts and he won thanks to his genius. And he has shown his genius to the entire world, so this is a spectacle of the highest level. You only need to remember the Laguna Seca race...

"This was a season where Valentino's strategy counted a lot, and he won because he put Stoner under pressure. And if we add to this Pedrosa, who until mid-season was ahead, the level this year was extremely high. So the title for us has extraordinary value."

Ezpeleta is also confident that the Bridgestone control tyres will improve the racing next year, especially after the successful first tests of the new rubber at Valencia earlier this month.

"Looks like the control tyre is becoming less scary now," he said.

"I've spoken to the riders, and they've all told me they're satisfied. I really think everything will be fine.

"I have lots of confidence in the control tyre, also in order to see the riders closer to each other and to see races with more overtaking.

"So I expect the control tyre not only to reduce costs, but also to improve the spectacle."

He also confirmed that the compounds used in the Valencia test would be retained for 2009.

"If there should be conditions where we need to make some adjustments, then we'll do them for sure, but in general the regulation is the one experimented at Valencia," Ezpeleta said.

looks like they are laying the groundwork for an escape rule when the tyre rule proves to be ineffective!

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It's sad to think how the sport has been made boring because of safety.

Don't get me wrong, I think safety is one of the most important things for our sport but there was nothing wrong with the bikes to begin with. Kato's accident was a freak accident and down to circuit standards, not because of the bikes. All the measures they've used have failed horribly, especially the 800 formula who I don't see ANYONE supporting.

Good lord, I'm agreeing with Lex's post!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 19 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and rossi was delighted with that compounds

Stoner as well. Who remains the fastest rider on those 'compounds'.
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While you, Pinky, remain the fastest replicant of yourself across all these oh so typical 'topics'
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Nov 19 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's WSBK. Since this is a prototype machine, I would say limit to max 999 cc displacement, open configuration engine and system - rotary, no of cylinder, minimum weight according to the no of cylinder and configuration with specified amount of fuel.

A 999cc rotary vs. a 999cc 4 stroke?
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Firstly, people can't stop fighting over the correct way to measure the displacement of a rotary engine. Secondly, a rotary would destroy a four stroke by any fair-displacement measure assuming heat could be controlled and fuel restrictions were lax.

Rotaries require fewer moving parts and they don't require complicated valve systems so they are cheap to make. If engineers sorted heat dissipation, compression issues, and fuel economy, the rotary would be the greatest racing engine ever developed. You can rev it to the moon and back without the same reciprocating mass problems.

Long and short, they may as well use the tire to control most handling aspects and let the top speed limit keep them from going 500mph. The displacement issues aren't worth arguing over. As Jumkie (I believe) has said on many occasions, displacement is just an arbitrary number.

The quantity of motogp participants would certainly double or triple if displacement restrictions were banished. Plus all kinds of weird companies would participate, like Mazda or maybe even Cosworth.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 22 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As Jumkie (I believe) has said on many occasions, displacement is just an arbitrary number.

The quantity of motogp participants would certainly double or triple if displacement restrictions were banished. Plus all kinds of weird companies would participate, like Mazda or maybe even Cosworth.
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Speaking of which, WTF happened to Ilmore?
 

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