Rossi fears engine restrictions will hurt MotoGP

And he's absolutely right - what is this - some kind of sports socialism - the manufacturers compete primarily to increase sales - the most successful have the biggest sales leverage = the most money to spend on R&D & Marketing - including racing.

Now DORNA wants to limit the spending power - 6 engines for 18 races at this level is plain stupid and like Rossi says will lead to riders conserving engines - less risks, less thrills, limited practice & quali laps. Even on a street bike - a crash can kill the engine - bike on side - throttle slides open and no oil for 2 out of 4 cylinders - 20 seconds is all it takes.

We need something simpler - like restrict electronic TC, bring down the cost of a single engine, but don't restrict the number available. Get the emphasis back on Rider & Bike - not who has the latest (3rd party) electronics

theyre doing everything they can to make it boring! rossi is right!

a field of just 17 is not enough! i guess 20 would be ok!

it is THE 2wheel series of the planet and they restrict the numer of engines??? who wants to see them going around the track always afraid of slipping? or waiting in the pit?

this way itll be more like chess! more tactics! is THIS what we want to see???

personally i want to see the MotoGP with a completely new prepared starting grid each race! with perfect conditions for eveyone! not a rossi that can go 80 per cent speed cause his engine might blow so he has to secure 3rd place and a stoner who had a blown up engine last time so now he has a new one and easily takes the win!

it simply will bore the fans!!!

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hopefully theyll see their mistakes before they finally blow the whole series!

If Rossi gives his salary back to Yamaha so they can afford to rebuild his engine every race, I might be willing to listen.

Engine life rules are beneficial to the fans in the long run, and I hope they continue to push forward. The spectacle has already been ruined by the 800s (and the piss poor technical regulations), what further damage to the sport is Rossi worried about?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Dec 4 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rossi gives his salary back to Yamaha so they can afford to rebuild his engine every race, I might be willing to listen.

Engine life rules are beneficial to the fans in the long run, and I hope they continue to push forward. The spectacle has already been ruined by the 800s (and the piss poor technical regulations), what further damage to the sport is Rossi worried about?


Who says Rossi is worried about the sport? It's his image he's most concern about.

bedtime shinya! bedtime! quick! brush that tooth!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Dec 4 2009, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who says Rossi is worried about the sport? It's his image he's most concern about.

Very nice, you one upped me.

Fears about his own image and the results he can obtain must be his primary concern.

It's clear - Lexicon & Shinya just don't get it - under these proposed rules it doesn't matter if all<u></u> the riders race for nothing - the number of engines stays at 6 - the teams will not be allowed to build or spend on more. this threatens to be a season just like nascar where a good consistent sready finish 3, 4 or even sometimes 5 could be the way to world champ rather than winning 1 or 2 and the dnf or back of the pack from engine failure or deterioration in the next one or two.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Dec 4 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IT Could be a total snore-feest.
especially if one team has there motor sorted better than the other teams.
that team could just ride away at the front.
while other teams come to terms with sorting there motor out for speed and durability ?

maybe race one 2010. a team spends fri/sat/sun/ sorting everything for the race and lets say they have a engine failure

they will be penalised for that failure & it could compromise there whole season having only 5 motors left to complete the whole season.

or lets say at the end of the season a engine failure might cost a rider/team A title.
a waste of time and effort for the whole year if this happened.to the rider/team

these rules could totally fook up the whole season.after one race .ok unlikely.but u never know

i can see some right dummy throwing over this rule.

I'm sorry, I'm confused. Are trying to describe the 2007 season, the 2008 season, or the 2009 season?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Dec 4 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2010 all the way Lex.it could be a dire Spectacle.nxt yr

I was under the impression it has been a dire spectacle for 3 years.

I don't seewhy it's such a big deal, happened in F1 before and it didn't change much, there will be fewer engine failures in race day and the occasional starting from the back of the grid which actually will be entertaining to watch.

IMO Rossi is complaining because with the new engines Yamaha has been left behind by Honda and Ducati in terms of power and he is worried about his sorry ... not the spectators.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Dec 4 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't seewhy it's such a big deal, happened in F1 before and it didn't change much, there will be fewer engine failures in race day and the occasional starting from the back of the grid which actually will be entertaining to watch.

IMO Rossi is complaining because with the new engines Yamaha has been left behind by Honda and Ducati in terms of power and he is worried about his sorry ... not the spectators.
Just one more reason to go to Ducati!!!

It is hard to believe that someone who is for the 1000cc ....... motogp bikes can be against the limited engine rule. I am for it. The big dollar factories can spend their massive budgets on engines tweaked to the point where they are done after 500kms whereas the smaller ones can not which makes it an uneven playing field. I drive more than 1000 kms to work in a week. My car has 200 000 kms on it and it still runs fine. This rule is what I call a field leveler and it gets to the heart of the problem wherein the team with the most money will likely win. Yamaha has huge dough so they win because they can buy the best guy and build and rebuild the best bike unrestricted while the small budget teams faulter due only to lack of funds. For sure it is a no brainer that any series that allows this to happen is finished. Would you play a game against a team that had money to buy the cup every year? You may try to beat Goliath for a while but shortly you'd decide to spend your time elsewhere. Think of it as a cap. Every major team sport in the world has a cap on spending. Factories not able to match unlimited spending will just stop trying to win and then exit stage right.

I take Rossi's point on the wipe-out situation. He is dead on. You should be able, under technical supervision, to make sure the engine is not full of gravel after an accident and if it is cleared then returned to race ready status. This has to be clarified. This recently happened to Suzuki. Suzuki for gods sake. Holding on by their fingernails and some ....... tells them they can't open the engine after a wipeout to make sure it is track worthy. ......... This is motorcycle racing and wipeouts are part of the sport.

Other than that I don't expect Rossi or any other champion to give an advantage away without a damn good fight. Anyone who has spent any time in a game on the field would agree. You live for the advantage and it is up to the ref to see that everything is fair.

And as a final point I don't want 25 bikes on the field just to have 7 more backmarkers. I want everyone to have a good chance. It is an extremely hard to construct the formula that would see every team have a shot but at least they are trying. Make a decision, let it stand to see if it works, rethink, try something better...that is life.

Its an absolute pipe dream to think that these rules will magically even out the field. The guys at the front will be the same as before,bank on it.So what if 5-20 is only 20 seconds behind instead of 30.I have said it a million times and will keep saying it, I DONT CARE IF SOMEONE CLEARS OFF AND DESTROYS THE FIELD, it just means they worked harder and did what they had to do to win.Yamaha wins simply because they have great riders and are commited. They certainly cant out spend Honda,yet they still kick their ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Dec 5 2009, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its an absolute pipe dream to think that these rules will magically even out the field. The guys at the front will be the same as before,bank on it.So what if 5-20 is only 20 seconds behind instead of 30.I have said it a million times and will keep saying it, I DONT CARE IF SOMEONE CLEARS OFF AND DESTROYS THE FIELD, it just means they worked harder and did what they had to do to win.Yamaha wins simply because they have great riders and are commited. They certainly cant out spend Honda,yet they still kick their ....

Nobody cares as long as talent is the cause of a boring race. When the machines make things boring people get pissed off b/c it always boils down to development budget. Development budgets = money = business. We don't tune in to watch a repeat of Monday-Friday.

As weird as it sounds, I actually think that the sport makes no sense what-so-ever b/c it doesn't relate to business of creativity and diversification. The manufacturers have huge engine portfolios that consist of singles, twins, triples, and fours of all kinds and they have air-cooled and water-cooled and two stroke etc etc etc. Each engine is designed for some kind of special purpose. Profit margins, simplicity, reliability, power, weight, tractability.

In MotoGP they are basically trying to build the perfect engine They want a cheap, high performance, fuel efficient, lightweight, highly tractable, and super reliable engine. If that was an efficient use of company resources, they would have built one perfect engine from the beginning. Instead, the manufacturers have developed many different engines to solve the constantly changing demands of the industry and its customers. They also have to diversify to avoid damage from governmental regulations

The GPC need to start thinking outside the box, or they are going to kill the sport. All eggs in one basket isn't working and it doesn't do the competitors any good.

If the series has been ruined it is soley because of unlimited electronics not the move to 800cc. The biggest reason that anyone looks back at this year with disappointment is that Rossi had no competition without Stoner so the championship was 100% predictable. If Stoner was healthy it would have been one of the greatest years ever and the chatter about bikes would be almost non existent.

It will be interesting to see what a return to 990cc will bring. 260 hp will be easy to hit. 360km on the straight will be common.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Dec 7 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the series has been ruined it is soley because of unlimited electronics not the move to 800cc. The biggest reason that anyone looks back at this year with disappointment is that Rossi had no competition without Stoner so the championship was 100% predictable. If Stoner was healthy it would have been one of the greatest years ever and the chatter about bikes would be almost non existent.

It will be interesting to see what a return to 990cc will bring. 260 hp will be easy to hit. 360km on the straight will be common.

Do you really think they are going to write rules that allow the bikes to hit 360km per hour?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Dec 4 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't seewhy it's such a big deal, happened in F1 before and it didn't change much, there will be fewer engine failures in race day and the occasional starting from the back of the grid which actually will be entertaining to watch.

IMO Rossi is complaining because with the new engines Yamaha has been left behind by Honda and Ducati in terms of power and he is worried about his sorry ... not the spectators.


"I don't see why it's such a big deal, happened in F1 before and it didn't change much"

You're right it was boring and stayed boring - is that what you want to see happen to MotoGP?
Oh and btw "sorry ..." has won how many World Championships? - maybe you think that someone at the top of their sport shouldn't express an opinion or be concerned about the future of MotoGP - howabout a handicapping system to give the back markers a chance to run at the front - what are you somekind of commie?