Rossi all time Champoin?

When Rossi wins world championship this year he will be the only winner in the Moto GP. 1000cc after being the last winner of the 500 GP

Does anyone knows why they're chaging the rules and downgrade to 800cc? The gap (and ridingstyle) between will be smaller to the 250cc.

the downsize of the engine size from 990cc to 800cc is supposedly taking place due to concern about rider safety at such high speeds etc. etc. ... but with all the new technology and electronics it is more than likely that the new 800cc machines will be just as fast as the 990cc's.

ive heard some conspiracy theorists say that the change was made with Honda in mind .... them having the most money, would be benifited by the change whilst other manufacturers will be scraping the bottom of the barrel..... theres alot of crap floating around, but the change was intially enforced with safety in mind.

i think .... haha correct me if im wrong fellas

The main reason it was done was to slow down the bikes.
In reality these bikes are actually going to have faster corner speeds. Have a higher RPM. (Which in turn may lead to highsides ala 500cc)
With modern technnology I wouldn't be surprised if they are faster than the 990cc by the end of the season if not before!

There are other "hidden reasons" people conspire to say the changes were made. Some say it is an easier transition for those coming from 250cc. Others say it is because Honda wanted them to.

In reality I believe Dorna and their safety concern. As weak as the point they make may be I believe that. All those other theories are poop.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ Oct 8 2006, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the downsize of the engine size from 990cc to 800cc is supposedly taking place due to concern about rider safety at such high speeds etc. etc. ... but with all the new technology and electronics it is more than likely that the new 800cc machines will be just as fast as the 990cc's.

ive heard some conspiracy theorists say that the change was made with Honda in mind .... them having the most money, would be benifited by the change whilst other manufacturers will be scraping the bottom of the barrel..... theres alot of crap floating around, but the change was intially enforced with safety in mind.

i think .... haha correct me if im wrong fellas
i heard it was honda who pushed for this a couple of seasons ago when rossi moved to yamaha ,i also heard that honda had built an 800 alread so had a head start on the other manifactures. companys race bikes so they can sell bikes,what i dont understand is how an 800 is a commersialy viable bike to build. to say its a safty issue,ummm not sure about that.mabe be slower on the straights,but i doubt it,but they say it should be faster in the corners. dont see many crashes on the straights.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 8 2006, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i heard it was honda who pushed for this a couple of seasons ago when rossi moved to yamaha ,i also heard that honda had built an 800 alread so had a head start on the other manifactures. companys race bikes so they can sell bikes,what i dont understand is how an 800 is a commersialy viable bike to build. to say its a safty issue,ummm not sure about that.mabe be slower on the straights,but i doubt it,but they say it should be faster in the corners. dont see many crashes on the straights.
I don’t know about the rest of this world, but here in the states “Bigger = Better” is the way we are all branded. So I like the idea of 800’s too prove this wrong.
Honda sells a ton of CBR’s because Nicky, Dani, and Marco have won races, but what dose a RC211 have in common with a 600/1000RR. Nothing but looks, and most consumers know this. This will not hurt production of anything we can buy, only help.





No, I wouldn’t say Vale is the all time Champ. You can’t prove it, but what he has done is set a VERY HIGH standard that as of right now a very few have shown they have the ability to challenge.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xB Rida @ Oct 8 2006, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The main reason it was done was to slow down the bikes.
In reality these bikes are actually going to have faster corner speeds. Have a higher RPM. (Which in turn may lead to highsides ala 500cc)
With modern technnology I wouldn't be surprised if they are faster than the 990cc by the end of the season if not before!

There are other "hidden reasons" people conspire to say the changes were made. Some say it is an easier transition for those coming from 250cc. Others say it is because Honda wanted them to.

In reality I believe Dorna and their safety concern. As weak as the point they make may be I believe that. All those other theories are poop.
I think what they should have done is made bikes run treaded tires, non carbon brakes, and wheels that weigh more. That would slow them down!!

Its true but then it wouldn't be the leading edge of motorcycle motorsport. That would be taking steps backwards.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xB Rida @ Oct 10 2006, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its true but then it wouldn't be the leading edge of motorcycle motorsport. That would be taking steps backwards.
Good point, but remember what they did to slow down F1?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Oct 10 2006, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good point, but remember what they did to slow down F1?
fnone is good example of what not to do. i don't think, or should i say, i hope that motogp won't look to this snooze fest of a an motorsport as an example.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Oct 10 2006, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think what they should have done is made bikes run treaded tires, non carbon brakes, and wheels that weigh more. That would slow them down!!Slow them down enough that WSB lap times are faster, riders would never allow it. Leave all those bad 'heavy' things to the classic racers. Lighter, faster, sharper, smaller is what it's all about.

Cars? Thats a different sport, like golf vs. swimming.

or lawn bowls vs. freestyle MX

They could have just limited the amount of gears you could have eg 4 instead of 6 that would have made the manufacturers look for torque instead of power.

Or bring back the 500s.

Yes, they could but then it wouldn't be a very smart thing to do. Last time I saw 4 gears ona car or a bike was on those muscle car monsters in the 60's!

4 gears could theoretically work out but it would be poop. I mean it coooouuuld......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Oct 10 2006, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t know about the rest of this world, but here in the states “Bigger = Better” is the way we are all branded. So I like the idea of 800’s too prove this wrong.
Honda sells a ton of CBR’s because Nicky, Dani, and Marco have won races, but what dose a RC211 have in common with a 600/1000RR. Nothing but looks, and most consumers know this. This will not hurt production of anything we can buy, only help.

No, I wouldn’t say Vale is the all time Champ. You can’t prove it, but what he has done is set a VERY HIGH standard that as of right now a very few have shown they have the ability to challenge.
I think what they should have done is made bikes run treaded tires, non carbon brakes, and wheels that weigh more. That would slow them down!!
thats called WSB aint it ?

I think your right Roger. MotoGP is the "tip of the sword" as far as technology goes, High-tech Prototype racing, and WSBK is control tyres, bikes that are basically the same spec. Limits the technology, but allows manufacturers to "race on sunday, sell on monday"

IMO the only thing that separates motogp and SBK is the 60-70 HP differance. All this prototype bull crap is there so that the Motogp camp can feel special. I recall one of the Eurosport commentators who had been given a chance to see all the insides of the bikes including the engine, said that everyone was expecting to see all these space age, high tech parts, but there was none of that, its just a normal performance bike.

Things aren't always what they seem. GP bikes couldn't lap as fast as they do if they were just souped up superbikes. There's a lot more to it than that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 13 2006, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Things aren't always what they seem. GP bikes couldn't lap as fast as they do if they were just souped up superbikes. There's a lot more to it than that.
yeah your right richo. its the small differences that make all the difference,to the layman a bike is much the same as any other bike but delv deeper.
of course there proto types, ive never seen carbon discs pnewmatic valves slipper clutches launch control ect ect on and road production bikes, and these are just a few things that we the public no about,dont think mr honda or yam are going to tell all there secrets.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 13 2006, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Things aren't always what they seem. GP bikes couldn't lap as fast as they do if they were just souped up superbikes. There's a lot more to it than that.

Yes Of course there are things like ceramic brakes, electronics on the bike and in the paddack and advanced parts that make the differance. But all Im saying is SBK's are limited for a reason, there only roughly 3 seconds slower around a track and when you think about it thats not much, Especially when it lacks so many key parts. I just think its wrong for people to neglect the SBK scene and label the bike's as light motogp replica's like what some of the manufacturer's are doing.

Roger-m, There are now slipper clutches on superbikes.

Its going to be really interesting to see what the 800cc ducati's will look like when there released. And if Honda, Kawa, YamaRossi follow trend and how it would effect SBK's if aftermarket parts become available

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Oct 13 2006, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Of course there are things like ceramic brakes, electronics on the bike and in the paddack and advanced parts that make the differance. But all Im saying is SBK's are limited for a reason, there only roughly 3 seconds slower around a track and when you think about it thats not much, Especially when it lacks so many key parts. I just think its wrong for people to neglect the SBK scene and label the bike's as light motogp replica's like what some of the manufacturer's are doing.

Roger-m, There are now slipper clutches on superbikes.

Its going to be really interesting to see what the 800cc ducati's will look like when there released. And if Honda, Kawa, YamaRossi follow trend and how it would effect SBK's if aftermarket parts become available
3 seconds a lap is an atternety in bike racing and to get 60-70hp more from a similar size engine thats already at the pinical of engine tuning is an awsome feat imo. im not knocking wsb i just think motogp is in a different league, when colin edwards came over and rode and crashed the cube he said "fking hell this bike makes my 2 times world championship winning bike feel like a girls bike" sez it all ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Oct 13 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Of course there are things like ceramic brakes, electronics on the bike and in the paddack and advanced parts that make the differance. But all Im saying is SBK's are limited for a reason, there only roughly 3 seconds slower around a track and when you think about it thats not much, Especially when it lacks so many key parts. I just think its wrong for people to neglect the SBK scene and label the bike's as light motogp replica's like what some of the manufacturer's are doing.

Dude, I agree with you, I love superbike racing, and I belive it deserves more popularity than it gets. Control tyres and bikes that are basically the same spec makes for awsome, close racing. But with that comes dumbed-down technical rules. It's not a bad thing at all, it makes the sport more affordable for teams, and gives plenty of action to the fans. But in the technoligy department, a MotoGP bike is in a different leauge. At the end of the day, they're both great to watch.