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Rookie Rule??

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Can someone clear up what is considered a rookie in MOTOGP? Is it someone that has had a seat for a whole season? So if Takahashi somehow made it back into MGP would he still be considered a rookie?

Where I'm going with this is Ben Spies. He has taken to the track with in MOTOGP and even scored a few points. Obviously it's a long shot but would he still be considered a rookie?

Is the reason for the rookie rule to help satelite teams be a little more competitive?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can someone clear up what is considered a rookie in MOTOGP? Is it someone that has had a seat for a whole season? So if Takahashi somehow made it back into MGP would he still be considered a rookie?

Where I'm going with this is Ben Spies. He has taken to the track with in MOTOGP and even scored a few points. Obviously it's a long shot but would he still be considered a rookie?

Is the reason for the rookie rule to help satelite teams be a little more competitive?
i dont think you could be considered a rookie if you have ridden more than a wild card ride in a season, but this is a dorna rule so who ....... knows ???
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Good question Sack. I think the rule is one full season. (maybe, not sure). Ask Babel, he knows everything.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 10 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good question Sack. I think the rule is one full season. (maybe, not sure). Ask Babel, he knows everything.
i doubt they could say one "full" season because imagine if a rider sat out a race due to injury, he is not then considered a rookie the following season is he .
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This is probably the stupidest rule in motorsports history. Rookie Rule....wtf man. Dorna are a bunch of clowns, even the FIA are having a laugh at them at this stupid rule.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is the reason for the rookie rule to help satelite teams be a little more competitive?

The reason why I stated this is because people would like to see Spies at Tech 3 with full factory support. And this is perfectly legal?? What the hell is the reason for the rookie rule if you can have them on factory equipment anyway?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The reason why I stated this is because people would like to see Spies at Tech 3 with full factory support. And this is perfectly legal?? What the hell is the reason for the rookie rule if you can have them on factory equipment anyway?
thats a very good point sacky. Another ill concieved ruled thought up by the dorna tards , doomed to fail and then the epid 180 the following season. this is going to be un-policeible.
 
It's not a Dorna Rule, It's an IRTA rule and was proposed and lobbied for by Herve Poncheral who is the IRTA rep in the GP Commission.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 10 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's not a Dorna Rule, It's an IRTA rule and was proposed and lobbied for by Herve Poncheral who is the IRTA rep in the GP Commission.

What's your point
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What the hell is the reason for the rookie rule if you can have them on factory equipment anyway?
Exactly, why bother if a team could find a way around it. My only guess is Dorna doesn't care about the machinery, it's more they want to "distribute" the popular riders to privateer teams so those teams can pick up sponsorship money.

I remember an interview with J. Burgess right after Simoncelli announced he was going to Gresini. Burgess said Simoncelli had "signed with Honda", insinuating that he had signed more or less to be with the factory Honda more so then Gresini per se. Especially given Gresini already has a factory spec bike that could very well be around next year for Sic to ride.

The rule still makes no sense with the likes of Suzuki having no satellite team so therefore being immune to the rule.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jul 10 2009, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, why bother if a team could find a way around it. My only guess is Dorna doesn't care about the machinery, it's more they want to "distribute" the popular riders to privateer teams so those teams can pick up sponsorship money.

I remember an interview with J. Burgess right after Simoncelli announced he was going to Gresini. Burgess said Simoncelli had "signed with Honda", insinuating that he had signed more or less to be with the factory Honda more so then Gresini per se. Especially given Gresini already has a factory spec bike that could very well be around next year for Sic to ride.

The rule still makes no sense with the likes of Suzuki having no satellite team so therefore being immune to the rule.

so a factory team (suzuki) that has no satellite teams can have rookie riders ??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 10 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so a factory team (suzuki) that has no satellite teams can have rookie riders ??

Hmm good question... that wouldnt be fair to a rider that lets say hypothetically suzuki wants but nobody else does...he would never get on the team right?
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All of this really begs the question Sack brought up in the first place, is there really a rookie rule and if so what are the details of it? Anyone have an official source?
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From my understanding, and it is very basic a rookie is a rider who has not been entered by a team as an official team rider during a previous year.

In essence, Spies rode an extra bike in guest rides (ie. wildcard) and/or covered for an injured rider and therefore would be considered a rookie, whereas Takahashi and Talmacsi are on officially entered bikes and the named rider on those bikes.

Could well be wrong, but I believe that Spies still qualifies as a rookie under that rule






Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 10 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From my understanding, and it is very basic a rookie is a rider who has not been entered by a team as an official team rider during a previous year.

In essence, Spies rode an extra bike in guest rides (ie. wildcard) and/or covered for an injured rider and therefore would be considered a rookie, whereas Takahashi and Talmacsi are on officially entered bikes and the named rider on those bikes.

Could well be wrong, but I believe that Spies still qualifies as a rookie under that rule






Garry
Talmasci might technically be a "guest" rider and now an "injury"(yeah, right) replacement. Otherwise that's how I understand the rule. Pretty sure Suzuki is exempt as well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 10 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talmasci might technically be a "guest" rider and now an "injury"(yeah, right) replacement. Otherwise that's how I understand the rule. Pretty sure Suzuki is exempt as well.


True, my understanding is that Suzuki are exempt because they do not run a satellite team.

As for Talmacsi, they created a second bike for him and entered him as an official Team Scot rider from my understanding, but yes he may be able to squeeze around it.






Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 11 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, my understanding is that Suzuki are exempt because they do not run a satellite team.
If this is the case the rookie rule is even stupider than I thought. Seriously, who comes up with these rules? The muppets running this whole show are a joke.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The reason why I stated this is because people would like to see Spies at Tech 3 with full factory support. And this is perfectly legal?? What the hell is the reason for the rookie rule if you can have them on factory equipment anyway?

The point of the rule is to distribute more factory equipment to satellite teams while helping the satellite teams attract sponsors.

Gresini signed Simoncelli. As a result Gresini will have at least 1 "factory" bike next season. In theory, Simoncelli should help the Gresini team find sponsorship money to run next season.

GP MUST MAINTAIN AT LEAST 17 BIKES TO BE A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES.

Dorna is probably subsidizing quite a few of the bikes on the grid. The rookie rule is certainly an IRTA/Dorna collaboration because 2 votes are all Dorna needs to change the rules since it has the ability to cast the tiebreaker.

The rookie rule should create more factory equipment, it should bring sponsor money to the satellite teams, and it will hopefully remove satellite teams from the Dorna dole.

The rookie rule is thoroughly ridiculous, but people don't seem to realize exactly how thin the ice is underneath Dorna's feet. MotoGP is one minor financial hiccup away from losing world championship status. Hard to believe that nearly 1/3 of the entrants have vanished in only a half decade.

Whacky rules like the rookie rule and the elimination of practice time show desperation on Dorna's part. With each additional whacky rule, I think we are getting closer to the 990s again.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 10 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gresini signed Simoncelli. As a result Gresini will have at least 1 "factory" bike next season. In theory, Simoncelli should help the Gresini team find sponsorship money to run next season.

Doesn't Gresini already have a factory bike this season that Elias rides?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 10 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't Gresini already have a factory bike this season that Elias rides?

Suppoosedly..... but then again I doubt HRC is willing to give them everything that is available at their disposal. Can you imagine a factory Honda losing to a satellite Honda team?? Ain't gonna happen, Gresini is only getting the backing they are to save Honda's face from further embarrassment.
 

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