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Roger Edmondson strikes again

povol

povol

Joined Feb 2007
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http://superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090320b.htm

Can you believe this .....Rumor has it this ... clown was insistant on running his D Sport Bike and SS instead of Superbike at a world event.Obviously the Flaminni Bros didnt want club raciing at their venue either. GODDAMITT,I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS MICKEY MOUSE .....AND YES IM ....... SCREAMING!!!!!!!
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I read that, then came here to see if you guys had seen it.

That rumor is kind of what I figured happened. These people are screwing up our sport.
 
Tom, and how is the AMA even comparable to BSB? Hell, even with the idiots at Dorna running the show, they don't have their head's up their ..... like Roger Edmondson and the asswholes at DMG.

Wonder when Laguna gets cut from the schedule? If Roger the ....... (not the British Roger who makes his home on this forum, but the American Roger, who has taken steps to eliminate motorcycle racing from the USA) can pull his series out of one World Championship, who is to think he won't do it again.

And all this is not over money, but getting his ....... way. If I was the head of Suzuki North America or Yamaha or any factory that has some form of money or involvement with the AMA in any form (motocross, SuperMoto, road racing, flat track), I'd pull every effort out of the series right now. So what if it costs millions of dollars to do so, if Roger can cost himself a few million for not holding a race in Salt Lake City to get his ....... way, why not a competitor?

I can see Spies talking to Mladin on the phone right now.

"Hey, I can get you a ride out of the US with a Yamaha team right now if you want? Might have to take a pay cut, but at least you'll be racing in a legitimate racing series."


And MMP was supposed to be Noodles first action in AMA racing too, IIRC. Well, if Roger keeps this up, the only race track he will be running is at Daytona.
 
I just bought my tickets for Miller. Although I am mostly looking forward to seeing WSBK and WSS, I was also looking forward to seeing some AMA racing, contrived or not. This is a serious let down, and I would guess they won't drop the ticket price even though there will be less entertainment now.
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Very upset with DMG. I too was looking forward to Miller and they just killed half the event. ARROGANCE!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 21 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very upset with DMG. I too was looking forward to Miller and they just killed half the event. ARROGANCE!
Someone on another board brought up a good point.We assumed that DMG had contracts with the tracks but obviously that is not the case.They are letters of intent which leads to the next scenario.With Edmondson being 0 for life in negotiating deals since the DMG reared its ugly head and know negotiating from posistion of weakness,how many other venues might get cancelled before Roger realizes that his product dont sell.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 21 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very upset with DMG. I too was looking forward to Miller and they just killed half the event. ARROGANCE!

Whats it going to take for you to see the light.You vote with your voice and your wallet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 21 2009, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whats it going to take for you to see the light.You vote with your voice and your wallet.
Dude, Johnny makes some good points and I agree with most of them. The changes DMG have made are not all bad and I respect his opinion. HOWEVER, this cancellation can only be interpreted as a big FU to the FANS! There really is NO other explanation! It seems to me that he (Roger Edmudd) as NO regard for the fans who have made plans with the understanding that AMA would be there as a support to the big show. His PRIDE trumps the very people supporting motorcycle racing!

(I'm addicted to racing and I will continue to go despited some very troubling aspects of DMG's AMA. )
 
Yeah I am extremely disappointed that I will not be racing there. As it stands now we are doing infineon and laguna still and maybe the Kansas one to get more exposure. Right now we are just gonna play it by ear but I will be crushed if they cancel laguna.
 
I have been trying to maintain a positive wait and see attitude about DMG. Despite a number
of changes that I thought were questionable I was willing to still give it a chance.
I think that Edmonson has a vision othat he has boldly not deviated from. I can respect
that because the AMA was unwilling to change and he was willing to implement sweeping
changes even amongst fierce opposition. The problem is the choices that he is making
and continues to make are done without any explanation to the riders and the fans.
There is no transparency. He needs to come clean for his vision of the AMA future.
This decision needs to be explained. Did he do this for the health and improvement of the
series or was it based on ego.
If a good explanation is not offered soon than I am going to assume it was the latter and
how can I continue to support that.
 
wow... what a true clown mud is. if they end up canceling laguna does that mean that the 125s & 250s will come? because if that would be the case , which i'm sure it would be, .... muds product. 125s & 250s at laguna ooooohhhhh yeah!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 21 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem is the choices that he is making
and continues to make are done without any explanation to the riders and the fans.
There is no transparency. He needs to come clean for his vision of the AMA future.
This decision needs to be explained. Did he do this for the health and improvement of the
series or was it based on ego.
If a good explanation is not offered soon than I am going to assume it was the latter and
how can I continue to support that.



He has zero plans! He was hosed from the AMA quite some years ago. Now he is back with a vengence. Pretty soon, all he will have is a name and no bikes to race.


This is my take on North American motorcycle racing.

The MIC, the manufactures and the aftermarket should do this. Create a news series that includes Canada, USA, south & central America. Race on only the best tracks in each areas. Call it the Americas Motorcyle Race series. By doing this they could, gain more promoters, sponsers & more factory support from the added regions to strenghten the sport. Structure the series similar to WSBK.





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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Mar 21 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is my take on North American motorcycle racing.

The MIC, the manufactures and the aftermarket should do this. Create a news series that includes Canada, USA, south & central America. Race on only the best tracks in each areas. Call it the Americas Motorcyle Race series. By doing this they could, gain more promoters, sponsers & more factory support from the added regions to strenghten the sport. Structure the series similar to WSBK.





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i like this idea!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 21 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If a good explanation is not offered soon than I am going to assume it was the latter and
how can I continue to support that.

I had some very goo conversations with riders and mechanics. Most guarded but I got some good stuff. I'm headed out to Fontana again, but when I get back I will give you more details regarding the vibe among insiders (at least what I can muscle/manipulate them to reveal). Stay tuned. BTW, I put up a video of yesterday's activities in Fontana thread, check it out brotha.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 21 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is no transparency. He needs to come clean for his vision of the AMA future.
This decision needs to be explained. Did he do this for the health and improvement of the
series or was it based on ego.
If a good explanation is not offered soon than I am going to assume it was the latter and
how can I continue to support that.

Same with me.

Whenever someone has a vision, collateral damage is inevitable. There WILL be a transition period when new parties are trying to negotiate an operating agreement. I appreciate that Edmonson has a vision and a successful past in the moto business, but the recent lack of transparency is bothering me.

At the beginning of the season Edmondson said he would bring three things to the AMA: 1. Reduced cost 2. Safety 3. Equipment parity.

All of these things were achieved or almost achieved when the AMA/DMG ratified the new rules package.

What he is working on now is completely beyond me. Transparency in this instance may not be possible; especially if they are bickering over money. However, now that the 3 most important things in his vision have been accomplished (or nearly) he needs to let everyone know what the hell he is doing.

Because of the sappy sentiments DMG and Miller exchanged in the press release, I imagine the negotiations were pretty cut throat. I'm sure DMG wanted a bigger cut of the sales and Miller believed that most of the crowd would show up whether the AMA was there or not.

Obviously, Edmondson can't afford to give freebies or play second-fiddle to a world series when he needs bid money from the venues to strengthen the sport and hire permanent professional race-management personnel. If Miller didn't want to pay, Edmondson had to walk. He can't do freebies anymore.

Also, a lot of the riders and fans (myself included) have been whining about the performance. Did anyone notice that Mladin's superpole lap was only .3 off of the outright AMA lap record set by Ben Spies in 2006? Ben ran a 1'22.9, Mat ran a 1'23.2.

BTW, DMG need to work to bring an event to Texas World Speedway. We produce good talent but we get no events
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TWS has a 2.9 mile road circuit with a PI-esque layout. The place needs some work, but it has so many configs it could be run multiple times.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 21 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Same with me.

Whenever someone has a vision, collateral damage is inevitable. There WILL be a transition period when new parties are trying to negotiate an operating agreement. I appreciate that Edmonson has a vision and a successful past in the moto business, but the recent lack of transparency is bothering me.

At the beginning of the season Edmondson said he would bring three things to the AMA: 1. Reduced cost 2. Safety 3. Equipment parity.

All of these things were achieved or almost achieved when the AMA/DMG ratified the new rules package.

What he is working on now is completely beyond me. Transparency in this instance may not be possible; especially if they are bickering over money. However, now that the 3 most important things in his vision have been accomplished (or nearly) he needs to let everyone know what the hell he is doing.

Because of the sappy sentiments DMG and Miller exchanged in the press release, I imagine the negotiations were pretty cut throat. I'm sure DMG wanted a bigger cut of the sales and Miller believed that most of the crowd would show up whether the AMA was there or not.

Obviously, Edmondson can't afford to give freebies or play second-fiddle to a world series when he needs bid money from the venues to strengthen the sport and hire permanent professional race-management personnel. If Miller didn't want to pay, Edmondson had to walk. He can't do freebies anymore.

Also, a lot of the riders and fans (myself included) have been whining about the performance. Did anyone notice that Mladin's superpole lap was only .3 off of the outright AMA lap record set by Ben Spies in 2006? Ben ran a 1'22.9, Mat ran a 1'23.2.

BTW, DMG need to work to bring an event to Texas World Speedway. We produce good talent but we get no events
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TWS has a 2.9 mile road circuit with a PI-esque layout. The place needs some work, but it has so many configs it could be run multiple times.
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Keep in mind these things when comparing times.The track has been changed for safety,but at the same time it got faster.They took a kink out of the back straight that had a dip which caused tank slappers and was a contributing factor in a riders death,Jumkies friend i think. It is now a straight shot between those corners . In other words,WOT instead of letting off for a kink and then fighting a fidgety front end out of the dip. Second,the race is being run one month earlier than last year and track temps are way cooler.I have no idea what all that is worth but DMG's premier class is still over 3 seconds down on a faster track to last years Supersport.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 21 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Keep in mind these things when comparing times.The track has been changed for safety,but at the same time it got faster.They took a kink out of the back straight that had a dip which caused tank slappers and was a contributing factor in a riders death,Jumkies friend i think. It is now a straight shot between those corners . In other words,WOT instead of letting off for a kink and then fighting a fidgety front end out of the dip. Second,the race is being run one month earlier than last year and track temps are way cooler.I have no idea what all that is worth but DMG's premier class is still over 3 seconds down on a faster track to last years Supersport.

Yeah, I completely forgot they changed the layout.

Anyway, good news bad news.

Good news: AMA primetime is listed as an HD broadcast on Speed.
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Bad news: AMA primetime is currently listed as a 1 hour program.
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Ugh, the teething process is going to be painful.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 21 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I completely forgot they changed the layout.

Anyway, good news bad news.

Good news: AMA primetime is listed as an HD broadcast on Speed.
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Bad news: AMA primetime is currently listed as a 1 hour program.
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Ugh, the teething process is going to be painful.
For the first time in years it would appear that we can't get any AMA coverage on this side of the Atlantic (unless you count supercross lites). We normally get your Speed transmissons on Sky Sports Xtra, or Motors TV, often by live feed. Obviously that wouldn't be possible anymore, but it seems no one is even showing the highlights. We used to get all the Superbike, F.Xtreme, and Supersport races. We also used to get the Australian Superbikes on Motors which is the only reason I know who the likes of Glen Allerton, Shawn Giles, Jason O'Hallerhon and of course Jamie Stauffer are. (It was funny to be watching Eastern Creek again after all these years). I suppose those highlights are gone as well.
 
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif Roger. What an absolute embarrassment. I understand it's a business first and Roger is in a position where he needs to demonstrate strength but this is how the game works, the domestic series plays second fiddle to the world championship series. Even if the domestic series is run by the almighty NASCAR. This is the kick in the pants for me, this is him giving a finger not only to the fans, but to the sport. He is abandoning the hierarchy that has been set in place for at least two decades. I won't get into the Jamie Hacking issue as I'm sure it has its own dedicated thread, but if not rest assured I'll be back here breathing fire.
 

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