<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 5 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exceptions exist like MRNGWhat is MRNG fish?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 5 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I say is that I don't underestimate the importance of the mental part but assume the 15 best riders in the world (give or take a few) master this game pretty well. Hence little variation from race to race, extra boosters like rain or home ground not included. Thats why I think there must be other variables in it, deciding the result.It's a great topic you've started here fish, one we could debate all year. I don't disagree with a single word you say. Let me explain myself a little bit more clearly, looking at the rider, the 90% or thereabouts that I've claimed, and specifically the top 15 riders in the world as an example. Yes these guys must master their own minds, have their own method of sampling every feature of the racetrack and processing that information to come up with a good plan for the entire lap, thats given. So what about mistakes, how do they happen? Does the plan break down? I think not, it's more likely one of two things. The guy has changed something to make a pass but miscalculated OR he has allowed himself to be distracted. In other words, he's no longer in the zone. Let's assume he has the best tyres, the fastest bike or even JB as crew chief. He is without doubt the best guy in the world at giving feedback to his team but in that instant, that single mistake cost a position or a win. Mistakes happen between the ears.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 5 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking persentages is quite meaningless but a 10/90 between mental and all other factors seems way above to me. The way I translate that is that anyone with right state of mind could take a GP victory on Honda Cub or at least a Fire Blade. Another thing is that there must be surrondings influencing the riders state of mind, and many of those factors are among the points mentioned.
When have you ever seen a Honda Cub or Fireblade line up on the start grid of a GP? Fish we must assume were talking about GP riders on GP bikes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 5 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking persentages is quite meaningless but a 10/90 between mental and all other factors seems way above to me. The way I translate that is that anyone with right state of mind could take a GP victory on Honda Cub or at least a Fire Blade. Another thing is that there must be surrondings influencing the riders state of mind, and many of those factors are among the points mentioned.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 5 2007, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the 90% / 10% or 80% / 20% ratio of rider vs. equipment, etc. holds true, does that mean Rossi could win on a Suzuki, a Kawasaki, a Tech 3 Yamaha, a Konica Minolta Honda, a Team KR, or an Ilmor?
The ratio might've been 80%/20% once, but I think it's been dropping since the 4-strokes came in and as the electronics, etc. start to take over. More like 60% / 40% now.Could Rossi, Stoner or Pedrosa win on an Ilmor? No, it's a stupid question. It's obvious that what Schwantz means by 90% between the ears is when you take the top 5 or so guys, on pretty evenly matched bikes, the guys with their heads sorted will come out on top. Rossi vs Edwards, Stoner vs Capirossi, Pedrosa vs Hayden, Elias vs Melandri as prime examples.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 5 2007, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe it revolves around the possibility of the rider having a decent crap before the race.
Try going fast without one!
The ratio might've been 80%/20% once, but I think it's been dropping since the 4-strokes came in and as the electronics, etc. start to take over. More like 60% / 40% now.Could Rossi, Stoner or Pedrosa win on an Ilmor? No, it's a stupid question. It's obvious that what Schwantz means by 90% between the ears is when you take the top 5 or so guys, on pretty evenly matched bikes, the guys with their heads sorted will come out on top. Rossi vs Edwards, Stoner vs Capirossi, Pedrosa vs Hayden, Elias vs Melandri as prime examples.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 5 2007, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe it revolves around the possibility of the rider having a decent crap before the race.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 6 2007, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Skid I'm dissappointed.
Triple posting from a mod.
Good posts though!
..... gimme a chance to get some coffee
Triple posting from a mod.
Good posts though!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jun 6 2007, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For me, it depends on how much beer I have on a Saturday evening, and how many bananas I can eat on a Sunday morning!
What you mean burky?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 6 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What you mean burky?
My performance on a Sunday!!!!!
My performance on a Sunday!!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 6 2007, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is MRNG fish?
Marco Random Number Generator.
Like pulling raffle tickets from a tombola.
It means he doesn't have a position he 'usually' finishes in.
Marco Random Number Generator.
Like pulling raffle tickets from a tombola.
It means he doesn't have a position he 'usually' finishes in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jun 6 2007, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My performance on a Sunday!!!!!
Screw bananas, bacon butties
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 6 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Marco Random Number Generator.
Like pulling raffle tickets from a tombola.
It means he doesn't have a position he 'usually' finishes in.cheers rg
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 6 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Marco Random Number Generator.
Like pulling raffle tickets from a tombola.
It means he doesn't have a position he 'usually' finishes in.cheers rg
I think we may be a little too hard on the riders. Given that motogp finishes are so close, the difference between coming first and second is almost nothing when it comes to measuring the time difference.
A slip of the wrist or foot, can afford to more time loss. For example, If a rider finishes 27 seconds (in a 45 min race) behind the winner, he still rode to within 1% of the winner.
As an illustration, that 27 seconds would be the difference between Rossi and Hoffman (who finished 11th!) in what some thought was a boring Muguello race. They rode to within 1% of each other, with 9 riders in between, for 23 laps.
A slip of the wrist or foot, can afford to more time loss. For example, If a rider finishes 27 seconds (in a 45 min race) behind the winner, he still rode to within 1% of the winner.
As an illustration, that 27 seconds would be the difference between Rossi and Hoffman (who finished 11th!) in what some thought was a boring Muguello race. They rode to within 1% of each other, with 9 riders in between, for 23 laps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 6 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes these guys must master their own minds, have their own method of sampling every feature of the racetrack and processing that information to come up with a good plan for the entire lap, thats given. So what about mistakes, how do they happen? Does the plan break down? I think not, it's more likely one of two things. The guy has changed something to make a pass but miscalculated OR he has allowed himself to be distracted. In other words, he's no longer in the zone.
Let me use another excample. Stoner. No way it's just his head that is in the right palce. Everything clicked together. A fresh start (new bike, team, tires) a fantastic front tire, a different bike, the fastest straightline bike. All these elements give him a mental restart, and when it also matches him as a rider and person, he get into the zone for the first time since he entered motoGP. Yes it's mental but that mental state are decided by a number of factors from the outside. Similar to Hayden the other way around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Let's assume he has the best tyres, the fastest bike or even JB as crew chief. He is without doubt the best guy in the world at giving feedback to his team but in that instant, that single mistake cost a position or a win. Mistakes happen between the ears.
Hey, lets not make this another Rossi thing ;-)
Talking about mistakes. I saw this WRC program series at discovery about Subaru. The team chief said that "I fully accept that by not having a competetive car we (Subaru) force a driver of such a cometetive nature (as Petter Solberg) to drive on the limit and sometimes above his and the cars capabaility."
Do you accept that the same happen in motorbike racing?
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When have you ever seen a Honda Cub or Fireblade line up on the start grid of a GP? Fish we must assume were talking about GP riders on GP bikes.
Ok, a far stretch I agree, on the other hand, who knows what is faster, Ilmore or a Blade
Let me use another excample. Stoner. No way it's just his head that is in the right palce. Everything clicked together. A fresh start (new bike, team, tires) a fantastic front tire, a different bike, the fastest straightline bike. All these elements give him a mental restart, and when it also matches him as a rider and person, he get into the zone for the first time since he entered motoGP. Yes it's mental but that mental state are decided by a number of factors from the outside. Similar to Hayden the other way around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Let's assume he has the best tyres, the fastest bike or even JB as crew chief. He is without doubt the best guy in the world at giving feedback to his team but in that instant, that single mistake cost a position or a win. Mistakes happen between the ears.
Hey, lets not make this another Rossi thing ;-)
Talking about mistakes. I saw this WRC program series at discovery about Subaru. The team chief said that "I fully accept that by not having a competetive car we (Subaru) force a driver of such a cometetive nature (as Petter Solberg) to drive on the limit and sometimes above his and the cars capabaility."
Do you accept that the same happen in motorbike racing?
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Ok, a far stretch I agree, on the other hand, who knows what is faster, Ilmore or a Blade
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drumfu @ Jun 6 2007, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm curious as to where you get a 60/40 ratio from?
Well, Livio Suppo thinks the ratio is 50/50, but I agree with general principle that the rider is the most important factor in the equation (just not as much as other people!), so I settled for 60/40...
Well, Livio Suppo thinks the ratio is 50/50, but I agree with general principle that the rider is the most important factor in the equation (just not as much as other people!), so I settled for 60/40...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jun 6 2007, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I completely agree that equipment and the right electronics will make or break a season. For me the best example of the 80/20 is team mates. Across different manufacturers there are examples of crap rider, good rider. If the equipment is essentially the same for each team mate, then what is the separating factor?
Of course there are those who say that even team mates don't have equal equipment. I can't remember who, but on a thread a couple of months back, someone said that Edwards didn't get any parts updates for his bike until Portugal last year. Melandri was complaining last year that Rossi got special treatment from Michelin. And depending on your point of view in 2006 Hayden either had the best bike on the grid, or it was a test bed of ......
But, on the provisio that, somewhere on the grid, there are team mates who have essentially the same equipment, obviously the rider has to be the separating factor.
Of course there are those who say that even team mates don't have equal equipment. I can't remember who, but on a thread a couple of months back, someone said that Edwards didn't get any parts updates for his bike until Portugal last year. Melandri was complaining last year that Rossi got special treatment from Michelin. And depending on your point of view in 2006 Hayden either had the best bike on the grid, or it was a test bed of ......
But, on the provisio that, somewhere on the grid, there are team mates who have essentially the same equipment, obviously the rider has to be the separating factor.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 6 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could Rossi, Stoner or Pedrosa win on an Ilmor? No, it's a stupid question. It's obvious that what Schwantz means by 90% between the ears is when you take the top 5 or so guys, on pretty evenly matched bikes, the guys with their heads sorted will come out on top. Rossi vs Edwards, Stoner vs Capirossi, Pedrosa vs Hayden, Elias vs Melandri as prime examples.
There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people.
Schwantz's comment in this context is absolutely correct. It's a no brainer, really. If you say the bikes are evenly matched then obviously the rider has to be the determining factor.
But that's not how you applied it in your main argument.
There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people.
Schwantz's comment in this context is absolutely correct. It's a no brainer, really. If you say the bikes are evenly matched then obviously the rider has to be the determining factor.
But that's not how you applied it in your main argument.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 6 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me use another excample. Stoner. No way it's just his head that is in the right palce. Everything clicked together. A fresh start (new bike, team, tires) a fantastic front tire, a different bike, the fastest straightline bike. What about Loris then? How come he can’t get on it this year when he obviously got on extremely well with the GP7 in the post-race test at Brno last year? Is there something different about Loris’ bike? He’s saying now that he thinks it’s the over aggressive power delivery and Ducati have built a bespoke engine just for him, which I really hope works. But at the start of the season, what was the difference between the two Ducatis? I say he just can’t get his head around it and finds it hard to change his approach to suit the new bike as it evolves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 6 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking about mistakes. I saw this WRC program series at discovery about Subaru. The team chief said that "I fully accept that by not having a competetive car we (Subaru) force a driver of such a cometetive nature (as Petter Solberg) to drive on the limit and sometimes above his and the cars capabaility."
Do you accept that the same happen in motorbike racing?For sure, some guys are famous for it. I'm thinking Hopper, Checa, McWilliams. It must be hard for those guys, knowing what they can do, but not having the tools to do it.
In the list you put up earlier in the thread, every item item has to be working 100%...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 4 2007, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suggest keeping wet races out of it and major fuckups, like blown engines and unridable tires.Take all of that out of it, the blown engines, the scrap tyre, poor chassis and all you've got left is the rider. I agree with your 10% rider/90% everything else. If any of these factors are sub par then you're screwed. On the other hand if all these factors are performing as well as they possibly can, then it's down to the rider, who else. However I don't agree that even at the top of the sport in motoGP, that any of the top 15 riders in the world can just tap into that zone at will, if that was the case then Loris and Casey should be evenly matched as should Elias and Melandri, that's not happening so how else do you explain it? It's between the ears man!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 7 2007, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people.Ok Sun but you gotta admit...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 5 2007, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>does that mean Rossi could win on a Suzuki, a Kawasaki, a Tech 3 Yamaha, a Konica Minolta Honda, a Team KR, or an Ilmor?is a silly question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 6 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking about mistakes. I saw this WRC program series at discovery about Subaru. The team chief said that "I fully accept that by not having a competetive car we (Subaru) force a driver of such a cometetive nature (as Petter Solberg) to drive on the limit and sometimes above his and the cars capabaility."
Do you accept that the same happen in motorbike racing?For sure, some guys are famous for it. I'm thinking Hopper, Checa, McWilliams. It must be hard for those guys, knowing what they can do, but not having the tools to do it.
In the list you put up earlier in the thread, every item item has to be working 100%...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 4 2007, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suggest keeping wet races out of it and major fuckups, like blown engines and unridable tires.Take all of that out of it, the blown engines, the scrap tyre, poor chassis and all you've got left is the rider. I agree with your 10% rider/90% everything else. If any of these factors are sub par then you're screwed. On the other hand if all these factors are performing as well as they possibly can, then it's down to the rider, who else. However I don't agree that even at the top of the sport in motoGP, that any of the top 15 riders in the world can just tap into that zone at will, if that was the case then Loris and Casey should be evenly matched as should Elias and Melandri, that's not happening so how else do you explain it? It's between the ears man!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 7 2007, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people.Ok Sun but you gotta admit...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 5 2007, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>does that mean Rossi could win on a Suzuki, a Kawasaki, a Tech 3 Yamaha, a Konica Minolta Honda, a Team KR, or an Ilmor?is a silly question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jun 5 2007, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the 90% / 10% or 80% / 20% ratio of rider vs. equipment, etc. holds true, does that mean Rossi could win on a Suzuki, a Kawasaki, a Tech 3 Yamaha, a Konica Minolta Honda, a Team KR, or an Ilmor?
The ratio might've been 80%/20% once, but I think it's been dropping since the 4-strokes came in and as the electronics, etc. start to take over. More like 60% / 40% now.
rossi could win on anything with 2 wheels. he just put you in his zone and pass you up. they said the yamaha was an inferior bike he gave yamaha 2 championships. on a crapy ride. do the math he is the man to beat allways. anytime anyplace.
The ratio might've been 80%/20% once, but I think it's been dropping since the 4-strokes came in and as the electronics, etc. start to take over. More like 60% / 40% now.
rossi could win on anything with 2 wheels. he just put you in his zone and pass you up. they said the yamaha was an inferior bike he gave yamaha 2 championships. on a crapy ride. do the math he is the man to beat allways. anytime anyplace.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 7 2007, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about Loris then? How come he can’t get on it this year when he obviously got on extremely well with the GP7 in the post-race test at Brno last year? Is there something different about Loris’ bike? He’s saying now that he thinks it’s the over aggressive power delivery and Ducati have built a bespoke engine just for him, which I really hope works. But at the start of the season, what was the difference between the two Ducatis? I say he just can’t get his head around it and finds it hard to change his approach to suit the new bike as it evolves.
Just like hayden, the new bike is not good for him. Add his newborn and you have a fresh start for him too, just that nothing clicked together. I suspect that a large part is his motivation, but it's just guesses.
But for sure if the whole works for one guy, it doesn't mean it work for others. Is whitham the Eurosport commentator for SBK? Heard the guy had a try on Hagas Yamaha, and he said it was copletly uridable for a normal deadly guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In the list you put up earlier in the thread, every item item has to be working 100%...Take all of that out of it, the blown engines, the scrap tyre, poor chassis and all you've got left is the rider.
Naw, there are a few others:
- engine power
- suspension
Then those that the rider, team and supplier make desitions about like
- Mapping
- Setup
- Tire choice
All these factor play a very important role for a successfull race. As someone mentioned above 1% make a huge difference and no setup or mapping is 100%, they are allways compromizes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I agree with your 10% rider/90% everything else. If any of these factors are sub par then you're screwed. On the other hand if all these factors are performing as well as they possibly can, then it's down to the rider, who else. However I don't agree that even at the top of the sport in motoGP, that any of the top 15 riders in the world can just tap into that zone at will, if that was the case then Loris and Casey should be evenly matched as should Elias and Melandri, that's not happening so how else do you explain it? It's between the ears man!
No youre right about that, very few of them can get into the zone at will. But most of them can if the surrondings click into place. A lot to ask for and even then there are differences that will separate a winner from the best of the loosers. I think Capirossi is an interesting case and I bet a few factors "unklicked" after last season. The new bike, the pregnancy/the kid, his thoughts of retirement, and probably other unknown factors are working against him. But I also think he has problems adapting. Could it be that Stoner has a remarkable throttle control that Capirossi doesn't?
I don't know I just know that so many factors play a role here. To just say a rider is .... is simplyfied.
Just like hayden, the new bike is not good for him. Add his newborn and you have a fresh start for him too, just that nothing clicked together. I suspect that a large part is his motivation, but it's just guesses.
But for sure if the whole works for one guy, it doesn't mean it work for others. Is whitham the Eurosport commentator for SBK? Heard the guy had a try on Hagas Yamaha, and he said it was copletly uridable for a normal deadly guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In the list you put up earlier in the thread, every item item has to be working 100%...Take all of that out of it, the blown engines, the scrap tyre, poor chassis and all you've got left is the rider.
Naw, there are a few others:
- engine power
- suspension
Then those that the rider, team and supplier make desitions about like
- Mapping
- Setup
- Tire choice
All these factor play a very important role for a successfull race. As someone mentioned above 1% make a huge difference and no setup or mapping is 100%, they are allways compromizes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I agree with your 10% rider/90% everything else. If any of these factors are sub par then you're screwed. On the other hand if all these factors are performing as well as they possibly can, then it's down to the rider, who else. However I don't agree that even at the top of the sport in motoGP, that any of the top 15 riders in the world can just tap into that zone at will, if that was the case then Loris and Casey should be evenly matched as should Elias and Melandri, that's not happening so how else do you explain it? It's between the ears man!
No youre right about that, very few of them can get into the zone at will. But most of them can if the surrondings click into place. A lot to ask for and even then there are differences that will separate a winner from the best of the loosers. I think Capirossi is an interesting case and I bet a few factors "unklicked" after last season. The new bike, the pregnancy/the kid, his thoughts of retirement, and probably other unknown factors are working against him. But I also think he has problems adapting. Could it be that Stoner has a remarkable throttle control that Capirossi doesn't?
I don't know I just know that so many factors play a role here. To just say a rider is .... is simplyfied.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just like hayden, the new bike is not good for him.I would have said he is not good for the new bike. But both are true.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is whitham the Eurosport commentator for SBK? Heard the guy had a try on Hagas Yamaha, and he said it was copletly uridable for a normal deadly guy.yeah Jamie Witham is the guy, thank god Witham's there to stop Jack Burnicle talking ...... I actually heard Witham talking about getting a spin on Haga's R1, was that a couple of weeks ago? Anyway does it bear any relevance to the situation we're talking about? Melandri doesn't have to ride Elias' bike and vice versa so I don't think it does. Stoner's crew set up his bike so he can get the best feeling from it and like I said earlier, Loris is having a special engine built for him becuase he doesn't like the feeling with the current one. Witham just jumped on Haga's bike, remember it was in his capacity as a journo/commentator, of course it's not going to be set up the way he likes it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Naw, there are a few others:
- engine power
- suspension
Then those that the rider, team and supplier make desitions about like
- Mapping
- Setup
- Tire choice
All these factor play a very important role for a successfull race. As someone mentioned above 1% make a huge difference and no setup or mapping is 100%, they are allways compromizes.And each of the aspects you mention, engine power, suspensiom, ignition mapping, tires, chassis set-up etc etc, all have many many variables of their own. And one tiny variable can fail or be miscalculated and it becomes 100% of the picture because it will mean an engine failure, destroyed tyre or poor handling or something else that becomes the determining factor in the outcome of that race for that rider. What's between his ears that day didn't matter. It makes your initial question so very hard to answer, impossible to put plausible percentages on every technical variable. On the day they've got to be right and in most cases I'd say they are.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know I just know that so many factors play a role here. To just say a rider is .... is simplyfied.None of these guys are ...., right down to the very last guy these guys would scare you to death if you were lucky enough to get out on a track with them, different level to anything you can imagine. It is quite funny though, that we can sit here, dissecting the mental/technical aspect of motogp and take ourselves almost seriously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is whitham the Eurosport commentator for SBK? Heard the guy had a try on Hagas Yamaha, and he said it was copletly uridable for a normal deadly guy.yeah Jamie Witham is the guy, thank god Witham's there to stop Jack Burnicle talking ...... I actually heard Witham talking about getting a spin on Haga's R1, was that a couple of weeks ago? Anyway does it bear any relevance to the situation we're talking about? Melandri doesn't have to ride Elias' bike and vice versa so I don't think it does. Stoner's crew set up his bike so he can get the best feeling from it and like I said earlier, Loris is having a special engine built for him becuase he doesn't like the feeling with the current one. Witham just jumped on Haga's bike, remember it was in his capacity as a journo/commentator, of course it's not going to be set up the way he likes it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Naw, there are a few others:
- engine power
- suspension
Then those that the rider, team and supplier make desitions about like
- Mapping
- Setup
- Tire choice
All these factor play a very important role for a successfull race. As someone mentioned above 1% make a huge difference and no setup or mapping is 100%, they are allways compromizes.And each of the aspects you mention, engine power, suspensiom, ignition mapping, tires, chassis set-up etc etc, all have many many variables of their own. And one tiny variable can fail or be miscalculated and it becomes 100% of the picture because it will mean an engine failure, destroyed tyre or poor handling or something else that becomes the determining factor in the outcome of that race for that rider. What's between his ears that day didn't matter. It makes your initial question so very hard to answer, impossible to put plausible percentages on every technical variable. On the day they've got to be right and in most cases I'd say they are.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 7 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know I just know that so many factors play a role here. To just say a rider is .... is simplyfied.None of these guys are ...., right down to the very last guy these guys would scare you to death if you were lucky enough to get out on a track with them, different level to anything you can imagine. It is quite funny though, that we can sit here, dissecting the mental/technical aspect of motogp and take ourselves almost seriously.
