Repsol Honda

Reports from Dani and Dovi following Sepang test 2 are very conflicting. Dani is saying that the chassis and suspension are not even close to right and Dovi is saying they are pretty good, not perfect but pretty good. Dovi is also saying they have made adjustment to accommodate his positioning on the bike.

This makes me think that Dovi is getting some or alot of development input and that the Honda is not just being designed for Dani. This would be a massive shift for Repsol and could have all sorts of implications for example are they preparing for normal size riders next year? Are they showing that they can run 2 top riders and give them equal treatment? Or are they just fed up with Dani's lack of results?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Dovizioso+after+Sepang

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Pedrosa+after+Sepang

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reports from Dani and Dovi following Sepang test 2 are very conflicting. Dani is saying that the chassis and suspension are not even close to right and Dovi is saying they are pretty good, not perfect but pretty good. Dovi is also saying they have made adjustment to accommodate his positioning on the bike.

This makes me think that Dovi is getting some or alot of development input and that the Honda is not just being designed for Dani. This would be a massive shift for Repsol and could have all sorts of implications for example are they preparing for normal size riders next year? Are they showing that they can run 2 top riders and give them equal treatment? Or are they just fed up with Dani's lack of results?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Dovizioso+after+Sepang

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Pedrosa+after+Sepang

Hopefully fed up with pIUg!

preparing for a stoner bidding war?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 2 2010, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>preparing for a stoner bidding war?

Was wondering that myself.

Be interesting to see how they treat each rider this year may give an incite as to whether there's any truth in that rumour.

At 7th and 8th on the Sepang timesheets they're not likely to draw a lot of positive attention, are they?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 2 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was wondering that myself.

Be interesting to see how they treat each rider this year may give an incite as to whether there's any truth in that rumour.

Stoner will stay at Ducati.
I don't think Honda could pay him enough money to go back.
Ducati have made too much noise about how good he is, and how important to keep him, but it will certainly Ducati a big pay rise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 1 2010, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner will stay at Ducati.
I don't think Honda could pay him enough money to go back.
Ducati have made too much noise about how good he is, and how important to keep him, but it will certainly Ducati a big pay rise.

Ducati are committed to Stoner, but Marlboro is not.

Arrivabene (Marlboro Europe) went on a one man crusade against Stoner when Stoner was having his health issues. During the same time lots of other baggage emerged about Marlboro's overall discontent with Stoner b/c he isn't concerned with his marketability and he doesn't do enough appearances for Marlboro's liking.

Ducati are probably very dedicated to Stoner, Domenicali and Preziosi most of all, but Marlboro pay the bills.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 2 2010, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner will stay at Ducati.
I don't think Honda could pay him enough money to go back.
Ducati have made too much noise about how good he is, and how important to keep him, but it will certainly Ducati a big pay rise.

Ducati could never afford to pay Stoner or anyone else what they deserve. That's the role of Philip Morris. They have not been kind to Stoner in my opinion. It will be interesting to see if they'll change their tune at seasons end.


...., I posted before reading your response Lex, you beat me to it.

7 posts in and all discussion of Honda, Dani or Dovi gone and it is all about Stoner and Ducati!!

I wasn't really looking for who is going to ride for them I was more interested in whether my interpretation of the riders feedback is correct and that Dani no longer is the only rider that Repsol Honda are behind. I think that they know that Dovi has the goods and he underperformed last year because he got no support or development input. I also think it shows a shift in their design philosophy and they are preparing for a full size rider next year.

But yeah Stoner is ....... awesome and everyone wants him for 2011!

Maybe Honda are going to bring back the screamer just for Mick ... I mean Stoner!

Honda seems to be making the right moves in putting the ..... years behind and preparing for the future... yet I don't have an incredible amount of faith in them... let's see how Dovi and Dani are doing at summer break!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 2 2010, 06:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda seems to be making the right moves in putting the ..... years behind and preparing for the future... yet I don't have an incredible amount of faith in them... let's see how Dovi and Dani are doing at summer break!


Could make for an interesting season. HRC has thrown it's weight behind Dani for a few seasons and he's not delivered the goods. Not what they are used to at all. Hardly surprising they are losing patience with him. Pedrosa is a master of the fast laps, but he's not a "racer." He's not going to lift the title if he can't start overtaking and mixing it with Stoner, Rossi and Lorenzo. End of.

Be interesting to see how he goes if the focus has shifted to Dovi.

Honda probably do want Stoner for 2011, but I think the focus now has to be to get the title back as soon as, and if Dovi has the better chance then it's natural they will give him the goods.

I just can't see HRC keeping on making mistakes like losing Rossi and keeping putting their faith in Pedrosa.

Pete

I was more thinking if Stoner went Honda, then it would not be Pedrosa who goes, Unless Dovi beats him this year.

Repsol - Spanish ( need a Spanish rider )

But they've had their best years with an Aussie as well,


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 2 2010, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe Honda are going to bring back the screamer just for Mick ... I mean Stoner!


And as everyone knows Stoner is the next Doohan

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 2 2010, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could make for an interesting season. HRC has thrown it's weight behind Dani for a few seasons and he's not delivered the goods. Not what they are used to at all. Hardly surprising they are losing patience with him. Pedrosa is a master of the fast laps, but he's not a "racer." He's not going to lift the title if he can't start overtaking and mixing it with Stoner, Rossi and Lorenzo. End of.

Be interesting to see how he goes if the focus has shifted to Dovi.

Honda probably do want Stoner for 2011, but I think the focus now has to be to get the title back as soon as, and if Dovi has the better chance then it's natural they will give him the goods.

I just can't see HRC keeping on making mistakes like losing Rossi and keeping putting their faith in Pedrosa.

Pete
Honda are on record as saying they would like rossi or stoner, although this was last year before stoner's problems. If he appears to be robust in the early part of this season I would think they will still be keen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7 posts in and all discussion of Honda, Dani or Dovi gone and it is all about Stoner and Ducati!!

I wasn't really looking for who is going to ride for them I was more interested in whether my interpretation of the riders feedback is correct and that Dani no longer is the only rider that Repsol Honda are behind. I think that they know that Dovi has the goods and he underperformed last year because he got no support or development input. I also think it shows a shift in their design philosophy and they are preparing for a full size rider next year.

But yeah Stoner is ....... awesome and everyone wants him for 2011!

Nothing to say about Honda and their miserable lack of progress over the last several seasons. They showed up to a GP race with a supersport bike in 2007, they've been in a tailspin since then.

As far as Dovi's vs. Pedrosa's development input, I'd sooner trust Dovi. Honda have never come close to winning anything in the Pedrosa era. Even the HRC-Hayden trainwreck (known as the Evo) was better suited for GP competition than any rendition of Pedrosa's RC212V. Granted, Honda rarely listen to the riders so Pedrosa can't be blamed entirely.

I used to care about the silly season, but how many times have we gotten our hopes up for nothing? With the exception of Lorenzo, almost all major deals over the last 2 seasons have been a disappointment. If anything, I'm more interested in what direction the bikes will take. I'd like to know whether Honda plan to stick with the 800cc RC212V or try something new. In a perfect world, they would do both. I also want to know if the engine rules will produce a better show.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 2 2010, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was more thinking if Stoner went Honda, then it would not be Pedrosa who goes, Unless Dovi beats him this year.

Repsol - Spanish ( need a Spanish rider )

But they've had their best years with an Aussie as well,





And as everyone knows Stoner is the next Doohan





Stoner the next Doohan?

Lets see.....


Fast? Undoubtedly.

Grumpy Aussie? Oh hell yeah!

You could be on to something here, remember Doohan's outbursts when Criville used him as a tow truck? Not unlike Casey's toys, pram incident at Laguna Seca really was it.

But, did Mick fall off when he looked back and saw someone catching him up? Mick was mentally unbeatable latterly, and for a guy whose ankle was set so it fitted his footrest that was awesome. Personally I think Stoner lets Rossi get under his skin, and that doesn't do him any favours. When someone got under Mick's skin it pissed him off and made him faster. Folks getting too close? get a bike thats harder to ride, (the Screamer) then take another title on it when your No 2 reverts to the Big Bang after binning the Screamer during testing.

I'd like to see Casey on a Honda to see what he can make of it, just as it would be interesting to see Rossi or Lorenzo on the Duke.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 2 2010, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner the next Doohan?

Lets see.....


Fast? Undoubtedly.

Grumpy Aussie? Oh hell yeah!

You could be on to something here, remember Doohan's outbursts when Criville used him as a tow truck? Not unlike Casey's toys, pram incident at Laguna Seca really was it.

But, did Mick fall off when he looked back and saw someone catching him up?

um he may have once or twice.

Ok there's only a few years to go so far but Stoners early years in MGP have surpassed Doohans



And I dread to think how Doohan would have reacted had Criville ridden like a wally, like Rossi's 08 corkscrew mistake.

casey on honda =will be like the old times 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Mar 2 2010, 04:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>casey on honda =will be like the old times 2006

How about the moaner & the groaner - Lorenzo & Stoner at Repsol - Rossi on the Duc and Spies on the Yam - that would be very interesting - hasrdly likely - but I can hope

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 1 2010, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner will stay at Ducati.
I don't think Honda could pay him enough money to go back.
Ducati have made too much noise about how good he is, and how important to keep him, but it will certainly Ducati a big pay rise.

Depends on how Hayden performs, if the new Ducati can be ridden by other riders then things change for them. Honda have a lot of money, I think the problem relays on Repsol (who pays the bills) forcing them to invest in Pedrosa, but they are getting fed up with no results in 4 Seasons (starting 5), which is too much for Honda. Honda will bid for Lorenzo (being Spanish with Repsol's pressure), for Rossi swallowing their pried because they already did so this past year, and for Stoner but knowing that nobody guaranties that Stoner will do as well on a Honda as on a Ducati. Then we have Marlboro paying the bills on Ducati, if Hayden does well enough, then Marlboro will be much happier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7 posts in and all discussion of Honda, Dani or Dovi gone and it is all about Stoner and Ducati!!

Your 'Ego' is the problem, do you see the Red Glasses which affect a lot of members… talk about Boppers!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't really looking for who is going to ride for them I was more interested in whether my interpretation of the riders feedback is correct and that Dani no longer is the only rider that Repsol Honda are behind. I think that they know that Dovi has the goods and he underperformed last year because he got no support or development input. I also think it shows a shift in their design philosophy and they are preparing for a full size rider next year.

Hopefully there is a shift and Honda starts getting more control over who rides for them, stop depending on Sponsors pressure so much and take the decisions in order to get up there again. They could do it with Rossi of course.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But yeah Stoner is ....... awesome and everyone wants him for 2011!

Is it Stoner's Ego or Red Boppers' speaking?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe Honda are going to bring back the screamer just for Mick ... I mean Stoner!

Perhaps Lorenzo… If you read any news from Spanish Forums!