Some concern has cropped up into my mind as to how good the production racer that Honda is offering Scott actually is. As big as he is, he can surely use the extra fuel that the bike offers but I am wondering if he has had any contact with riders who have ridden the bike. Or if Honda has made a path available to him to ease into the full factory ride if he is successful on the production offering. How sweet is Scott's deal? What are his chances of being in the top six points wise? How much horsepower will he be down on the SAT bikes?
Redding's Future On The Production Honda
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In one sense Scott seems a strange choice to be picked as a rider to effectively develop a bike, due to his relative inexperience. Saying that, as a Honda it won't lack for technical support and just look at what the greater Esparago has done with that CRT.
Strange perhaps but a logical choice because of his ability to finish races and pick up points. Honda probably places that factor high on their list of desirable attributes. How high? I don't know however it's got to be one of the things they are looking for in a rider.
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I honestly think the Honda non proto will not be a slouch.
This leasing bikes brings an whole new league to the game,
The proto league
The sat league
And the non proto league.
I reckon the non proto Yam and Honda's will not be slouches.
On Yams side I recently watched a vid with Lin Jarvis talking about the leased engines and Forward Racing talking about wanting to lease two,
However they did not have the time and resources to sort a chassis, so for the first year only they would supply frames and swingarms too.
Lin said with the extra fuel and the new tyre the bike could be a threat to the team riders at certain circuits.
It was probs on mgp.com.
It is sure going to be interesting
I honestly think the Honda non proto will not be a slouch.
This leasing bikes brings an whole new league to the game,
The proto league
The sat league
And the non proto league.
I reckon the non proto Yam and Honda's will not be slouches.
On Yams side I recently watched a vid with Lin Jarvis talking about the leased engines and Forward Racing talking about wanting to lease two,
However they did not have the time and resources to sort a chassis, so for the first year only they would supply frames and swingarms too.
Lin said with the extra fuel and the new tyre the bike could be a threat to the team riders at certain circuits.
It was probs on mgp.com.
It is sure going to be interesting
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I think it is a much better proposition than going to Ducati would have been. The Honda Racer (what should we call that thing) should be solid and Redding can learn a lot working on a new bike. If he stays focussed and doesn't worry too much about his results not being the best in his rookie year I think there will be a spot with HRC soon enough.
Stoner is testing the bike in the next few weeks so I guess Honda will know soon enough how fast the thing can actually go.
Stoner is testing the bike in the next few weeks so I guess Honda will know soon enough how fast the thing can actually go.
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I've heard rumors that it's a 2 year deal with a practically guaranteed prototype ride in the 2nd year. Shame, Bautista is at least a much better rider than Bradl is, despite his dad and Luccio Checinelli having buttsex everytime Bradl does decently (so, twice at Laguna, and that's it)
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You do realize that the Honda PR is upgradeable! For example, the valve train can be pneumatic valves. There are other options available, if someone wants to foot the bill. I remember reading about that when this whole project started. Unless that has all changed, I don't understand why some folks are so worried. Money talks if the teams & sponsors want the goodies. I cant remember where I red the article, but this bit from David Emmett "Kropotkin" should shine some light. Paragraphs 8, 9 & 10.
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/29/motogp_s_new_rules_on_ecus_and_factory_r.html
You do realize that the Honda PR is upgradeable! For example, the valve train can be pneumatic valves. There are other options available, if someone wants to foot the bill. I remember reading about that when this whole project started. Unless that has all changed, I don't understand why some folks are so worried. Money talks if the teams & sponsors want the goodies. I cant remember where I red the article, but this bit from David Emmett "Kropotkin" should shine some light. Paragraphs 8, 9 & 10.
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/29/motogp_s_new_rules_on_ecus_and_factory_r.html
evo9
Informative link thanks evo9
If I am reading correctly then the production racer will have some rule perks that would make it a desirable contract. If Redding rides hard he could challenge the SAT bikes especially if they perform no better than they have this year. Plus he gets to use the spec ECU and find out the strong points before DORNA mandates it for all teams.
Informative link thanks evo9
If I am reading correctly then the production racer will have some rule perks that would make it a desirable contract. If Redding rides hard he could challenge the SAT bikes especially if they perform no better than they have this year. Plus he gets to use the spec ECU and find out the strong points before DORNA mandates it for all teams.
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Depends on what Honda is using the bike for. If it's in anticipation of new rules (current ones only cover up 'til 2014 IIRC) and if Redding gets factory support in that anticipation, then I think he's on a good thing. ECU support, suspension support, etc.
If it's just Gresini getting a better bike than their existing grid-filling nail, then it's up in the air. For all we know Honda could have said "You still want that Sat RCV? Well, make our Proddy version look desirable by buying one"
All I hope is that it's competitive enough for Redding to 1) not fall into the clutches of the ARTs and 2) beat the Ducatis (and what a sad statement 2) is...) and 3) show enough of his talent to be considered for a factory bike when it's contract time.
You would think Honda would put out something with performance just below their Sat bikes, but the performance of the ARTs and Ducatis is something they can't control.
If it's just Gresini getting a better bike than their existing grid-filling nail, then it's up in the air. For all we know Honda could have said "You still want that Sat RCV? Well, make our Proddy version look desirable by buying one"
All I hope is that it's competitive enough for Redding to 1) not fall into the clutches of the ARTs and 2) beat the Ducatis (and what a sad statement 2) is...) and 3) show enough of his talent to be considered for a factory bike when it's contract time.
You would think Honda would put out something with performance just below their Sat bikes, but the performance of the ARTs and Ducatis is something they can't control.
The MSMA are not going to reduce fuel capacity to 20L and then give the CRTs 24L 1000cc-81mm and full prototypes. The competitiveness of the new CRT bikes is dependent upon the negotiations between Dorna and the MSMA about the performance controls for CRT, imo. The next-gen CRTs will be better than the current bikes, but it is difficult to say where they will finish. I think they will be capable of beating Ducati, which makes me wonder how Ducati will proceed.
Redding should do fine, but he does face an uncertain future. Motorcycling has a surplus of emerging talent and a dearth of competitive machines. The engineers continue to sieze more control of the bikes. Redding will probably navigate the perils of MotoGP relatively well considering his talent and passport.
Redding should do fine, but he does face an uncertain future. Motorcycling has a surplus of emerging talent and a dearth of competitive machines. The engineers continue to sieze more control of the bikes. Redding will probably navigate the perils of MotoGP relatively well considering his talent and passport.
But Honda will not want to put out a packaged production that is not competitive with the Yamaha package. Several have reported that the Yamaha deal is going to be the full bore M1 engine. The M1 with 24 liters would be a powerful force on the track. We have witnessed how strong it is when Rossi turns his fuel map up in the latter stages of the most recent races. Surely Honda and Redding are aware of this.
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M1 engine minus factory electrickery equals M1 engine which ain't gonna run with Tech 3 even with the extra 3 litres for a while... How much dosh spent on baselining and tuning the MM electronics is what will distinguish the non-MSMA entries over the short term.
Magneti Marelli has a 4 year contract starting in 2014 to supply a "state of the art ECU" which is fairly long term when compared to DORNA constant jiggling and rules tweaking. Of course we know nothing specific about this device or it's features in detail.
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There is still no one better that Valentino on worn tyres IMO. Rossi has always been strong towards the end of a race - fuel mapping, though of increasing strategic relevance, is still only one part of it.
There is still no one better that Valentino on worn tyres IMO. Rossi has always been strong towards the end of a race - fuel mapping, though of increasing strategic relevance, is still only one part of it.
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I think too many put too much in Redding and his ability. No doubt he has gotten better but how much and against who? He will be a mid packer, maybe top ten. Sure he will be up there towards the upper mid pack a few races but regardless I don't think he has shown anyone anything impressive just yet. I hope he does well, it will be good to see someone like him who doesn't fit the GP mold so to speak being so tall do well. Hopefully we see the lesser bikes become a bit more competitive and we see some varied results for next year. Hopefully Ducati pulls their head out of their collective ..... and gets a bike that is more on par with the front runners. They surly don't have any excuses when it comes to riders.
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Against the second coming according to Yamaha.
Shame he is going to spank his ... now the weight issue has been leveled out.
I cannot stop thinking someone at Yam is saying
"Did we really make the right decision?
This chunky kid is kicking Pols ... and getting inside his head.
And he screwed tsc at silvers last year.
Maybe we fcuked up?
Against the second coming according to Yamaha.
Shame he is going to spank his ... now the weight issue has been leveled out.
I cannot stop thinking someone at Yam is saying
"Did we really make the right decision?
This chunky kid is kicking Pols ... and getting inside his head.
And he screwed tsc at silvers last year.
Maybe we fcuked up?
