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Red Bull Laguna Stoner Video

Amazing footage. You can se the movement in the CF bodywork and the flex in the exhaust. I wonder if the manufacturers use this type of footage in testing or development to see what the different components of the bike are doing.
 
Poetry in motion
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Here's another nice slomo clip of a champ, two wheels too many but the slomo at the end is just awesome to watch



Fangio
 
This was posted on an Oz forum and whilst pure Stoner which will polarise, I say just watch the footage as it is said to be taken at 1000fps.



http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/Red-Bull-Home/HolyShit/011242746208542











Gaz



Verily - he is good, he is fast, and he will hopefully finish 2011 as #1

Just hope he gets/ stays focused on racing - sticks to his on grid attitude - even off the grid

He's obviously getting some PR coaching at last - that is not a sign of weakness - just developing a skillset - keep it up

Doesn't let the Mugello set-up issues continue



His comment about "less overtaking since the riders are more professional is strange" - I thought that is what racing is about
 
Verily - he is good, he is fast, and he will hopefully finish 2011 as #1

Just hope he gets/ stays focused on racing - sticks to his on grid attitude - even off the grid

He's obviously getting some PR coaching at last - that is not a sign of weakness - just developing a skillset - keep it up

Doesn't let the Mugello set-up issues continue



His comment about "less overtaking since the riders are more professional is strange" - I thought that is what racing is about



I don't get it. What is strange about the comment? I'd say he makes a fairly good point, being that the bar has been raised increasingly as far as perfectionism goes (and I think that's something that applies to all sports) and that therefore riders are less prone to riding errors, which in turn makes overtaking harder.



Oh yeah, and f@#$ the PR coaching bull, it's not golf, is it? As far as I am concerned he's doing fine.



EDIT: Now stop your yapping and watch the video again.
 
That video is best seen with no volume. Seriously, take a look again, this time with no sound.
 
That video is best seen with no volume. Seriously, take a look again, this time with no sound.



Agreed. it is so much better without that screechy girl narrating.













And before anyone boners get there painties wadded up. Its a f#@ing joke!
 
I don't get it. What is strange about the comment? I'd say he makes a fairly good point, being that the bar has been raised increasingly as far as perfectionism goes (and I think that's something that applies to all sports) and that therefore riders are less prone to riding errors, which in turn makes overtaking harder.



Oh yeah, and f@#$ the PR coaching bull, it's not golf, is it? As far as I am concerned he's doing fine.



EDIT: Now stop your yapping and watch the video again.



I was referring to his "strange" comment about overtaking being less frequent because of (quote CS) more professionalism. A true Professional racer is somebody who does everything they can to win (cheating and unfairness excluded) including taking justifiable risks and a liberal interpretation of the rules. Racing is by definition dangerous - so let's not introduce hand signals and specified zones or pecking orders for overtaking.



CS is obviously getting some PR coaching and like I said it's not a sign of weakness or a bad thing - so just maybe we agree - presupposing your hate shroud lets you read the words.



So with all due respect put your head back in the cavity where you keep your golf calls and go look for your (golf) balls



Meanwhile - I have been watching the video again - much better without audio
 
I was referring to his "strange" comment about overtaking being less frequent because of (quote CS) more professionalism. A true Professional racer is somebody who does everything they can to win (cheating and unfairness excluded) including taking justifiable risks and a liberal interpretation of the rules. Racing is by definition dangerous - so let's not introduce hand signals and specified zones or pecking orders for overtaking.



What he meant by that (I asked the same question at Assen) was that all forms of sport have become more professional. Look at cyclists from the 70s and now, there's about a 5kg difference for the same body size. Same with rugby players, football players, everything. More training, and more specific training, has made everyone better.
 
What he meant by that (I asked the same question at Assen) was that all forms of sport have become more professional. Look at cyclists from the 70s and now, there's about a 5kg difference for the same body size. Same with rugby players, football players, everything. More training, and more specific training, has made everyone better.



Yes I agree Krop, but shouldn't this then be relative to the past and the competition from the riders, whilst all being similar fitness etc similar.



For me its much more to do with the rubber, and the fuel limit.
 
Yes I agree Krop, but shouldn't this then be relative to the past and the competition from the riders, whilst all being similar fitness etc similar.



For me its much more to do with the rubber, and the fuel limit.



All of these things fold into each other. The bikes are far better, stiffer, more precise. The tires last full race distance, meaning you can ride at 100% all race long. The fuel limits mean that you have nothing extra to correct mistakes. The riders are much, much fitter than they used to be, and have much better skills (more precisely trained and coached) than they used to have. That's progress.
 
For me its much more to do with the rubber, and the fuel limit.



Agreed. No knock on Stoner, but a bit self-serving to say that riders of the present are better than riders of the past, when Stoner himself is presently the king of the mountain and one of the only new age riders. These riders rarely ever make mistakes b/c the bikes are almost perfectly sorted and the Bridgestone tires do not lose a bit of performance over the course of the race. If either of those paradigms were to change, riders would make a lot more mistakes during the races like the riders of old.



The current formula is the biggest contributing factor to races without overtaking, imo. Changing the formula via fuel restrictions or the tires would probably change the sport.
 
The new bikes are so refine that rider mistakes are at a minimal compared to the old bikes where you can clearly see a rider pushing beyond it's limit and seeing the bike wiggle around. Granted 2 wheels will always require precise input or else you're eating the tarmac compared to 4 wheels...... but still, with the advancement of technology, riders input are slowly giving way to mechanical engineering, following the footsteps of Formula 1.





Though I have no problem with it at all, as these are proto-type machines which are suppose to push the envelope of technology.
 
Agreed. No knock on Stoner, but a bit self-serving to say that riders of the present are better than riders of the past, when Stoner himself is presently the king of the mountain and one of the only new age riders.



But we see the same thing happening in every sport, in every branch of athletics, in every team sport, in every format. Even ....... golf, ferchrissakes, which fat middle-aged men used to be able to win, is filling up with younger, fitter kids who actually train. Snooker was the same: 20 years ago, it was all men in the 30s and 40s; now it's young men in the early twenties.



It's just the professionalization of all sports. Every athlete, in every discipline, trains more, trains more scientifically, trains more effectively, than they ever did before. Even Colin Edwards (last of the holdouts) has to work his ... off just to keep up.



It's called progress. There are some morons who think progress is a bad thing. They either become tourist attractions who end up with congenital defects such as dwarfism and an unreliable finger count, or they go live in caves (or well-guarded compounds in the middle of a garrison town) and blow .... up for no good reason. Yes, progress has its downsides, but the balance is always positive.







These riders rarely ever make mistakes b/c the bikes are almost perfectly sorted and the Bridgestone tires do not lose a bit of performance over the course of the race. If either of those paradigms were to change, riders would make a lot more mistakes during the races like the riders of old.



The current formula is the biggest contributing factor to races without overtaking, imo. Changing the formula via fuel restrictions or the tires would probably change the sport.



It would definitely change the sport. It wouldn't change the outcome.
 
But we see the same thing happening in every sport, in every branch of athletics, in every team sport, in every format. Even ....... golf, ferchrissakes, which fat middle-aged men used to be able to win, is filling up with younger, fitter kids who actually train. Snooker was the same: 20 years ago, it was all men in the 30s and 40s; now it's young men in the early twenties.



It's just the professionalization of all sports. Every athlete, in every discipline, trains more, trains more scientifically, trains more effectively, than they ever did before. Even Colin Edwards (last of the holdouts) has to work his ... off just to keep up.



It's called progress. There are some morons who think progress is a bad thing. They either become tourist attractions who end up with congenital defects such as dwarfism and an unreliable finger count, or they go live in caves (or well-guarded compounds in the middle of a garrison town) and blow .... up for no good reason. Yes, progress has its downsides, but the balance is always positive.











It would definitely change the sport. It wouldn't change the outcome.



Thanks for your reply a few posts back to my comment on "strange"



"What he meant by that (I asked the same question at Assen) was that all forms of sport have become more professional. Look at cyclists from the 70s and now, there's about a 5kg difference for the same body size. Same with rugby players, football players, everything. More training, and more specific training, has made everyone better."



I can go along with that.



But I'll differ with you on the above: "It wouldn't change the outcome." - if the changes were made and we got back to more "fighting" for the lead - ImO we'd see a lot more stuff like Laguna 2008, Assen 2006 to name a few of many "past" memorable events
 

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