Question ?

Why doe's rossi sometimes hang a leg off his bike when racing. doe's he cramp. or just a reposition for the pegs?. It dont seem to affect his riding at all. just curious.

I do it some times, when i'm ridding my bike (even thou its max speed is like 110 kph )

but i think it's an equilibrium thing, or it could just be a twitch (i don't know how to spell twitch i guess i should have used tick )

Theres a big thread on this in the general bit from a few months ago - many conspiracy theories going round

Pedrosa does it too sometimes.

Might be a twitch or equilibrium.
Heard Doohan or Schwants commentating one day and they said they would do that if they were rapidly downshifting. They would take their leg out and reposition it back in after doing all the shifts. They said it was easier to get bck to normal riding position like that.

If you notice, they do it when under heavy braking.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xB Rida @ Oct 12 2006, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa does it too sometimes.

Might be a twitch or equilibrium.
Heard Doohan or Schwants commentating one day and they said they would do that if they were rapidly downshifting. They would take their leg out and reposition it back in after doing all the shifts. They said it was easier to get bck to normal riding position like that.

If you notice, they do it when under heavy braking.
+1, it's common in 250's although I've only noticed VR & DP doing it in moto gp, Melandri & Capi don't seem to do it & they were top 250 riders.

Ive heard its just to fine tune balance a little bit

also what kind of conspriacy could it be?? his super secret side brake??

It is tottaly a balance thing. When he does this he is always hard on the front brake. So hard infact that his front forks are almost fully compressed and the front tire will start to go into a series of little slides with traction in between the small lock ups. Well now this creates an interesting problem becuase all of that weight is firmly planted on the front tire and the rear is extremely light. So as you start to bend in to the corner or move closer to the inside of the track the rear tire dosnt want to track properly so you take the inside foot off of the peg to remove the weight so that the rear tire will track properly in a straight line and not disrupt the line you want to take.

Does this clear things up? If not I can give you a more detailed explanation.

Of course, the racer himself clarifies it all for us. Thank you.

You may be right Eagle, although it seems a very rational explanation to sth. that people seems to do instictively.

Mamola asked Pedrosa about it and he couldn't explain why he did that. I've noticed he only does it at a few corners. Even at his tender age it seems that that twitch will stay with him forever.

A lot of guys do it, and most of the time it's involuntary. IMO Eagle, and every rider is different, but it's nothing to do with weight transfer, in fact, a bike will behave better with a little more weight on the rear when you brake real hard. It's a repositioning of the foot on the peg and some guys do it more obviously than others.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ Oct 12 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is tottaly a balance thing. When he does this he is always hard on the front brake. So hard infact that his front forks are almost fully compressed and the front tire will start to go into a series of little slides with traction in between the small lock ups. Well now this creates an interesting problem becuase all of that weight is firmly planted on the front tire and the rear is extremely light. So as you start to bend in to the corner or move closer to the inside of the track the rear tire dosnt want to track properly so you take the inside foot off of the peg to remove the weight so that the rear tire will track properly in a straight line and not disrupt the line you want to take.

Does this clear things up? If not I can give you a more detailed explanation.
NO I need more Input!. could you keep It about an hour. Maybe through In some 3D graphs and contact patch schematics?

I really hate to be arguemenative, and you are correct to a point about weight on the rear to be stable. Think about this however, if you are downshifting and the slipper clutch is engadged the rear wheel is not spinning as fast as the front. This is how guys "back it in." Backing in to conrers however is not the quickest way around a race track and tends to take away from mid-corner speed. If you can keep the tires in line you will have a better chance to keep your corner speed up.

Ok. Now, under heavy braking somtimes the rear breaks loose with the slightest provocation and the rear will break loose to the opposite side of the footrest with the most weight on it. So it would also follow that if the bike is leaned at even 3 or 4 degrees the rear will want to break loose to the outside also. So the idea behind the technique would be to weight the outside footpeg as much as possible and keeping as much weight off of the inside peg as you can. What better way than to take the foot off the peg altogether.

Also I have seen some people do this as a dirt tracker type reaction if they think they are going to lock up the front because they think they can save it with thier foot. I have never seen that work out though.

Oh and i dont know what IMO means

"IMO" means "in my opinion."

You can also see Hopper do this in "Faster and Faster."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ Oct 13 2006, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really hate to be arguemenative, and you are correct to a point about weight on the rear to be stable. Think about this however, if you are downshifting and the slipper clutch is engadged the rear wheel is not spinning as fast as the front. This is how guys "back it in." Backing in to conrers however is not the quickest way around a race track and tends to take away from mid-corner speed. If you can keep the tires in line you will have a better chance to keep your corner speed up.

Ok. Now, under heavy braking somtimes the rear breaks loose with the slightest provocation and the rear will break loose to the opposite side of the footrest with the most weight on it. So it would also follow that if the bike is leaned at even 3 or 4 degrees the rear will want to break loose to the outside also. So the idea behind the technique would be to weight the outside footpeg as much as possible and keeping as much weight off of the inside peg as you can. What better way than to take the foot off the peg altogether.

Also I have seen some people do this as a dirt tracker type reaction if they think they are going to lock up the front because they think they can save it with thier foot. I have never seen that work out though.

Oh and i dont know what IMO means
Man, I don't want to be argumentative either, every racer got his own ideas about how to get a bike to do what he wants. I always tried to shift back on the seat and weight the outside peg when braking hard, it worked for me, in some turns where the back end getting too light was an issue, some rear brake got some of that weight off the front. If your foot needs to move after downshifting for a lefthander so as to get the ball of your foot on the peg for the turn, I guess you move it. If what you do works for you, then it's okay, if your times are good then it's the right thing. This subject was kicked to death here a while back. Good to have another racer here.

Oh yeah, I completely agree that racers do what works for them. I was watching Pedrosa this morning and he definatly dosnt take his foot off the rest to keep the bike in line. He looks like he is repositioning his foot after a shift. As far as what works for me, I never take my feet off the pegs. There is no reason for me to try to keep the bike in line. The guys that beat me week in and week out are going to do so whether I cut down my lap time by 1/2 a second or not. The same way about the guys that I beat week by week. I usually fight with 3 guys on a consistent basis. The key for me is to start off and get to the position that I like to be in whether that is up front or following a couple guys, just running a good pace and not pushing very hard. Then when I feel that the guy in front of me is least expecting a pass, I stuff it on the inside in thier slowest section and then move on. What ever slides I get into I really dont care. As I progress I will probably try to keep stuff nice and tight, but I will worry about that when the time comes.