When this was posted, i wanted to respond immediately but didn't have the time because I wanted to elaborate. So here is my reply, which dovetails nicely to what I want to say on the matter on this thread.
Tell me, Jumkie, why...
Cliff notes: Go choke on donkey cum, you fetid piece of vole smegma.
EDIT: actually, I think the word I am looking for is cloaca. You, sir, are a cloaca: a ..... from which emerges a constant stream of .....
That is a decent article (the link above) and somewhat reasonably hypothesized explanation of what Marquez ‘might’ be experiencing.
A few thoughts: as I read the article my impression was this could be written by any number of insightful and well-argued members here on Powerslide. This article specifically
calls ........ on Nakamoto, a high-profile principal on one of the most visible and respected entries (HRC) in the sport. The author basically calls Nakamoto a f*cking liar. Meanwhile, the author
uses a few quotes from Marc Marquez to formulate his theory about this year’s Honda and the problems the rider is probably experiencing (though he proposes it as fact), in effect rationalizing in favor of Marquez and his duty to ride around problems while at very least not crashing (after all, Pedro was able to complete the race at Mugello). As I said, nothing particularly special, given anyone could do similar.
However, allow me to use this article to present a more interesting subject (at least to me). I can see a scenario were such a seemingly reasonable hypothesis as above, calling ........ on one of the sport’s principals, whereby directly questioning an individual’s integrity,
would be censured (deleted) because it did not fit within the opinions of a moderator (or owner) of a forum or a site dedicated to these discussions (where seemingly an exchange of ideas, hypotheses, rebuttals, including tangents, is the supposed aim of the space). Think this is a bit outlandish, well, it happens all the time on Motomatters and other sites, and it has occurred here on Powerslide too.
It has been debated on several threads and the issue comes up from time to time as to why
Powerslide became a wasteland after many active (and insightful) members left. I’ve read all manner of theories, but few of them have (I think) nailed the main reason for which these members left the site. And that makes sense, since many of those who left are not here to explain their reasons. But allow me to chime in. Some of our most prolific members left in protest
over censorship and zealous secret moderators who overreacted while there was no oversight or recourse to challenge their overreaching. This happened because, like on this thread, there were individuals who took exception to what was being said. In fact, the very thread that ultimately led to the exodus was itself deleted. They (these members) were not banned, but their contributions were censured by deletion on account of some faceless person's sensibilities. When attempts to get an explanation by the moderators, these appeals were ignored, and the owner (Duc) never responded. So these members left. Members who had been on the forum since its beginnings, and members who had built a long-standing relationship with this space, now gone. And some of our best minds to boot, as I consider Arrabiatia1 as insightful as anyone ever, and by far the most eloquent (really, the forum is less because of it).
I suppose we can debate all the particulars, but that is not my aim or the scope of this specific post. My point here is to highlight the unseen depletion of meaningful (and sometimes meaningless) exchanges that occur when whimsical censorship of opinions deemed as divergent are summarily excluded. I do feel compelled to point out the hypocrisy of it, at very least on a philosophical level, which Kropo has engaged in on his site, and by posting here illustrates the two-facedness of this.
In one of these threads where the
glory days of the forum were being lamented and debated,
Kropo declared, “I absolutely do not believe Jum should be banned.” To which I would respond, then why are you willing to ban the contributions of a ‘Jum’ type, which is what your statement here actually should attempt to convey? Kropo here is by far our most important member, the one with the most access and excellent position to particular facts, and frankly a pleasure to read (even his understandable human biases and passions of the sport, which for me are the most entertaining). However, users and discussions on his site with divergent opinions are summarily banned and or censured. I know this because I was banned from his site and know of others who have been censured. The reason I was banned (and I’d be happy to paste here the “offending” post) was for my divergent hypothesis, similar in fact to the author's logic and reasoning of the above article. The author questions the integrity of Nakamoto while arguing in favor of Marquez based on a few sound bites. Had he done the opposite (or in reverse), that is called Marquez a liar and argued in favor of HRC’s principal, I could see Kropo banning such an opinion on his site.
Kropo operates here, as a user would NOT be allowed to operate on his very site!--His personal North Korean/Chinese freedom of expression echo chamber. He comes here and has the freedom to express his opinions, something he would not have his own members do. That is the respect or I should say lack there of, for those that would chime in on the comments section. His comments section becomes a circle jerk because anybody not willing get in line is banned. What then becomes of this supposed discussion? It becomes Kropo’s personal affirmation chamber. No wonder he thinks they’re all “right” and brilliant, he has deleted the "wrong" ones. His recent addition ('Decline of RCV' is a rip off of the above article. He has piggybacked on the link above to further reason that the RCV is a piece of .... and has engine problems, which amazingly is already being echoed here as fact (and practically verbatim).
I’ve met
Kropo, and I found him to be a nice guy and detected a real passion for his craft, he is after all a fan of motorcycle roadracing, just like the rest of us. I sat there for an hour waiting for him with a group (more like ‘groupies’) that spoke of him in rockstar terms. He has earned it frankly, but I also trust my own opinions of the world (even if it pertains to the triviality of motorcycle racing). Regardless of his access, this does not make his ‘opinions’ or perspective infallible. Kropo has called ........ on rider’s themselves, by name, and team principals (here on this very site), yet these people have “access” too, so why are us Powerslide members to be relegated below this standard? Because we haven’t been buzzing around the media and pits? For .... sake, we might get a more honest reading given that once Kropo is around his subjects could easily manipulate the situation to either feed him ........ or feed him .... for dissemination (which I’m sure he has been the victim of more than once). While I have sat in a hotel lobby or airport like some unsuspecting nobody and got more juicy details which frankly I would suspect are more truthful than these 15 minute made for show interviews or off-the-record “facts” some ‘reports’ have massed. I have taken
Kropo to task on OPNIONS he formulates (not his facts), which has caused him discomfort. He just can’t stand somebody formulating an opinion different to his, so he leaves the forum. I don’t see the need to “turn the volume down” (with all do respect to my friend LeviG) as the volume has been fine here for years, and its only Kropo’s latest outburst that prompted the appeal (there is a message here I believe). I’m sure if say Migs had cried about it (which he has often) we’d all just laugh about it, because, well… its Migs, his sensabilities don’t count like Kropos. Not to mention those piling on here, Kesh and MickD who have thrashed members with epic flaming, but here they find the insults “tedious”; I guess flaming is bad unless you’re the one doing it. I don’t need to point out the hypocrisy as its rather obvious, but lets move on. In MickD’s words (which SuperManatee quoted, making an excellent point despite MickD suddenly not understanding why he was quoted or the wisdom of his own words) nobody actually has to engage anybody here, and in fact the site has an “ignore” feature if the member is too stupid to self filter the .... on the Interwebs.
So lets be clear and honest about this specific episode:
Kropo’s issues with me are NOT about insults (we have exchanged a bunch of digs), but rather his disagreement with my takes! (Repeat this last sentence to yourself several times until any confusions is gone). So lets not all get suddenly sensitive because Kropo is crying foul suddenly (while he has hurled insult after insult for quite some time and nobody has had a problem with it until now, as I assume many of you forgot he said he would operate here as a “Stuka” dive bomber, and nobody jumped in to ask him to
“turn down the volume”), as any of you interested can scroll through Kropo’s text and tally up the insults he has hurled (which I have read with amusement, and loved it) and the number of times (zero) I have cried about it. So this is NOT about digs but rather Kropo is unhappy with non-worshippers of ALL his opinions. And BTW, I had said in the past, I think he is 98% of the time right, though now I must reassess it because of his dogged support of Dorna’s sainthood. So the big brouhaha here (and made worse by the polarization that was destined to come from taking sides) is over the opinions I take him to task about. Maybe I should start submitting:
“Yeah Kropos I agree” for the stuff I agree with him, maybe that will massage his (and others) sensitivities.
This forum has worked fine until there have been people trying to nannyK the discussion. The nanny ends up make it worse almost all the time because flame wars start as some are compelled to chime in, and the polarization becomes a riot. In fact, all the major episodes on Powerslide over the years can be traced to someone censuring (secretly or otherwise) or wanting to censure/nanny members. (We are not talking spammers here, kitchen gadget sales people, or somebody posting universally understood .... that is inappropriate.)
Last point for now, as I mentioned above, Kropo’s last ‘opinion piece’, "Decline of RCV" (though some people take it as ‘fact’ piece) was to reason the RCV is a piece of .... (oh I know its said more subtle ways). I laughed for most of it having already read the above article, and could take much of it apart (the logic of it at least, he may or may not be right, which frankly Kropo doesn't "know" either but is merely hypothesizing, albeit using Marquez's press releases as the archetype, not to mention using Crutchlow's crashing to attempt some point...hahaha, because Crutchlow didn't crash literally almost half the events on the Ducati, but whatever). However, that is a discussion for another time. Now I kinda hope Marquez wins Cataluña and many more races, so Kropo, like Dorna can make rationalizations to fit his archetype on the matter.
Tell me, Jumkie, why would I answer any of your questions? You clearly despise me, and all that I believe. You do not believe I know any more than you do, indeed, you seem to believe that I am less well informed than even the most casual race fan. You also spend an inordinate amount of time insulting me in mostly very uninventive ways.
So why would I waste my time answering your qestions? You wouldn't believe my answers anyway.
Cliff notes: Go choke on donkey cum, you fetid piece of vole smegma.
EDIT: actually, I think the word I am looking for is cloaca. You, sir, are a cloaca: a ..... from which emerges a constant stream of .....
I don't despise you (that is a bit melodramatic btw) but I do have different opinions, and like you, have tried to present logical reasons for them. You know, like many of your colleagues do. Remember when everybody knew what was wrong with the Ducati...except Ducati. But of course all that access right? Krops don't be stupid, I don't question your access and position, I know you "know" more than me. Look at it like this, we have many senators who get on TV and tell us what the people should believe, they are afterall in the best position to 'know' what is best for us, right. That doesn't stop me from calling ........, at very best that they are mistaken.
Edit to add: Kropo, the fundamental problem between you and I in regard to our opinions and posts is that you and I have divergent perspectives about MotoGP the entity. On top of the fact you and I come to GP from different angles, you must have access, while I don't need it. So your and my challenges are quite different. Plus I feel (wrong or not) You liken the sport to a foot race run in the Olympics, while I look at it more akin to WWF. I believe the sport has been highjacked, and you believe the sport is on the level (well close to the level at least). So of course you and I are going to disagree. I don't like it to get personal, but somehow it always does. Neither of us can stand to be wrong I guess, and so we feel compelled to let eachother know just how "wrong: we are. What can I tell you man. I'm sorry for offending you. Maybe you can ride ..... on Cruchlow's bike a few events, the inevitable roadrash from crashing will probably help you grow some skin. (That last sentence was meant to be a creative and amusing dig, hope it met your approval).
Anyway, can we be friends? _____yes ______no
Tiananmen Square
(I'll answer your valid questions later).
Great insult btw, i love it. Visually pleasing &Creative.
I'm not sure if many of you are aware, but the Tiananmen Square episode is censured from all Chinese media. Its completely scrubbed out, and many of its people don't even know the event is real or happened. A couple of weeks ago was the anniversary of the event. A reported went to universities in China and showed the iconic picture of the guy standing in front of the tank and asked them if they recognized it. Over 80% did not know what the picture was about. I'll spell out the point I'm trying to make, I'm not in favor of censuring people from knowledge based on someone's ability to scrub what is or is not good for us. I'm sure Kropo has his rationalization and convinced himself for deleting opinions. Even here on this site, there are certain words that cannot be typed in, though I'll put the initials here: RBC. So you see, even all of us here are being censored. And I'm sure a rationalization exist. (And before someone says it, were are not talking about .... like yelling fire in a theatre.)
Yeah, I wish you guys would cool it a bit. I like you both. We can and will talk .... no doubt but there's a point where it's no longer fun and totally counter productive.
Before I'm accused of instigating, I did text Jumkie this morning asking if perhaps we could lower the volume a tad.
Thank you for the concern, I really do appreciate the place from your heart this appeal comes from, but I think Krop and I can work it out, at least that is my genuine hope.
--Migs, you can get somebody to read you this post.
