Qualifying Tires/Tyres

I was wondering what real benefit these qualifying tires provide to racing.

Ok, it allows the rider to go faster for ONE lap. And the rider needs to get everything right on that lap.

But, during the race he has to ride on race tires anyways. So, why not ban these qualifying tires and have riders qualify on race tires ? Atleast, then the lap time will be more reflective of the riders true pace, rather than that one fast lap on the qualifiers.

Your thoughts?

Qualifying would be less exiting, so i'd prefer to keep them.

Qualifying is a race in its self..
Keep them i say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 14 2007, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was wondering what real benefit these qualifying tires provide to racing.

Ok, it allows the rider to go faster for ONE lap. And the rider needs to get everything right on that lap.

But, during the race he has to ride on race tires anyways. So, why not ban these qualifying tires and have riders qualify on race tires ? Atleast, then the lap time will be more reflective of the riders true pace, rather than that one fast lap on the qualifiers.
You're right, of course, qualifying tyres have nothing to do with race set-up, or the tyres used in the race. But if you banned them, then riders would just choosed the softest race compounds available to try and get a good grid position, making them quasi qualifying tyres.

And, like Tom said, the drama is great for the spectators. We like seeing lap records tumble, different riders surging to the top of the time sheet in a hectic battle for pole, and surprising results (like Guintoli getting p4 yesterday in FP2).

Another question might be: should qualifying stay as it is, or revert to Friday and Saturday sessions, or go the Superpole route?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jul 14 2007, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>, or go the Superpole route?

Superpole is awful!

I have no problem with qualifying tyres but I do have a problem with the media carrying on as if the rider who does one fast lap at the end of 4 sessions has peformed so well all weekend when really they may have sucked the whole time up until that one lap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jul 14 2007, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But, during the race he has to ride on race tires anyways. So, why not ban these qualifying tires and have riders qualify on race tires ? Atleast, then the lap time will be more reflective of the riders true pace, rather than that one fast lap on the qualifiers.
I can see where you're coming from: make qualifying closer to race conditions to give a better idea of performance in the race.
Making riders use race tyres for qually wouldn't achieve this though. You'd have a bike on fresh, or scrubbed, race tyres with 3 laps of fuel in the tank going out to qualify. In reality in the race you'll get fresh tyres and a heavy fuel load, or worn tyres and a low fuel load. In all of these conditions the bile will handle very differently.

The choice of tyres is about getting the best performance over the duration of their use. In the race, they have to last 22+ laps. In qually, it's three laps, maybe four. The tyres are just built to purpose.

Qualifying tyres should stay in my book. And MotoGp should stay away from the hellish idea of Superpole.

With the current rules riders only have 2 laps (sets of quali tyres) for the whole hour, which means the first forty mins are usually quite boring.

In 250cc and 125cc they don't have quali tyres, so they use soft race tyres which last a bunch of laps (around 5) so it gives the riders more chances and IMO makes it more interesting.

Superpole is the fairest thing (traffic doesn't affect laptimes) but it's a bit boring IMO.

They could also try the current F1 system, it's quite thriling.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 14 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superpole is awful!
Yep, superpole sux big time. Keep it the way it is, qualifying practice is a great spectacle!

Superpole is a snooze. The only change to q tyres i'd like would be the addition of some sort or banding around the edge, similiar to the white stripe F1 soft tyres or Red stripe Champ car ones.

It makes it much easier for the spectators at the GP and the viewers at home to know who's on what. Moody and Ryder are always fumbling over themselves wondering what tyres a rider has slotted in.

Teomolca said:

With the current rules riders only have 2 laps (sets of quali tyres) for the whole hour, which means the first forty mins are usually quite boring.

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I think that is still the riders ooption. Guintolli definatly had a bunch of them to this race. Rossi had only two and while evryone went out on their third set he waited in the pits.
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In 250cc and 125cc they don't have quali tyres, so they use soft race tyres which last a bunch of laps (around 5) so it gives the riders more chances and IMO makes it more interesting.

Superpole is the fairest thing (traffic doesn't affect laptimes) but it's a bit boring IMO.
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I would actually like it if they just used soft race tires and had a few laps out. As it is now it's to much like superpole but with the traffic.

Well we get to see the riders take it to the max for 1 or 2 laps... thats great entertainment.

I think they should offer an extra championship point for 1st tho.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 15 2007, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that is still the riders ooption. Guintolli definatly had a bunch of them to this race. Rossi had only two and while evryone went out on their third set he waited in the pits.

Guintoli is on Dunlops, the tyre limit rule doesn't apply to Dunlop, only to Michelin and Bridgestone, so Tamada and Guintoli can have as many Q tyres as they want, but the rest only have 2.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jul 15 2007, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guintoli is on Dunlops, the tyre limit rule doesn't apply to Dunlop, only to Michelin and Bridgestone, so Tamada and Guintoli can have as many Q tyres as they want, but the rest only have 2.

that is correct the rules only apply if the tyre manufacturer has won a race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jul 15 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guintoli is on Dunlops, the tyre limit rule doesn't apply to Dunlop, only to Michelin and Bridgestone, so Tamada and Guintoli can have as many Q tyres as they want, but the rest only have 2.

Ah, that explains how he could use so many but are you sure the others only have two according to the regualtions?
It could have been the Dunlop riders tricking me but I had the distinct feeling that others also often had 3 stints with qualifiers.

They can have as many Q tyres as they want, inside the tyre limit, but I think everyone uses 2 because using another quali set compromises your race, because you have one less set for trying setups and race itself.
It's possible someone has used 3 sets, but all the top riders that I have been paying attention to use only 2.