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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 12 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was froze on my couch not wanting to say a thing, sort of one eye on the screen , but double taking to make sure what I was seeing was correct, then to have my damn dvr recording cut off when Nicky made that last lap pass on Dovi....ahh
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How did you keep yourself from throwing a brick at your TV?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 12 2010, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although isn't Qatar a particularly good track for Nicky? Do i recall correctly that he stalked Rossi all race long in 06 and set the fastest lap?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"...this place has been hard on me since we went to 800. I've never really went good here the last couple years." NH
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 11 2010, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone see this quote from Casey

Once I got to the front I started to get into my rhythm but I lost the front end a couple of times in long corners so I made the decision to try to ride a bit smoother and not put so much pressure on the front tyre with the full tank. Unfortunately that is what led to the crash because looking at the telemetry I didn't have enough load on the front, so I guess in hindsight I should have stuck to the way I'd been riding all weekend.
I saw that.  Since many other Duc riders complain about lack of feedback, I kinda wonder if Stoner is relying on 'faith' when pushing it as hard as he does.  Maybe he's just willing to "chuck it in there and see what happens"?  I that sense, he's riding over his head most of the time, but somehow makes it work - except when it doesn't... 


Sounds like he wasn't particularly trying to kill everyone, but fell off anyway.  
 
Qatar '06 was a pretty sick race though. Other than that, I don't even think he went well there on a 990. Early season success is a very good sign from Hayden. He usually doesn't hit his stride until we get to Assen.
 
Sack & Mick, I'm not sure where the disagreement started, but Casey doesn't say he slowed down, it says he tried to be "smoother" and not push the front. Smoother is usually faster.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>“The bike bogged at the start so I didn't get away well but I felt good and I was able to pass the other guys,” began Stoner, who slipped from pole to fourth at turn one. “Once I got to the front I started to get into my rhythm but I lost the front end a couple of times in long corners so I made the decision to try to ride a bit smoother and not put so much pressure on the front tyre with the full tank.

“Unfortunately that is what led to the crash because looking at the telemetry I didn't have enough load on the front, so I guess in hindsight I should have stuck to the way I'd been riding all weekend.

“It's my mistake and I apologise to the team because we'd done a great job this weekend and we leave empty handed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 12 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sack & Mick, I'm not sure where the disagreement started, but Casey doesn't say he slowed down, it says he tried to be "smoother" and not push the front. Smoother is usually faster.

Just what i was saying, cheers for the clarification
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 12 2010, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would he lie then?
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He stepped up the pace after he got past everyone and then felt he would conserve a little and thats when he crashed. What is not believable about this?

It is not believable because he crashed in the 2nd quarter of a lap in which he had just clocked his best race time in the 1st quarter. Matter of a few seconds. He did not even have the time to think "I better take it easy" that it had already happened
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I have no interest in "accusing" Stoner, I'm just answering your question.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 12 2010, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nearly 24hrs have past

Q. Where's the Stoner fans.?

Does he need to calm it down
championships as a rule are won on consistency not i need to win every race
THis is for the stoner fanboys, BM lad TP70 ect

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Marlboro Ducati rider Nicky Hayden enjoyed a great run at Qatar, one that culminated with fourth place. Hayden talked informally to the media after the race and sounded off on several subjects.

On fourth place:

It would've been nice to at least been up on that podium tonight, but we'll take it. It's Round One. We'll take it and try to build on it.

Repsol Honda's Andrea Dovizioso passed him in the final moments of the race, extracting him from the Qatar podium. Was he surprised when the Honda went past?

No. I know Dovi. He's going to go until the end, so. I wasn't sure I was going to stay on line when I did pass him. I was in pretty hot, and thought he might come back there. And I really expected him to come back, because once I got off-line for that first right-hander, the next two rights and that next left are all connected, so I kind of was off-line for the first one, so I expected him anywhere. But then in the last corner, once he ...

I'd struggled all weekend. I could not get off the last corner. Just something we - that was my worst place, even, like I said, in practice and qualifying. Something didn't feel right with the electronic traction control. The balance would be spinning on the edge, and when I would pick it up on the big part of the tire and it would hook up, the engine would go flat right as I was going uphill, and would just kill my drive. So once I got in there, I just focused on trying to get a really good drive, but he got a lot better drive than me.

Did the speed of the Andrea Dovizioso's Honda surprise you?

No, I was behind de Puniet a little bit this morning. Honda didn't seem real fast on top down there at the end, but it comes off the corner good. Especially there, second, third, fourth, comes off the corner good.

Rossi ran out of fuel on the cool-off lap and several other riders were on fumes. Was the fact that MotoGP bikes were going to be tight on fuel a surprise?

Pffft. Every race, any more, for me ... You know, I've improved that this year. I've worked a lot in the wind tunnel and some different things to get my fuel consumption better, where I didn't have to lean it out so much on race day, and change the gearing. I mean, really, since we've went to 800s when I was at Honda, it's a matter of always fuel consumption. If you've got more fuel, you can go faster. Both on corner entry, with traction control, corner exit. So it's always an issue. But we expected to finish, sure.

How frustrating was it coming out of the last corner in third, kind of knowing that Dovi was probably going to come past?

Yeah, it was tough, man. Especially our box here's right under the podium, and trying to talk to my team, and hearing them up there cheering. At the time, I was pretty - really bummed. It would've been nice. I felt like we deserved it. The team did everything. I felt like I rode hard enough to be there. But sometimes it ain't enough. So it frustrates me, but sure, once I got back to the box and cooled down a little bit, and started to think, "Well, it ain't so bad. Let's try to be positive here and move on."

Regardless, a good start to the season at a track that Hayden hasn't been strong at recently.

My feeling felt good. It's like I said. It's weird sometimes, this bike. We can make big changes, you know, change the swingarm, offset, and not get nothing out of it. But for the race, we made a couple small changes to the rear to get some better grip. I mean small stuff, stuff you do for the race, and on the warm-up lap I thought, "Wow, this thing feels pretty good." It had better grip, and actually allowed to load the front better. It felt awesome.

But this is really, it's just one race. We'll forget about this one quick. We can't get too caught up on one race. Yeah, it was good, some decent points and a fun race, but we need to just get back focused and we've got 17 more rounds to do something. So this ain't ... get too excited here tonight. It's just one race. But it is something to be - try to build on, because the last couple years I've really started the season slow, and just added more pressure. And there's a couple tracks at the beginning of the season ...

...this place has been hard on me since we went to 800. I've never really went good here the last couple years. I started the first couple of rounds, I know, aren't ever easy. A few tracks I struggle at. But hey, we'll enjoy this one. It's been a while since I was up near the front, and I enjoyed it. I ain't going to lie. It's fun.

ENDS
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 12 2010, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although its easy to sit and critisize riders, especially the fast ones who crash more than they should its important to remember that often a riders strengths come tightly packaged with their weaknesses. Why doesn't a steady rider like Nicky just ride a bit faster? Why doesn't Melandri just learn to adapt? Why doesn't Stoner just wind it back a notch? Easy to say, harder for these guys to do. Even with his flaws Stoner is amongst the 3 or 4 best riders in the world and his approach has yielded a world championship. I'm not suggesting Casey should just sit back and accept that he is the way he is and hope that it works out because with a rider as complete as Rossi (and sooner or later Lorenzo) around he could easily wind up playing a Schwantz type role, but i'm not prepared to slate him on the grounds that he should simply be better.

Spoken like an older wiser Tom. +1
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 12 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yamaha is fast where it needs to be and thats all that counts in the scheme of things. I will give you top speed every week if i can have fast lap. This is just like the conversation on the Supebike board about top speed an HP. Top speed is way down the list of important factors when determining a great race bike. Where and how it makes power is much more important, as is geometric balance.Top speed would be on of the last things you work on, once everything else is worked out.


Rossi wasn't able to build a gap, while Hayden and Dovi were fighting, they could still easily follow him.

how can you make a fast lap if your bike is the slowest of all?
I accept that in some places even a slow bike can win, but i think in Qatar the main reason was that Dovi and Nikky were fighting eachother and they just couldn't find any chance to push Valentino seriously.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 12 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yamaha is fast where it needs to be and thats all that counts in the scheme of things. I will give you top speed every week if i can have fast lap. This is just like the conversation on the Supebike board about top speed an HP. Top speed is way down the list of important factors when determining a great race bike. Where and how it makes power is much more important, as is geometric balance.Top speed would be on of the last things you work on, once everything else is worked out.

Sorry Povol. I totally disagree. Power (usable) and top speed (usually generated from usable power) is ALWAYS THE single most important factor in a RACE, and is therefore always very high on the list. Don't fool yourself into anything else.
There are two reasons for this:
1. In a race with two (or more) bikes with equal lap times the one faster on the straights have a huge advantage. It all depends of the tracks and riders of course but an advantage in top-speed can often beat a bike capable of 2 sec a lap better time with equal rider material.
2. Engine lacking power is something the team can't do much about. The rest of the bike mostly consist of state of the art equipment, to a large degree the same .... on all the bikes. (Brembo, Ohlins, Magnetti Marinelli...) We have japanese companies with 20 years experience of making excellent frames and Italians with more then 30 years of the same. They are not very far apart.
In other words: to make the rest of the bike work is by comparison something the team <u>can </u>do so much more with. Ref. Hayden: a little tweak by the team took him from mid pack to front runner.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 12 2010, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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You make no sense

Thats the data you have access too. When you can see his telemitry then we can talk. He said he slowed down didn't have the front loaded enough and he crashed. He said that his telemitry confirms this. If you don't believe this is what happened then your basically saying he's making .... up.

Be that as it may, he ...... up and he has to live with the consequences.

Look into the psychology of a racer and you his words make perfect sense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 12 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Povol. I totally disagree. Power (usable) and top speed (usually generated from usable power) is ALWAYS THE single most important factor in a RACE, and is therefore always very high on the list. Don't fool yourself into anything else.

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Babel, please. There is a ton of top end power used on the straights, that cannot be used in the corners. Why do you think they put so much TC on these bikes?

If not for fuel consumption and engine life, all of these machines would probably be revving to 20,000+ rpm.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 12 2010, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mate he blew the start a bit and ended up 4th in the early stages. He then made clean passes on all 3 in front of him. That's dog fighting is it not? Or should he then allow the 3 back through so he can do it all over again to appease you? He wasn't clever I'll agree with that but the rest of your post is just utter tripe. Especially the part about you hoping he can get it right. You would be about the last guy on here hoping he gets it right.

you call that a dogfight??? Hahahaha.......... me some are easily pleased in the 800 era!! A couple of early lap passes and then a binning a dogfight!

You must know what that Tripe tastes like dishing it up so much
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 13 2010, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Babel, please. There is a ton of top end power used on the straights, that cannot be used in the corners. Why do you think they put so much TC on these bikes?

If not for fuel consumption and engine life, all of these machines would probably be revving to 20,000+ rpm.

I don't know what agenda you got, Povol is a bit more see through but it's all rubbish.
I did mention usable power, twice, and usable power include the power used at the exit of the turns. And please inform me how many passes did we see (not including block pases on the brakes of course) near apex of the curves? None this time again? Wonder why.
Moto2 did not come out of expensive and exotic frames, but nothing else than very expensive engines that no one but the factory teams could get their hands on, and that for a huge amount of money. That did also reflect on the results where mid packers or regular crashers suddenly dominated the moto2 race. The key factors were no factory teams and as a consequence; equal machinery.
After the death of 250 caused by the extremely expensive hunt for a hp or two, are you still telling me power is low on the list?

It's actually amazing that this is even up for discussion. This is racing ABC.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 12 2010, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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You make no sense

Thats the data you have access too. When you can see his telemitry then we can talk. He said he slowed down didn't have the front loaded enough and he crashed. He said that his telemitry confirms this. If you don't believe this is what happened then your basically saying he's making .... up.

Be that as it may, he ...... up and he has to live with the consequences.

I'm no tech wizard but unless Lex has a theory about how his data would be
significantly different from that posted on the MGP site - that would be a pretty
good indication that either Stoner is bullshitting - or maybe he was just thinking
about slowing down when it happened. .... happens so fast out there that I
could live with the latter explanation - and move on to more important stuff.
If he had to save face - then that's not bad for a quickly made up excuse.
Better than "My dog ate the telemetry".
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Apr 12 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi wasn't able to build a gap, while Hayden and Dovi were fighting, they could still easily follow him.

how can you make a fast lap if your bike is the slowest of all?
I accept that in some places even a slow bike can win, but i think in Qatar the main reason was that Dovi and Nikky were fighting eachother and they just couldn't find any chance to push Valentino seriously.

his bike wasn't the slowest of all. it was the slowest in a straight line.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Apr 13 2010, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>THis is for the stoner fanboys, BM lad TP70 ect

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 13 2010, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would he lie then?
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He stepped up the pace after he got past everyone and then felt he would conserve a little and thats when he crashed. What is not believable about this?

maybe he's trying his hand at mind games?




Currently only practicing with himself though
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