Qatar Rd 1 2017

JPSLotus said:

Pre-race the Michelin guys told the Honda runners to go with the medium front over the hard front due to the cooling conditions and concerns about moisture developing on the track. I would have liked to have seen at least one run the hard tire to see if it had been a viable option. In the case of Marquez, he was intent on finishing the race and didn't feel the hard tire offered enough reward to mitigate the possible risks of crashing out. I'm not entirely convinced Crutchlow going with the hard tire would have made much of a difference since the other riders on the grid who prefer the hard front did not go with it themselves.

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JKant said:

Being wrong is not the same as misspeaking. When you implied that the two riders were paid the same ("the money no doubt factored in") you were wrong. Lorenzo was offered a contract that was in his own words 'way better than Rossi's'.

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Gaz said:

Let us assume for a second that you are correct and that Lorenzo's contract was (as per the article', 'way better than Rossis'.

For mine, I will call ........ although I am not saying that it was not said, but questioning the actuality of the comment as contracts are by their nature Confidential between the parties involved.

There is no way that Lorenzo would know of Rossi's contract (or vice versa dare I say) due to the various confidentiality agreements and clauses that would apply (as they tend to in high level sport). This of course does not mean that Rossi may not have told Lorenzo of his contract, but I doubt that they even talk socially, never mind go as far as to compare contracts.

That said however, I could readily see Lorenzo and any rider 'talking up' a contract to explain a choice and I suspect that this is all that happened here (in much the same way we occasionally hear riders 'talk down' contract.

Of course you are entitled to an opinion as much as I, but for mine and I have said this for a while, Lorenzo was for all intents managed out somewhat by Yamaha which was a risky ploy but has at this stage anyway, bought a semblance of calm to the Yamaha garage that will likely be gone by years end (in private) if results continue with Vinales in front

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michaelm said:

Exactly, what else is he going to say? I didn't really want to go to Ducati, perhaps?


And perhaps, if the lack of a celebration party was all down to Movistar and not reflective of Yamaha at all, JKant can list all the effusive praise and congratulations Lorenzo otherwise received from Yamaha for the trivial feat of joining Roberts, Rainey and Lawson in the ranks of 3 time championship winners for Yamaha, those titles being Yamaha's 3 most recent at that. "Reasonable inferences" could possibly be drawn, but I guess those not possessed of JKant's intellectual stature and unbiased rationality are not in a position to draw such inferences.

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Jumkie said:

Ride of the race was Dovi. .... bike battling for the win against the best bike on the grid. MV was smart to be patient and let the riders who were going to go Crutchlow gift him positions to content for the lead. He's on the best bike and championship team, however, his passes were clean and precise. Battling with a Ducati isn't exactly something to hang your hat on, is it? Not sure why this myth that Qatar is a 'Ducati' track is repeated, take away Stoner's wins, what you got is a Yamaha track. Even when Stoner won in 08, he had a Yamaha on his .... Speaking of ..., who here on this forum would continue to work for an employer who doesn’t appreciate you're efforts, to the point of shitting on you're parade? After the Rossi err Uccio created mother of all soap operas, Yamaha's principal put his principles on display, I doubt any of you posting here would have stayed. ...., most of us here get our panties in a bunch over some mild Internet jabs, and worse...revisit the forum circa 2015/16. Oh, the humanity, not a joke at my expense, oh lord, the world is out to get me, and ya'll too blame... Not only was Lin Jarvis' obviously Sean Spicering for Rossi, but no Yamaha executive stepped up to show us their legendary honor. Lorenzo did the right thing, as much as Stoner did, flipped the bird to the Yellow Worship infused in all echelons of this sport. Why don't we ever read that VR went to Ducati for the money? But the ........ narrative naively repeated (at best) is that Lorenzo is a sell-out? Because Ducati paid Yamaha to avoid putting Rossi in check after his Kickgate? Oh wait, Yamaha did that for free. Did we forget Ducati offered a one Jorge Lorenzo 15 Million bucks that was turned down? But he moved to Ducati for the money now? He stayed with Yamaha for the salary that the manufacturer could 'scrape together', the change left on their boardroom couches no doubt, what was left from the extortion money they were paying Gold Finger.

Speaking of high rent, at what point is Cuntslow's crashing going to bankrupt LCR? Oh, that's right, never, thank Carmelocalm (Birdy). VR isn't the only one getting subsidized to keep us watching. Because we'd all turn off the Teli if there wasn't a Brit. Like us Americans have stopped watching because there's no Americans racing, right? Carmelo Clause logic. So he "whimped" out of a brave tire choice? I guess he's not so courageous after all, that tire gamble might have given him the ammunition for another comedy bit. You member, the "joke" about everybody being whimps except Bravefart. You would think so much crashing would dampen a guy's spirit for talking out of his .... I don’t want him to ever get injured (Dog knows his ego will never be hurt) but if he broke his tongue on his next inevitable gravel dump, it would be poetry.

Zarco, everyone knew he was going to Cuntslow except him. How does that happen so often in racing? Oh, look at me, I'm stretching a gap into the lead on these veteran world chumps. I wonder wh....?! That was the most annoying incident of the race, partly because it was obviously going to happen despite my rooting for him. The commentators went Ralph Shithean by suggesting it was some kind of moral confidence victory to lead a race by the "rookie" despite crashing. Oh, that's sound logic, undoubtedly that's what Lucy hears on the cellphone, ya honey, but I was going so fast when I crashed...twice.

Speaking of Cuntslow, Iannone. Enuf said.

Marquez was perhaps the second best performance of the race, after Dovi. He kept his wits, didn’t go full Iannone, realize he had .... tire choice: too soft no win, too hard he'd Cuntslow out of the race; kept his composure, got the important points, and is praying Honda mitigate the issues on the RCV. One DNF and it may be championship over, so best to come out of a bogey track with decent points. Afterall, Marc had the best seat in the house to see Rossi cruise around collecting points, odd as that may sound because the Boppers have always noted Rossi's courage to push for wins. Surely he could beat his rookie teammate on the same bike?

Michelin will be hard at work dialing in that "too soft" tire. I also expect that rear spec to suddenly drop off mid race and start spinning. Pedro better start figuring which race he's going to gamble on the super soft again.

Someone said KTM is in MotoGP? Well, maybe they should spend a bit more on recruitment. Aprilia 6th! Oh wait, several riders crashed in front of them. Wake me up when they actually legitimately run in the top 5.

Viñalez road a tempered race. Despite being on currently the best everything, he still had a lot to do, though as a continuum from preseason to practice performance, it was his race to lose. Smart kid not to panic when he lost a bunch of places from pole. He hasn't reached illegal aliens status, but he's definitely going to rob and .... the limelight from the Shiny One.


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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JohnnyKnockdown said:

Nice to see a race post, and one with a little humor thrown in. This post will be quickly and summarily ignored so the Fantastic fuckwads that permeate the forum bandwith nowadays, can get back to Rosstoner circle jerk.

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JPSLotus said:

Nice race post contribution.

Expecting you to say something of substance on any subject has about the same likelihood of Donald Trump admitting he doesn't know what he is doing in his present job.

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MdubSTYLIE said:

guys please. racing only.

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JPSLotus said:

I rarely see you or your buddy make any racing posts.

Maybe you can break the trend and post something of substance? Or are you going to sit there and whine like usual?

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JohnnyKnockdown said:

Nice to see a race post, and one with a little humor thrown in. This post will be quickly and summarily ignored so the Fantastic fuckwads that permeate the forum bandwith nowadays, can get back to Rosstoner circle jerk.

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MdubSTYLIE said:

Damn, alright then. They are hard to find because they get swallowed in the same senseless debates that have been going on for years. Carry on don't let me get in the way.

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JPSLotus said:

Nice race post contribution.

Expecting you to say something of substance on any subject has about the same likelihood of Donald Trump admitting he doesn't know what he is doing in his present job.

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JPSLotus said:

I always find it interesting when people say things like this.

If you want to talk about other things, I believe there is a create topic option on the forum that would allow you to do just that. As Arrab told Vudu, two such topics were created this week. I didn't see you or your buddy contribute anything of substance. Two of the biggest whiners I have ever seen.

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michaelm said:

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What, despite the current discussion being in relation to Rossi, Lorenzo and Yamaha, for whom Stoner never raced? There obviously quite a few Stoner fans on here, but none as obssessed with him and as prone to bringing him up in unrelated threads as you are.

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MdubSTYLIE said:

So you are suggesting I start a Qatar race thread part 2?

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JPSLotus said:

I always find it interesting when people say things like this.

If you want to talk about other things, I believe there is a create topic option on the forum that would allow you to do just that. As Arrab told Vudu, two such topics were created this week. I didn't see you or your buddy contribute anything of substance. Two of the biggest whiners I have ever seen.

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JohnnyKnockdown said:

Mikey Spicer logic
If you point out that I bring up Stoner every thread, your actually the one bringing up Stoner
See your the one obsessed with Stoner
Stop wiretapping me

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michaelm said:

When have I ever claimed to be other than a rabid Stoner fan?

My issue with JKant of late is that he seems to only have a problem with agendas or bias when they differ from his own.

I was pointing out that the same would seem to be true of you in regard to posters being obssessed with riders, your anti-Stoner bent showing every sign of being no less strong than that of those who favour him, or those who are for or against Rossi.

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