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And it's a bloody good job they did, for he carried on Yamaha's success after Rossi had a hissy fit and went to Ducati.
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And it's a bloody good job they did, for he carried on Yamaha's success after Rossi had a hissy fit and went to Ducati.
Me too.
I am a fairly new MotoGP fan (started watching in 2013) and I am a fan of Yamaha's. Grew up on 4-wheelers in the desert and my dad had a cruiser and my husband also rode a R6. Naturally I gravitated to being a Rossi supporter. But I am a fan of the sport and appreciate all the riders (except JLo, I just can't seem to like him).
You can't help but notice the HUGE amount of Vale-yellow in the stands at all the races and when he retires I'm sure there will be a shift in fans and support.
I've enjoyed watching MV move up and am REALLY excited to see him on a Yamaha! And I was super excited for Zarco to be leading, although I never expected him to keep up that pace and position. Racing is just fun to watch!
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So you started watching in 2013 and naturally became a Rossi fan.
After watching Marquez take 3 out of 4 titles. Really?....
JPS and Birdy are gonna love you...
I started watching in 2013 as well and I truely don't understand how someone watching since the without any outside influence can be a Rossi fan or even not be a Marquez fan. I started watching the racing after faster which have me a slight bias towards Rossi but was almost instantly a Marquez fan.
Same here. I've only been watching since Rossi went back to Yamaha from his disappointing stint in the Italian marque, but i love watching him ride.
Nothing wrong with that.
Liking a rider goes beyond results. Character, flair, personality, looks, image, skill, style, achievements. I could go on. Many things go into having a preference. And that's what makes us people.
It's just like how the following statement would not make sense. "The Kawasaki ZX-10R has won the WSBK for the past 2 years, but you are going to buy a Ducati Panigale?"
Different attributes of different riders will appeal to different fans. No need to diss someone just because they have different tastes.
Let us all enjoy the sport that we love. To great racing! :starwars:
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Must admit, you had me fooled there.
Going by your member name I thought you were a Hailwood fan.
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Same here. I've only been watching since Rossi went back to Yamaha from his disappointing stint in the Italian marque, but i love watching him ride.
Nothing wrong with that.
Liking a rider goes beyond results. Character, flair, personality, looks, image, skill, style, achievements. I could go on. Many things go into having a preference. And that's what makes us people.
It's just like how the following statement would not make sense. "The Kawasaki ZX-10R has won the WSBK for the past 2 years, but you are going to buy a Ducati Panigale?"
Different attributes of different riders will appeal to different fans. No need to diss someone just because they have different tastes.
Let us all enjoy the sport that we love. To great racing! :starwars:
The heart wants what the heart wants.
Having different tastes is not an issue 'round these parts. Tho - there is a contingent of old-timers hereabouts who get titchy about Rossi fans who think he's the be all and end all and constantly act as apologists for every ........ thing he pulls.
We had a guy here from the UK who was the biggest Rossi fan to the point where everyone wanted to puke - because he was blind to all of Rossi's faults (of which there are many) but eventually - he saw the light. Die hard drinkers of the yellow Kool Aid proclaiming Rossi's overarching fantasticness stick around for a while and then get sick of this place.
That said, all who contribute without trolling (regardless of race, creed or color) are welcome here.
As I have always said, Rossi over his career has given his many fans every reason to be fans, and there is obviously no problem with people continuing to be fans or with fans of his posting on here.
I do find it amusing that quite a succession of posters now have come on here to put the dastardly Rossi haters in their place, assuming that any alternative view to theirs can only be due to bias while they have none of their own.
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Ride of the race was Dovi. .... bike battling for the win against the best bike on the grid. MV was smart to be patient and let the riders who were going to go Crutchlow gift him positions to content for the lead. He's on the best bike and championship team, however, his passes were clean and precise. Battling with a Ducati isn't exactly something to hang your hat on, is it? Not sure why this myth that Qatar is a 'Ducati' track is repeated, take away Stoner's wins, what you got is a Yamaha track. Even when Stoner won in 08, he had a Yamaha on his .... Speaking of ..., who here on this forum would continue to work for an employer who doesn’t appreciate you're efforts, to the point of shitting on you're parade? After the Rossi err Uccio created mother of all soap operas, Yamaha's principal put his principles on display, I doubt any of you posting here would have stayed. ...., most of us here get our panties in a bunch over some mild Internet jabs, and worse...revisit the forum circa 2015/16. Oh, the humanity, not a joke at my expense, oh lord, the world is out to get me, and ya'll too blame... Not only was Lin Jarvis' obviously Sean Spicering for Rossi, but no Yamaha executive stepped up to show us their legendary honor. Lorenzo did the right thing, as much as Stoner did, flipped the bird to the Yellow Worship infused in all echelons of this sport. Why don't we ever read that VR went to Ducati for the money? But the ........ narrative naively repeated (at best) is that Lorenzo is a sell-out? Because Ducati paid Yamaha to avoid putting Rossi in check after his Kickgate? Oh wait, Yamaha did that for free. Did we forget Ducati offered a one Jorge Lorenzo 15 Million bucks that was turned down? But he moved to Ducati for the money now? He stayed with Yamaha for the salary that the manufacturer could 'scrape together', the change left on their boardroom couches no doubt, what was left from the extortion money they were paying Gold Finger.
Speaking of high rent, at what point is Cuntslow's crashing going to bankrupt LCR? Oh, that's right, never, thank Carmelocalm (Birdy). VR isn't the only one getting subsidized to keep us watching. Because we'd all turn off the Teli if there wasn't a Brit. Like us Americans have stopped watching because there's no Americans racing, right? Carmelo Clause logic. So he "whimped" out of a brave tire choice? I guess he's not so courageous after all, that tire gamble might have given him the ammunition for another comedy bit. You member, the "joke" about everybody being whimps except Bravefart. You would think so much crashing would dampen a guy's spirit for talking out of his .... I don’t want him to ever get injured (Dog knows his ego will never be hurt) but if he broke his tongue on his next inevitable gravel dump, it would be poetry.
Zarco, everyone knew he was going to Cuntslow except him. How does that happen so often in racing? Oh, look at me, I'm stretching a gap into the lead on these veteran world chumps. I wonder wh....?! That was the most annoying incident of the race, partly because it was obviously going to happen despite my rooting for him. The commentators went Ralph Shithean by suggesting it was some kind of moral confidence victory to lead a race by the "rookie" despite crashing. Oh, that's sound logic, undoubtedly that's what Lucy hears on the cellphone, ya honey, but I was going so fast when I crashed...twice.
Speaking of Cuntslow, Iannone. Enuf said.
Marquez was perhaps the second best performance of the race, after Dovi. He kept his wits, didn’t go full Iannone, realize he had .... tire choice: too soft no win, too hard he'd Cuntslow out of the race; kept his composure, got the important points, and is praying Honda mitigate the issues on the RCV. One DNF and it may be championship over, so best to come out of a bogey track with decent points. Afterall, Marc had the best seat in the house to see Rossi cruise around collecting points, odd as that may sound because the Boppers have always noted Rossi's courage to push for wins. Surely he could beat his rookie teammate on the same bike?
Michelin will be hard at work dialing in that "too soft" tire. I also expect that rear spec to suddenly drop off mid race and start spinning. Pedro better start figuring which race he's going to gamble on the super soft again.
Someone said KTM is in MotoGP? Well, maybe they should spend a bit more on recruitment. Aprilia 6th! Oh wait, several riders crashed in front of them. Wake me up when they actually legitimately run in the top 5.
Viñalez road a tempered race. Despite being on currently the best everything, he still had a lot to do, though as a continuum from preseason to practice performance, it was his race to lose. Smart kid not to panic when he lost a bunch of places from pole. He hasn't reached illegal aliens status, but he's definitely going to rob and .... the limelight from the Shiny One.
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
Speaking of high rent, at what point is Cuntslow's crashing going to bankrupt LCR? Oh, that's right, never, thank Carmelocalm (Birdy). VR isn't the only one getting subsidized to keep us watching. Because we'd all turn off the Teli if there wasn't a Brit. Like us Americans have stopped watching because there's no Americans racing, right? Carmelo Clause logic. So he "whimped" out of a brave tire choice? I guess he's not so courageous after all, that tire gamble might have given him the ammunition for another comedy bit. You member, the "joke" about everybody being whimps except Bravefart. You would think so much crashing would dampen a guy's spirit for talking out of his .... I don’t want him to ever get injured (Dog knows his ego will never be hurt) but if he broke his tongue on his next inevitable gravel dump, it would be poetry.
Zarco, everyone knew he was going to Cuntslow except him. How does that happen so often in racing? Oh, look at me, I'm stretching a gap into the lead on these veteran world chumps. I wonder wh....?! That was the most annoying incident of the race, partly because it was obviously going to happen despite my rooting for him. The commentators went Ralph Shithean by suggesting it was some kind of moral confidence victory to lead a race by the "rookie" despite crashing. Oh, that's sound logic, undoubtedly that's what Lucy hears on the cellphone, ya honey, but I was going so fast when I crashed...twice.
Speaking of Cuntslow, Iannone. Enuf said.
Marquez was perhaps the second best performance of the race, after Dovi. He kept his wits, didn’t go full Iannone, realize he had .... tire choice: too soft no win, too hard he'd Cuntslow out of the race; kept his composure, got the important points, and is praying Honda mitigate the issues on the RCV. One DNF and it may be championship over, so best to come out of a bogey track with decent points. Afterall, Marc had the best seat in the house to see Rossi cruise around collecting points, odd as that may sound because the Boppers have always noted Rossi's courage to push for wins. Surely he could beat his rookie teammate on the same bike?
Michelin will be hard at work dialing in that "too soft" tire. I also expect that rear spec to suddenly drop off mid race and start spinning. Pedro better start figuring which race he's going to gamble on the super soft again.
Someone said KTM is in MotoGP? Well, maybe they should spend a bit more on recruitment. Aprilia 6th! Oh wait, several riders crashed in front of them. Wake me up when they actually legitimately run in the top 5.
Viñalez road a tempered race. Despite being on currently the best everything, he still had a lot to do, though as a continuum from preseason to practice performance, it was his race to lose. Smart kid not to panic when he lost a bunch of places from pole. He hasn't reached illegal aliens status, but he's definitely going to rob and .... the limelight from the Shiny One.
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
I usually try to be as objective as I can and the last few pages have mostly involved me defending Yamaha, (Rossi's supporters & detractors and their biases & motivations generally being a distraction from that).
When I arrived at Yamaha, I was a rider who still had a lot to prove. Instead they gave me the same material as Rossi used and had won so much for them. I think Yamaha has not behaved badly with me, neither when I started, nor halfway through nor at the end. They did what they always thought right, and I always got good parts, good motorcycles, and like I said, I'm very grateful to Yamaha because without them I would not now be a three times world champion. - Lorenzo, 2016
Being wrong is not the same as misspeaking. When you implied that the two riders were paid the same ("the money no doubt factored in") you were wrong. Lorenzo was offered a contract that was in his own words 'way better than Rossi's'.
Honesty does not equate to infallibility (I don't think Lorenzo was lying either). And the championship celebration was organised by Movistar (yes I'm bringing it up) and cancelled before Valencia. It was a notable development and widely reported. And there's no precedent to organizing multiple gala events to celebrate one title win.
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For a guy who whined about arguing semantics, you spend a lot of time focused on arguing semantics. What is it, semantics only matters when you think it helps you, and if it doesn't, then you cry foul?
Again no one gives a .... about Movistar, only you do. You can go on about it all you want, but you're just trying to move goalposts as you always do. Celebrations were cancelled, deal with it. Nice sidestep to avoid answering my question about whether kropo lied when he reported what he did. No surprise because doing that is a half-assed attempt on your part to try and continue arguing a point that no one was arguing, or even cares about.
Again no one gives a .... about Movistar, only you do. You can go on about it all you want, but you're just trying to move goalposts as you always do. Celebrations were cancelled, deal with it. Nice sidestep to avoid answering my question about whether kropo lied when he reported what he did. No surprise because doing that is a half-assed attempt on your part to try and continue arguing a point that no one was arguing, or even cares about.
Literal interpretation of anything which supports your point of view even if a departure statement from a rider who obviously doesn't want to burn his bridges and has always been a professional in general anyway, "reasonable inferences" drawn from old newspaper clippings/10 year old Dorna press releases if it suits your purpose, yet utmost exegesis of anything said by those who disagree with you.
Your recent post regarding Suzuki and Lorenzo was an interesting take on a general GP racing matter, otherwise Birdman has rumbled you as is his wont, you are no less biased or more considered than anyone else on here whatever your pose, and your posts like others of your ilk are pretty much entirely Rossi-centric and pre- occupied with anything however trivial you perceive as slighting him.
Your recent post regarding Suzuki and Lorenzo was an interesting take on a general GP racing matter, otherwise Birdman has rumbled you as is his wont, you are no less biased or more considered than anyone else on here whatever your pose, and your posts like others of your ilk are pretty much entirely Rossi-centric and pre- occupied with anything however trivial you perceive as slighting him.
Oh I wouldn't call Emmett a liar anymore than I'd say the same about you. He's just mistaken. Not many people paid attention to the timing of the cancellation, apparently including him.
I think he was being quite literal when he said Yamaha offered him the best deal he ever had, way better than Rossi's. They gave him the same tools and input in his second year as they did when he had two championships under his belt. And just like he didn't want to burn his bridges, they've explicitly said that they're open to a future return.
He probably wasn't treated with a great deal of warmth at Yamaha. And Lorenzo would definitely feel more valued at Ducati. But that's Yamaha. Its a more 'cold' company (relative to Suzuki & Ducati), more ruthless, more focused on results, capable of and confident about beating its main rival despite the latter's fame, money & records. Almost.. Lorenzoesque I'd say (at least compared to his less mellow younger years).
That's something of a, I guess,.. tribal attitude. Especially considering that the focus of the discussion was Yamaha not Rossi.
I've maintained a view that Rossi was (generally speaking) as competitive as Lorenzo over the last couple years. The obvious corollary to that is that I consider Lorenzo to be as competitive as Rossi as well. I really don't see why my post about Lorenzo being the a perfect fit for the Suzuki (even more so than the Yamaha), possibly even dominant on it, is an abberation. I don't consider myself bound by the views of what you perjoratively describe as 'my ilk'.
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You can consider yourself whatever you like, and doubtless do as do most others, and you are correct that "ilk" is usually perjorative and was intended to be so.
I initially found your posts to be of some interest and contemplated the possibility that you were interested in genuine discussion rather than being yet another consumed by a moral imperative to confront the "Rossi Haters" on the "Rossi Haters Forum" and point out the revealed truth to them, but without using the "B" word myself now, like Birdman, find them to be thematically limited and of a nature which could be considered "tribal" in itself. You could perhaps consider that the whole point of the well known fable/parable/proverb of "The Emperor's New Clothes" was that he actually had no clothes despite all proclamations to the contrary, and that a small "tribe" on here is not necessarily in error purely because of a viewpoint which is very definitely a minority one.
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There was a certain air of inevitability about the outcome, but I find myself disagreeing with Povol's assertion (and I paraphrase) that anyone that didn't see that coming and that this was a classic case of rookie fever in the making knows nothing about racing. Granted Zarco is new to the class and thereby has much to learn about the complexity of a MotoGP bike and the differences in racecraft from Moto2 in particular. And ok, that time he put in so early on lap 4 which turned out to be the fastest of the race was perhaps inviting danger. But sod the cynicism - I thought it was ....... great.
So yeah, he gambled on the soft rear, but given the abridged race and his smooth style, as it actually that much of a reckless choice? and the stakes were low - nothing to lose. I fully expected him to not only finish the race but possibly podium. It was only when he ran a few inches wide at the notoriously lethal turn two on lap seven - which has historically randomly, arbitrarily and unfairly punished more riders than Paul bloody Butler - that it was game over.
Zarco has admitted that he was pushing hard, but attributes the problem to relaxing and letting off slightly which as we have seen so many times can catch you out. I am certain that he will podium this year and even win a few races during his tenure at T3. He's clever, he can race hard and the M1 is very conducive to his style. Not often I agree with Huewen, but it dd present the quandary that you wanted the rookie to win...but on the other hand, he's French. (Excuse the xenophobia and obligatory UK stereotypical view).
Disagree about ride of the race compa - I'd say Aleix...but on the other hand he's Spanish so I understand why you can't.
Regarding Calamity Crashloads, given that his throttle stuck open after the first off, it more for me raises the debate about the viability of riders remounting damaged machinery. He wasn't helped by his team uncharacteristically overruling his preference for the hard front without his consent and in trying to be competitive ran wide at the final turn. He assumes full responsibility for the second off and accepts that he should never have tried to rejoin the race.
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Pre-race the Michelin guys told the Honda runners to go with the medium front over the hard front due to the cooling conditions and concerns about moisture developing on the track. I would have liked to have seen at least one run the hard tire to see if it had been a viable option. In the case of Marquez, he was intent on finishing the race and didn't feel the hard tire offered enough reward to mitigate the possible risks of crashing out. I'm not entirely convinced Crutchlow going with the hard tire would have made much of a difference since the other riders on the grid who prefer the hard front did not go with it themselves.
