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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pirkkalan GP @ Dec 5 2007, 07:38 AM) [snapback]103445[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Somebody merge this with the other predictions thread as i can't be bothered to post my top 20 again and i'm sure the 5 other pages of predictions can't be bothered either!
I think it is reasonable to have the topic again after the recent round of testing.
Somebody merge this with the other predictions thread as i can't be bothered to post my top 20 again and i'm sure the 5 other pages of predictions can't be bothered either!
I think it is reasonable to have the topic again after the recent round of testing.
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1. Stoner
2. Rossi
3. Vermeulen
4. Pedrosa
5. Capirossi
Don't think anything will change at the top, same bike, same rider.
Rossi already proven to be fast on the stones, can he break his wrist/hand for a third year in a row?
A few people have said Suzuki could have a good year, & I can see that.
& Honda just ain't impressing me setting fast times on 2007 bike.
This of course based on the last test.
2. Rossi
3. Vermeulen
4. Pedrosa
5. Capirossi
Don't think anything will change at the top, same bike, same rider.
Rossi already proven to be fast on the stones, can he break his wrist/hand for a third year in a row?
A few people have said Suzuki could have a good year, & I can see that.
& Honda just ain't impressing me setting fast times on 2007 bike.
This of course based on the last test.
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1st. Stoner or Rossi or Pedrosa, I must be right!!!
It's too hard to predict, I will wait 2 more months with my predictions. It will definitely be between those 3 riders again, Dani will be stronger than last season, I think Rossi will too. So it will be a lot closer next season.
It's too hard to predict, I will wait 2 more months with my predictions. It will definitely be between those 3 riders again, Dani will be stronger than last season, I think Rossi will too. So it will be a lot closer next season.
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Dani
Casey
Valentino
Nicky
Jorge
Casey
Valentino
Nicky
Jorge
Some of you guys make me sick. Jorge? Dovi? Elias? RDP? How in God's name do you put anyone on a satellite Honda in the top 5?
Yamaha are complete crap and they've been developing their machine around 1 man for going on half a decade.
How do the same people leave Hopper or Verme off their list? Actually, I'm not sure Verme has a great chance despite what the statistics say, BUT HOW DO YOU SNUB HOPPER for 250 children on bad bikes?!
Hopper is inheriting the 2nd most powerful engine in the paddock. He's being handed a bike that will improve his top speeds by 5kph. He's being handed a bike, that if kept upright in 2007, would have scored between 165 and 185 points. What more do you need to give him the nod?
Sure Melandri and Hayden should be on vastly improved equipment, but Honda has already failed to develop pneumatics which could keep Nicky developing through 2008 and Melandri appears to need training wheels or an instructional video tape from Mr. Stoner.
1. Pedrosa
2. Stoner
3. Rossi
4. Hayden
5. Hopper
Pedrosa will win the same way Nicky won in 2006. He'll have 3 or 4 wins, he will lose everytime there is a battle, but he will have the reliable Honda equipment and he will string together a podium rich season.
Ducati and Stoner are going back to the old days. Stoner will win 4 or 5, but it will be on a Duc that acts like the old Duc. When it has got it, the GP8 will be unbeatable by 10secs, when it's off, Stoner will fight to the line to preserve a top 5. Stoner will be agitated by an inept Melandri everytime he falls off the pace.
Rossi will be hugely disappointing. Pissed off by a pathetic Yamaha that has absolutely no chance against a properly setup Honda or Ducati. The Stones will help keep him in races until the end, but he will have plenty of races where he's not on the pace. He'll suck on Hopper's exhaust a few times in 2008 and he will realize he should retire before he's killed by frustration.
Hayden will get stuck developing. Inconsistent again in 2008 but he will score 1 or 2 more podiums and he won't be plagued by goose eggs or single digit points results on race day.
Hopper will have a repeat 2007 with Kwak. Lots and lots of 4ths 5ths and 6ths. With a sprinkling of podiums and a possible win, for some reason I think it will be at an Asian track.
I'm usually wrong on long term forecasts and that's what I honestly believe. Let the epic season begin
How do the same people leave Hopper or Verme off their list? Actually, I'm not sure Verme has a great chance despite what the statistics say, BUT HOW DO YOU SNUB HOPPER for 250 children on bad bikes?!
Hopper is inheriting the 2nd most powerful engine in the paddock. He's being handed a bike that will improve his top speeds by 5kph. He's being handed a bike, that if kept upright in 2007, would have scored between 165 and 185 points. What more do you need to give him the nod?
Sure Melandri and Hayden should be on vastly improved equipment, but Honda has already failed to develop pneumatics which could keep Nicky developing through 2008 and Melandri appears to need training wheels or an instructional video tape from Mr. Stoner.
1. Pedrosa
2. Stoner
3. Rossi
4. Hayden
5. Hopper
Pedrosa will win the same way Nicky won in 2006. He'll have 3 or 4 wins, he will lose everytime there is a battle, but he will have the reliable Honda equipment and he will string together a podium rich season.
Ducati and Stoner are going back to the old days. Stoner will win 4 or 5, but it will be on a Duc that acts like the old Duc. When it has got it, the GP8 will be unbeatable by 10secs, when it's off, Stoner will fight to the line to preserve a top 5. Stoner will be agitated by an inept Melandri everytime he falls off the pace.
Rossi will be hugely disappointing. Pissed off by a pathetic Yamaha that has absolutely no chance against a properly setup Honda or Ducati. The Stones will help keep him in races until the end, but he will have plenty of races where he's not on the pace. He'll suck on Hopper's exhaust a few times in 2008 and he will realize he should retire before he's killed by frustration.
Hayden will get stuck developing. Inconsistent again in 2008 but he will score 1 or 2 more podiums and he won't be plagued by goose eggs or single digit points results on race day.
Hopper will have a repeat 2007 with Kwak. Lots and lots of 4ths 5ths and 6ths. With a sprinkling of podiums and a possible win, for some reason I think it will be at an Asian track.
I'm usually wrong on long term forecasts and that's what I honestly believe. Let the epic season begin
Well? I think :
1.Rossi
2.Pedrosa
3,Stoner
4.Melandri
5.Lorenzo
We know how capable Rossi is. And the Yams SURELY get their assess very hard to build more reliable and faster bike ( Or Rossi will dump them - Before Rossi joins the Yams, no one is pay attention to the Yams, SO LESS BUCKS TOO
).
Pedrosa is better than Stoner. Remember in 250cc classess?
Stoner is good but next year even his GP8 MAY NOT BE SO DOMINATING. Remember in Valencia?HRC surely did their homework.The main reason why the Ducs so dominant this year is because the Japs did not make enough preparations for the new regulation.
Melandri is more experienced man than Stoner. But he has to adapt the bike.
Lorenzo?
. He was fast at test in Jerez
CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR.......
1.Rossi
2.Pedrosa
3,Stoner
4.Melandri
5.Lorenzo
We know how capable Rossi is. And the Yams SURELY get their assess very hard to build more reliable and faster bike ( Or Rossi will dump them - Before Rossi joins the Yams, no one is pay attention to the Yams, SO LESS BUCKS TOO
Pedrosa is better than Stoner. Remember in 250cc classess?
Stoner is good but next year even his GP8 MAY NOT BE SO DOMINATING. Remember in Valencia?HRC surely did their homework.The main reason why the Ducs so dominant this year is because the Japs did not make enough preparations for the new regulation.
Melandri is more experienced man than Stoner. But he has to adapt the bike.
Lorenzo?
CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR.......
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Wow ! Lorenzo impressed in his first test
... and not just me .... lots have placed him in the top five.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mochrifqi @ Dec 6 2007, 08:13 AM) [snapback]103578[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa is better than Stoner. Remember in 250cc classess?
CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR.......
I don't dispute that pedrosa is a top-line rider, but stoner was quite competitive with him in 2005, just less consistent. It is also possible that a rider as young as stoner was then can improve. I agree that pedrosa will likely have a bike which is at least equal, and possibly better than the ducati.
I also am hopeful that 2008 will be a great year for motogp racing.
Pedrosa is better than Stoner. Remember in 250cc classess?
CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR.......
I don't dispute that pedrosa is a top-line rider, but stoner was quite competitive with him in 2005, just less consistent. It is also possible that a rider as young as stoner was then can improve. I agree that pedrosa will likely have a bike which is at least equal, and possibly better than the ducati.
I also am hopeful that 2008 will be a great year for motogp racing.
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Lorenzo won't be in the top 5 ... can't ride in the wet and with a likely 3 wets races next year will give away at least 75 points to the rest of the field.
I don't expect any of the newcomers to be in the top 5, but I expect a couple of them in the top 10!
I don't think #33 will have a very good year either!
Pedrosa
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CV
Hayden
Lorenzo won't be in the top 5 ... can't ride in the wet and with a likely 3 wets races next year will give away at least 75 points to the rest of the field.
I don't expect any of the newcomers to be in the top 5, but I expect a couple of them in the top 10!
I don't think #33 will have a very good year either!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 6 2007, 07:04 AM) [snapback]103576[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Some of you guys make me sick. Jorge? Dovi?
why not? they are both talented riders and jorge has a factory bike. dani got 5th in his rookie year... i think jorge and dovi are every bit as good so, i repeat... why not?
i guess what krusty said about jorge not being able to ride in the wet is true so maybe that will affect things but who knows?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> How do the same people leave Hopper or Verme off their list? Actually, I'm not sure Verme has a great chance despite what the statistics say, BUT HOW DO YOU SNUB HOPPER for 250 children on bad bikes?!
because the 250 'children' can run circles around hopkins no matter what bike he's on! up until the second half of this season hopkins has been... well... crap! i know the suzuki hasnt been a proper contender to win (up until 07) but that doesnt give him the excuse to not try at all!
for Chris to come in as a rookie in 06 and out perform his much more experienced teammate in many races is quite laughable really. if hopkins ever wins the title then i will eat my words but until he proves himself, im afraid IMO he doesnt deserve the ride he has been given!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> Pedrosa will win the same way Nicky won in 2006. He'll have 3 or 4 wins, he will lose everytime there is a battle, but he will have the reliable Honda equipment and he will string together a podium rich season.
well it is consistency that matters... i think Dani is constantly improving as a rider and will be stronger than ever. he will win the title but definitely not by the margin that casey has this year. hope its a close championship and each race is an exciting battle, we've had enough domination with Rossi and this year Stoner... bring it on!
Some of you guys make me sick. Jorge? Dovi?
why not? they are both talented riders and jorge has a factory bike. dani got 5th in his rookie year... i think jorge and dovi are every bit as good so, i repeat... why not?
i guess what krusty said about jorge not being able to ride in the wet is true so maybe that will affect things but who knows?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> How do the same people leave Hopper or Verme off their list? Actually, I'm not sure Verme has a great chance despite what the statistics say, BUT HOW DO YOU SNUB HOPPER for 250 children on bad bikes?!
for Chris to come in as a rookie in 06 and out perform his much more experienced teammate in many races is quite laughable really. if hopkins ever wins the title then i will eat my words but until he proves himself, im afraid IMO he doesnt deserve the ride he has been given!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> Pedrosa will win the same way Nicky won in 2006. He'll have 3 or 4 wins, he will lose everytime there is a battle, but he will have the reliable Honda equipment and he will string together a podium rich season.
well it is consistency that matters... i think Dani is constantly improving as a rider and will be stronger than ever. he will win the title but definitely not by the margin that casey has this year. hope its a close championship and each race is an exciting battle, we've had enough domination with Rossi and this year Stoner... bring it on!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(D Wheeler @ Dec 4 2007, 01:29 PM) [snapback]103344[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think next year will be back to the moto gp we love, close exciting races, so its very difficult to read what will happen but I think the top 5 will be as follows:
1) Pedrosa
I feel its pedrosa's time next year, the bike looks good, the 2007 bike looked good come to think of it at the end of last season, theres alot of development to come but I just think HRC will ensure the bike is bike on top this year, plus I saw a different side of dani last year, an agression which has been missing in his time in moto gp. the factor which could decide if dani is right there though is michelin, they have to up there game and personally I think they will.
2) Stoner
Can't over look casey, not at all, this kid is brilliant and will push right to the finish but just think dani will edge him on this occasion.
3) Rossi
I actually think valentino is still the best rider, but I do not see that yamaha getting anywhere near the standard that the Honda and the Duc will be at next year, Even taking this into account I think theres only dani and casey who can finish above him.
4) Hayden
5) Melandri
thoughts?
Here I go
1.- pedrosa
2.- hayden
3.- stoner
rossi
5.- melandri
I you ask me why honda-hrc 1-2. Because i think is closing performance gap with ducati and about rossi and stoner draw third place think that how valentino's yamaha chassis and tyres "understanding" be key point
I think next year will be back to the moto gp we love, close exciting races, so its very difficult to read what will happen but I think the top 5 will be as follows:
1) Pedrosa
I feel its pedrosa's time next year, the bike looks good, the 2007 bike looked good come to think of it at the end of last season, theres alot of development to come but I just think HRC will ensure the bike is bike on top this year, plus I saw a different side of dani last year, an agression which has been missing in his time in moto gp. the factor which could decide if dani is right there though is michelin, they have to up there game and personally I think they will.
2) Stoner
Can't over look casey, not at all, this kid is brilliant and will push right to the finish but just think dani will edge him on this occasion.
3) Rossi
I actually think valentino is still the best rider, but I do not see that yamaha getting anywhere near the standard that the Honda and the Duc will be at next year, Even taking this into account I think theres only dani and casey who can finish above him.
4) Hayden
5) Melandri
thoughts?
Here I go
1.- pedrosa
2.- hayden
3.- stoner
rossi
5.- melandri
I you ask me why honda-hrc 1-2. Because i think is closing performance gap with ducati and about rossi and stoner draw third place think that how valentino's yamaha chassis and tyres "understanding" be key point
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Dec 6 2007, 11:23 AM) [snapback]103612[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
why not? they are both talented riders and jorge has a factory bike. dani got 5th in his rookie year... i think jorge and dovi are every bit as good so, i repeat... why not?
Because Dani landed on a Factory Repsol. The 250 crew are landing on miserably poor factory Yamahas and satellite Hondas. Both the Yamaha and the Michelins have to improve for Jorge to have a chance, everyone on a Honda has already been told they will be on 1 season old bikes. By the end of 2008 the satellite Hondas will be happy with a top 10. Bridgestone Hondas will be happy with top 8.
Why take a pot shot at Hopkins. He spent the 990 era developing for one of the most incompetent outfits (ahead of Aprilia, perhaps slightly ahead of the Kwak) in MotoGP, He's watched decent 250 riders land on satellite Hondas his entire career. Pedrosa landed on a championship capable machine in his rookie season and Stoner threw a leg over a championship capable machine his sophmore season. They are the only 250 "stars" to have eclipsed him without him responding. This season he got Melandri, Elias, and Loris and he finished solidly ahead of Verme for the second straight year. Furthermore, he was the top ranked American which gives him some pride as well.
Assuming the Kawasaki is a decent bike and Hopper can remain uninjured and unharmed by the midpack melee, he will finish ahead of the satellite runners pretty easily and he will probably beat Jorge as well.
why not? they are both talented riders and jorge has a factory bike. dani got 5th in his rookie year... i think jorge and dovi are every bit as good so, i repeat... why not?
Because Dani landed on a Factory Repsol. The 250 crew are landing on miserably poor factory Yamahas and satellite Hondas. Both the Yamaha and the Michelins have to improve for Jorge to have a chance, everyone on a Honda has already been told they will be on 1 season old bikes. By the end of 2008 the satellite Hondas will be happy with a top 10. Bridgestone Hondas will be happy with top 8.
Why take a pot shot at Hopkins. He spent the 990 era developing for one of the most incompetent outfits (ahead of Aprilia, perhaps slightly ahead of the Kwak) in MotoGP, He's watched decent 250 riders land on satellite Hondas his entire career. Pedrosa landed on a championship capable machine in his rookie season and Stoner threw a leg over a championship capable machine his sophmore season. They are the only 250 "stars" to have eclipsed him without him responding. This season he got Melandri, Elias, and Loris and he finished solidly ahead of Verme for the second straight year. Furthermore, he was the top ranked American which gives him some pride as well.
Assuming the Kawasaki is a decent bike and Hopper can remain uninjured and unharmed by the midpack melee, he will finish ahead of the satellite runners pretty easily and he will probably beat Jorge as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 7 2007, 09:39 AM) [snapback]103642[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Because Dani landed on a Factory Repsol. The 250 crew are landing on miserably poor factory Yamahas and satellite Hondas. Both the Yamaha and the Michelins have to improve for Jorge to have a chance, everyone on a Honda has already been told they will be on 1 season old bikes. By the end of 2008 the satellite Hondas will be happy with a top 10. Bridgestone Hondas will be happy with top 8.
Why take a pot shot at Hopkins. He spent the 990 era developing for one of the most incompetent outfits (ahead of Aprilia, perhaps slightly ahead of the Kwak) in MotoGP, He's watched decent 250 riders land on satellite Hondas his entire career. Pedrosa landed on a championship capable machine in his rookie season and Stoner threw a leg over a championship capable machine his sophmore season. They are the only 250 "stars" to have eclipsed him without him responding. This season he got Melandri, Elias, and Loris and he finished solidly ahead of Verme for the second straight year. Furthermore, he was the top ranked American which gives him some pride as well.
Assuming the Kawasaki is a decent bike and Hopper can remain uninjured and unharmed by the midpack melee, he will finish ahead of the satellite runners pretty easily and he will probably beat Jorge as well.
I agree - I think Hopper had a great season and has heaps of ability.
I'm just not convinced yet that his switch to Kawasaki is a step forward from where he was at Suzuki. If it is then he'll walk into the top 5 but I'm just sitting on the fence until we see where Kawasaki are at in 2008.
They had more straight line speed than Suzuki in 2007 but perhaps that's where their superiority finished? Who knows.
Anyway I like Hopper so I hope the move pays off for him.
Because Dani landed on a Factory Repsol. The 250 crew are landing on miserably poor factory Yamahas and satellite Hondas. Both the Yamaha and the Michelins have to improve for Jorge to have a chance, everyone on a Honda has already been told they will be on 1 season old bikes. By the end of 2008 the satellite Hondas will be happy with a top 10. Bridgestone Hondas will be happy with top 8.
Why take a pot shot at Hopkins. He spent the 990 era developing for one of the most incompetent outfits (ahead of Aprilia, perhaps slightly ahead of the Kwak) in MotoGP, He's watched decent 250 riders land on satellite Hondas his entire career. Pedrosa landed on a championship capable machine in his rookie season and Stoner threw a leg over a championship capable machine his sophmore season. They are the only 250 "stars" to have eclipsed him without him responding. This season he got Melandri, Elias, and Loris and he finished solidly ahead of Verme for the second straight year. Furthermore, he was the top ranked American which gives him some pride as well.
Assuming the Kawasaki is a decent bike and Hopper can remain uninjured and unharmed by the midpack melee, he will finish ahead of the satellite runners pretty easily and he will probably beat Jorge as well.
I agree - I think Hopper had a great season and has heaps of ability.
I'm just not convinced yet that his switch to Kawasaki is a step forward from where he was at Suzuki. If it is then he'll walk into the top 5 but I'm just sitting on the fence until we see where Kawasaki are at in 2008.
They had more straight line speed than Suzuki in 2007 but perhaps that's where their superiority finished? Who knows.
Anyway I like Hopper so I hope the move pays off for him.
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