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Pit Berier: MSMA Have Agreed on 850cc Engines

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Manufacturers agree to reduce MotoGP engines to 850cc

In 2027, MotoGP engines are set to have their displacement reduced from 1,000 cubic centimeters to 850cc. The rules have specified the current displacement since 2012. During the summer of this year, the General Manager of Ducati Corse, Gigi Dall’Igna, told SPEEDWEEK.com that only two...
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According to motorcyclesports, Berier gave an interview to Speedweek that everyone is inboard with 850cc. Aprilia was the main holdout, but the Noale-based manufacturer has relented according to Berier.

Still looking for the source article. Not sure how reliable this reporting is or if the MSMA are just floating a trial balloon to get info from the fans. Time will tell.

I’m neither for or against. Much more important items than engine displacement. In a different interview, Berier also claims MotoGP will follow F1 by having the manufacturers supply engines and the teams supply chassis and bodywork.

Edit: Original article on Speedweek Werke sind sich einig: MotoGP-WM 2027 mit 850 ccm

Speedweek needs to work on their English search engine SEO now that we have German speakers in the MSMA.
 
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mylexicon said:
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Manufacturers agree to reduce MotoGP engines to 850cc

In 2027, MotoGP engines are set to have their displacement reduced from 1,000 cubic centimeters to 850cc. The rules have specified the current displacement since 2012. During the summer of this year, the General Manager of Ducati Corse, Gigi Dall’Igna, told SPEEDWEEK.com that only two...
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According to motorcyclesports, Berier gave an interview to Speedweek that everyone is inboard with 850cc. Aprilia was the main holdout, but the Noale-based manufacturer has relented according to Berier.

Still looking for the source article. Not sure how reliable this reporting is or if the MSMA are just floating a trial balloon to get info from the fans. Time will tell.

I’m neither for or against. Much more important items than engine displacement. In a different interview, Berier also claims MotoGP will follow F1 by having the manufacturers supply engines and the teams supply chassis and bodywork.

Edit: Original article on Speedweek Werke sind sich einig: MotoGP-WM 2027 mit 850 ccm

Speedweek needs to work on their English search engine SEO now that we have German speakers in the MSMA.
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With the costs involved in developing aerodynamics and frame flex wouldn't it be cheaper just to lease last years bike?
 
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With Marc Marquez's poor bike control skills, he surely will suffer plenty of crashes failing to adapt to 850cc bikes.

This ONE TRICK PONY Marc Marquez will never be able to adapt to 850cc.
 
mylexicon said:
Still looking for the source article. Not sure how reliable this reporting is or if the MSMA are just floating a trial balloon to get info from the fans. Time will tell.
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It's from Speedweek so it's not reliable at all.
I'm still hopeful they keep the 1000cc engines beyond 2026.
 
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JFM01 said:
It's from Speedweek so it's not reliable at all.
I'm still hopeful they keep the 1000cc engines beyond 2026.
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It's better to reduce the capacity to 850cc to help poor skilled riders like Marc Marquez handle the bike better.
 
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They said this with the 800s and what happened was corner speeds went up so much that it had little effect on top speed.

Aero on the other hand, let's then ride the crest at nugello without lifting....
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Marc Marquez does not have the skill to master the higher cornering speed of 850cc, expect to see plenty of crashes from Marc Marquez.
 
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They said this with the 800s and what happened was corner speeds went up so much that it had little effect on top speed.

Aero on the other hand, let's then ride the crest at nugello without lifting....
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Agree.

Remove aero, remove lowering devices front and rear, wind back the electronics some more.

Further, limiting the brake power, increases the braking zones and reintroduces the classic overtaking opportunities.
 
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The 800 era sucked. Its an engine that has nothing to do with production bikes so they need to be made from scratch. Making the cost higher and making it less relevant to be a part of. As everyone agrees remove aero and lowering devices is far more important than changing displacement. They are probably going to add drs zones too. ....... dipshits.
 
JFM01 said:
It's from Speedweek so it's not reliable at all.
I'm still hopeful they keep the 1000cc engines beyond 2026.
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They have direct quotes around the 850cc displacement change, and I found the source article. If it turns out not to be true, I think Berier would be the problem. We'll see. The article doesn't claim that the changes are already in the 2027 tech regs.
 
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They said this with the 800s and what happened was corner speeds went up so much that it had little effect on top speed.

Aero on the other hand, let's then ride the crest at nugello without lifting....
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True, let hope the control tire will actually control performance a bit. That outcome relies on Michelin or whoever to get it right, and it relies on the governing body to actually shoot down systems that cause a shift in the performance capabilities of the bikes.

In this era wings and ride height are pushing the bikes beyond the supposed performance threshold. Sucks that "managing" performance is something that needs to be done, but the manufacturers started an unhealthy relationship with aero and active suspension.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
The 800 era sucked. Its an engine that has nothing to do with production bikes so they need to be made from scratch. Making the cost higher and making it less relevant to be a part of. As everyone agrees remove aero and lowering devices is far more important than changing displacement. They are probably going to add drs zones too. ....... dipshits.
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You got it wrong, couldn't be more wrong.

Not everyone agrees that removing aero and lowering devices are the most important steps....
Only every Marc Marquez fan boys agree that removing aero and lowering devices is important,... that's because their ONE TRICK PONY idol Marc Marquez can't adapt to new riding technique of aero or lowering device...
And the new style motogp bike gave Marc Marquez big crash in Jerez 2020 as his poor bike control skills can't handle the aero n ride height dependent bike.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Agree.

Remove aero, remove lowering devices front and rear, wind back the electronics some more.

Further, limiting the brake power, increases the braking zones and reintroduces the classic overtaking opportunities.
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Forget about all these changes, with Marc Marquez low talents and skills, whatever changes made to the rules, he will still be far away from the top riders.
Nothing to do with rules, the best will always rise to the top...
And the lucky ones like Marc will continue to look hopeless once he doesn't have the most dominant bikes.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
The 800 era sucked. Its an engine that has nothing to do with production bikes so they need to be made from scratch. Making the cost higher and making it less relevant to be a part of. As everyone agrees remove aero and lowering devices is far more important than changing displacement. They are probably going to add drs zones too. ....... dipshits.
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I actually liked the 800cc engines. The formula of that era was mediocre, but I was one of the few (IIRC) who wanted them to stay with 800cc and fix the formula, rather than moving to 1000cc, which caused Suzuki to withdraw. When Suzuki returned, it was sans V4.

At first I presumed the manufactures were merely going to de-stroke the engines, and perhaps maintain some of the homologate block measurements from the 1000s to keep costs down, but 81mm bore at 850cc would correspond with 41.25mm bore, which would allow roughly 19,000rpm and 250hp. That would put the sport back in the same mess they had with the 800s, but with even more potential power. Unless they are going to reduce fuel capacity (or fuel density with the new biofuel) and impose some sort of rev limit, I'm not sure how they can keep performance under control.

It seems like 850cc will be clean sheet, maybe 78mm x 44.5mm, which would allow rpm around 17,500 and bhp around 230? I don't really see the point of a clean sheet like this. Just keep the 1000s.
 
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Birdbird said:
You got it wrong, couldn't be more wrong.

Not everyone agrees that removing aero and lowering devices are the most important steps....
Only every Marc Marquez fan boys agree that removing aero and lowering devices is important,... that's because their ONE TRICK PONY idol Marc Marquez can't adapt to new riding technique of aero or lowering device...
And the new style motogp bike gave Marc Marquez big crash in Jerez 2020 as his poor bike control skills can't handle the aero n ride height dependent bike.
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Well if you said I am wrong it must be true. Because your opinion is so valid and fact based. I stand corrected.

Hate on hater.
 
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mylexicon said:
I actually liked the 800cc engines. The formula of that era was mediocre, but I was one of the few (IIRC) who wanted them to stay with 800cc and fix the formula, rather than moving to 1000cc, which caused Suzuki to withdraw. When Suzuki returned, it was sans V4.

At first I presumed the manufactures were merely going to de-stroke the engines, and perhaps maintain some of the homologate block measurements from the 1000s to keep costs down, but 81mm bore at 850cc would correspond with 41.25mm bore, which would allow roughly 19,000rpm and 250hp. That would put the sport back in the same mess they had with the 800s, but with even more potential power. Unless they are going to reduce fuel capacity (or fuel density with the new biofuel) and impose some sort of rev limit, I'm not sure how they can keep performance under control.

It seems like 850cc will be clean sheet, maybe 78mm x 44.5mm, which would allow rpm around 17,500 and bhp around 230? I don't really see the point of a clean sheet like this. Just keep the 1000s.
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Great insight as always Lex.
 

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