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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jul 8 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah to me he hasn't done any egregius act to Nicky at all. He ...... up at Estoril and took down another rider, it was unfortunate that the other rider was his teammate but it happens all the time. He did act as a teammate the next race staying put behind Nicky to maximise Nicky's title chances and it all worked fine.
All the nonsense about antics and .... talking I wont ever bother discussing I completely disgree, everything I've hear him say in all his career is what any other rider would say, maybe you should read something else than superbikeplanet et al that seem so biased and false I wonder it they were written by Nicky's mom.
I don't know if HRC developed the 07 bike to suit Dani (I really doubt it since this projects start more than a year before they are on track, and by the time Dani wasn't even in MotoGP) but anyway if they fine tuned the design to suit Dani I find a very reasonable thing to do since it became obvious to them, and to all the rest of the world (that isn't a Nicky fan) who was the better rider for the future.
As you correctly quoted I said faster, not better, Nicky was the better overall rider in 2006 (I mean between teammates, obviously Rossi was better).
Oh and by the way, Dani is a 3x world champion, which is far from "NOT winning jack ....", I will not write an example of what not winning jack .... is cause I don't have anything against Nicky and it would be cruel to him to point the finger at him just to piss you off like you pretend to do the other way round.
I wish Nicky the best, he seems a decent guy and and he is a good rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 8 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anybody really believe the hayden thing, whilst strategically unsound in the circumstances at the very least, was anything other than an attempt to beat hayden in that race? It was also his first season, and most if not all have taken out other riders in their careers, although doing so to your own team-mate is admittedly less common. The other point if honda are as malevolent as is perceived to be the case by many, including me to an extent, is that honda may not have issued any team orders.
Mike & Teo, its rather absurd to think that the crash was simply trying to beat your teammate. Have you and the rest who think it was just a "racing incident" forgotten that this was the penultimate round going into the last race showdown with rival Rossi Yamaha & co. Peders was only trying to make a selfish statement spawned by jealousy, entitlement, and arrogance because Hayden had stolen his thunder and wanted the attention back on himself; nothing more nothing less! I’ve never said he crashed into Hayden on purpose, what I am saying is he knew what was at stake and ignored it. He came as close to sabotaging and crashing on purpose as one can get because of a his character flaw. Honda may not have given team orders because as dumb as they are they never dreamed that Peders would have jeopardized a championship. Teo says that it wasn't decisive? Well of course, in hindsight. Whoever subscribes to this logic then believes this is relevant. Well then, had it not turned out that Nicky won, this would have been magically irrelevant? Think of this logic. If it’s relevant then it’s relevant regardless of the outcome.
Obviously most his countryman are gonna say it was just a racing incident to support their man, I suppose the same could be said about Americans. However, there has been plenty on the record after that incident, and it has always pointed to Peder’s sense of arrogant entitlement thus confirming for me what I had already surmised. Turning a blind eye to his continuous arrogant quotes and .... talking toward his teammate is simply head-in-the-sand bias. There are enough quotes and antics to support the notion that Pedrosa is an arrogant fool who would do whatever it takes, even when realistically eliminated from the title, to prove a selfish point as he did in Portugal.
Teo says Peders got in line the next race, well no ...., considering what was at stake in that final showdown! But it wasn’t because he was Mr. Prudent Guy all of a sudden, but for a moment the world got a glimpse of the ....... he really was and is and he backed down for the moment (I'm sure somebody at Honda in a moment of clarity realized the laughing stock they had become and tried to save face.) But go trying to rewrite history saying he was a model citizen is rather pathetic.
Teo, that pretty clever of you taking a dig at Nicky's mom (not sure why you included her into the discussion, perhaps your reverting to your younger years), while your guy has a grown man like Aberto Puig who is so detached from reality that he came out and said (in no uncertain terms) that the crash was Hayden's fault! This is the type of man who whispers in Peder's ear. What effect might that have do you think? Well I'll answer; it fosters the character of an arrogant fool detached from reality. It kicker is, they have bamboozled HRC into this game. At the moment Rossi and Stoner have his number, and when Lorenzo gets healthy he will also chime in. Like I said, Peders is fast but why wouldn’t he be, afterall, he's pretty much had it his way, even when he ...... up royally.
Oh, and when I said he hadn’t won jack ...., I was talking about a MotoGP title. Unless Peders can handle a dirt-track bike (they are standard and not made for jocky’s) then lets not go counting previous titles shall we. You can believe that the lower classes mean something, but if you do that, then feel free to pile on Hayden’s “lower” class titles as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don't know if HRC developed the 07 bike to suit Dani
This pretty much says everything I need to know about your touch with reality and knowledge of the sport.
All the nonsense about antics and .... talking I wont ever bother discussing I completely disgree, everything I've hear him say in all his career is what any other rider would say, maybe you should read something else than superbikeplanet et al that seem so biased and false I wonder it they were written by Nicky's mom.
I don't know if HRC developed the 07 bike to suit Dani (I really doubt it since this projects start more than a year before they are on track, and by the time Dani wasn't even in MotoGP) but anyway if they fine tuned the design to suit Dani I find a very reasonable thing to do since it became obvious to them, and to all the rest of the world (that isn't a Nicky fan) who was the better rider for the future.
As you correctly quoted I said faster, not better, Nicky was the better overall rider in 2006 (I mean between teammates, obviously Rossi was better).
Oh and by the way, Dani is a 3x world champion, which is far from "NOT winning jack ....", I will not write an example of what not winning jack .... is cause I don't have anything against Nicky and it would be cruel to him to point the finger at him just to piss you off like you pretend to do the other way round.
I wish Nicky the best, he seems a decent guy and and he is a good rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 8 2008, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anybody really believe the hayden thing, whilst strategically unsound in the circumstances at the very least, was anything other than an attempt to beat hayden in that race? It was also his first season, and most if not all have taken out other riders in their careers, although doing so to your own team-mate is admittedly less common. The other point if honda are as malevolent as is perceived to be the case by many, including me to an extent, is that honda may not have issued any team orders.
Mike & Teo, its rather absurd to think that the crash was simply trying to beat your teammate. Have you and the rest who think it was just a "racing incident" forgotten that this was the penultimate round going into the last race showdown with rival Rossi Yamaha & co. Peders was only trying to make a selfish statement spawned by jealousy, entitlement, and arrogance because Hayden had stolen his thunder and wanted the attention back on himself; nothing more nothing less! I’ve never said he crashed into Hayden on purpose, what I am saying is he knew what was at stake and ignored it. He came as close to sabotaging and crashing on purpose as one can get because of a his character flaw. Honda may not have given team orders because as dumb as they are they never dreamed that Peders would have jeopardized a championship. Teo says that it wasn't decisive? Well of course, in hindsight. Whoever subscribes to this logic then believes this is relevant. Well then, had it not turned out that Nicky won, this would have been magically irrelevant? Think of this logic. If it’s relevant then it’s relevant regardless of the outcome.
Obviously most his countryman are gonna say it was just a racing incident to support their man, I suppose the same could be said about Americans. However, there has been plenty on the record after that incident, and it has always pointed to Peder’s sense of arrogant entitlement thus confirming for me what I had already surmised. Turning a blind eye to his continuous arrogant quotes and .... talking toward his teammate is simply head-in-the-sand bias. There are enough quotes and antics to support the notion that Pedrosa is an arrogant fool who would do whatever it takes, even when realistically eliminated from the title, to prove a selfish point as he did in Portugal.
Teo says Peders got in line the next race, well no ...., considering what was at stake in that final showdown! But it wasn’t because he was Mr. Prudent Guy all of a sudden, but for a moment the world got a glimpse of the ....... he really was and is and he backed down for the moment (I'm sure somebody at Honda in a moment of clarity realized the laughing stock they had become and tried to save face.) But go trying to rewrite history saying he was a model citizen is rather pathetic.
Teo, that pretty clever of you taking a dig at Nicky's mom (not sure why you included her into the discussion, perhaps your reverting to your younger years), while your guy has a grown man like Aberto Puig who is so detached from reality that he came out and said (in no uncertain terms) that the crash was Hayden's fault! This is the type of man who whispers in Peder's ear. What effect might that have do you think? Well I'll answer; it fosters the character of an arrogant fool detached from reality. It kicker is, they have bamboozled HRC into this game. At the moment Rossi and Stoner have his number, and when Lorenzo gets healthy he will also chime in. Like I said, Peders is fast but why wouldn’t he be, afterall, he's pretty much had it his way, even when he ...... up royally.
Oh, and when I said he hadn’t won jack ...., I was talking about a MotoGP title. Unless Peders can handle a dirt-track bike (they are standard and not made for jocky’s) then lets not go counting previous titles shall we. You can believe that the lower classes mean something, but if you do that, then feel free to pile on Hayden’s “lower” class titles as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don't know if HRC developed the 07 bike to suit Dani
This pretty much says everything I need to know about your touch with reality and knowledge of the sport.
