How can you rate Spies above Pedrosa for the reasons you list above. Yes he has been a high achiever outside of motogp, but Pedrosa is a 3 time consecutive world champion, his record speaks for itself. Not to mention his considerably superior achievements in motogp. Dani won 2 races in his rookie season, was a contender until the penultimate round and runner up the following year, i doubt Spies will be. I'm not knocking Ben, i'm just pointing out that Dani Pedrosa cannot be overlooked compared to ANY of the other riders, he IS a possible world champion.
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How can you rate Spies above Pedrosa for the reasons you list above. Yes he has been a high achiever outside of motogp, but Pedrosa is a 3 time consecutive world champion, his record speaks for itself. Not to mention his considerably superior achievements in motogp. Dani won 2 races in his rookie season, was a contender until the penultimate round and runner up the following year, i doubt Spies will be. I'm not knocking Ben, i'm just pointing out that Dani Pedrosa cannot be overlooked compared to ANY of the other riders, he IS a possible world champion.
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I have not explained myself well despite trying. I think Pedrosa is a great rider. I do not think he is a rider that will go out and win a WC despite the odds. In my opinion he requires everything perfect and other riders to fail for him to win over the course of a season. Is he a better rider than Spies? Yes. But I rate Spies as a rider who can go and win a WC off other riders against the odds. Will he win a MotoGP WC? At the moment I would say it is hard to see it but that doesn't change my opinion that he has the right stuff to WIN a WC.
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Indeed! There's still plenty of time for Dani's control freak manager to do something stupid and torpedo his season!
I'll offer 50/50 odds that Puig does something as dumb as Sachsenring before the year is out.
I think their Mid-season tyre switch added significantly to costing them the title, Dani wasn't quick enough on the BS's, which is completely understandable, However I also feel as though they wouldn't have won it with Michelin either back then. And their performance in 2009 also re-enforced 2008
That's nonsense. Mid-season tyre switch had nothing to do with them losing the title. After Pedrosa got injured in Germany it was all over as far as the title was concerned. Rossi was second in Germany (20pts), then Pedrosa missed Laguna which Rossi won (25 points), and then at Brno Rossi won again (25 points) while Pedrosa finished down in 15th. He was probably some 60 points back then and there is no way he could have come back from that points deficit with 6 races to go.
Dani had lots of injuries in past seasons. If he can stay injury free, he has great chance to win a title. JL and Casey are the contenders. Machine wise, Honda is better than Yamaha, and Stoner is fast year on Honda, so he may struggle on setup when the weather is fickle like Estoril. Overall, he is at the strongest contender. The question is how he can cope the pressure when he fights in tight championship point margin.
My point is that its all relative. I am aware of the reputations they have but Ben's rep was established elswhere, if you compare that to the reputation that Dani established elswhere it isn't even close. In motogp Pedrosa when everything isn't right is still about where Ben is on a good day, and when Dani gets it right he is the best rider in the world, the same cannot be said about Ben at this point.
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I agree with what Julian Ryder wrote recently:
I also read an item from Nakamoto where he said:
I sort of understand how Stoner might focus Pedrosa a little more, but I don't figure Pedrosa for the kind of rider who just wants to beat his teammate -- he wants the WC. As Ryder said, Pedrosa's form really picked up from around Indianapolis last year, and that had nothing to do with Stoner but with Honda finally sorting out the chassis issues they started the year with.
I think for the first time, Pedrosa has a bike that was ready from the first round, and now that he has his health (fingers crossed) he's either going to be the rider with the most race wins and no WC, or he'll finally get that monkey off his back. And I don't doubt he'll be fast on the 1000cc bikes also.
I also read an item from Nakamoto where he said:
I sort of understand how Stoner might focus Pedrosa a little more, but I don't figure Pedrosa for the kind of rider who just wants to beat his teammate -- he wants the WC. As Ryder said, Pedrosa's form really picked up from around Indianapolis last year, and that had nothing to do with Stoner but with Honda finally sorting out the chassis issues they started the year with.
I think for the first time, Pedrosa has a bike that was ready from the first round, and now that he has his health (fingers crossed) he's either going to be the rider with the most race wins and no WC, or he'll finally get that monkey off his back. And I don't doubt he'll be fast on the 1000cc bikes also.
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Very insightful well supported post. I agree with all points made
so you believe that Dani would have won the 2008 world title if he didn't get injured in Germany whether he was to stay with Michelin or switch to bs?
I don't .
Topicheadline: my prediction from the start...but keep in mind stoner was taken out...a lot of points...but also keep in mind pedrosas still not at 100% but only some points behind lorenzo!
I still think he can do it and if he does i really think he deserves it this year.
cant believe I like him today...
I still think he can do it and if he does i really think he deserves it this year.
cant believe I like him today...
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Even if Midget Pedrosa won........ he still wouldn't be consider a 'true' champion. His riding style is weak and lacks in alot of areas. I've yet to see him come out of a duel on top.
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I guess you're only looking at MotoGP; fair enough, except that by that logic Lorenzo is an untrue champion, since Jerez'10 had more to do with the Honda's fuel sensor than Lorenzo's awesomeness/Pedrosa's weakness.
And your definition of "duel" is a little narrow if it didn't include last Sunday's race.
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i wish i could ride as .... as pedrosa......
i think many people do.
i'd like to agree with the comment about believing he would have won in 2008 if it wasnt for injury, but you just cant say can you. now i'm a huge Pedrosa fan, but i have to admit i'd almost counted him out as a possible motogp champ after 2007/8, i thought those were his chances - not really sure why, because of casey and jorge being so strong perhaps. I'm glad i am wrong, 4 wins last year and he seems back on top form now the arm's (fingers crossed) sorted, i'd like to see him as champion. Dani always seems plagued by injury that holds him back, hopefully he'll stay injury free and we will see a Ped/Lor battle, with a bit of Stoner for good measure, that would be ace.
