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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 2 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No you remind me more of a fox, although sly and cunning, you're still on the bottom of the canine totem pole scavenging for scraps that others leave behind.
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thats 2 posts tonight from you i like, your on fire man
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 2 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No you remind me more of a fox, although sly and cunning, you're still on the bottom of the canine totem pole scavenging for scraps that others leave behind.

Shinya, I'm flattered.

Seriously, maybe I'm not an apex predator but I'm a predator all the same.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 2 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And that will go in my signature.

Did you like the Messianic reference immediately after I denied that my ideas are the stuff of religion?

I thought it was quite good too
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you like the Messianic reference immediately after I denied that my ideas are the stuff of religion?
Yeah the irony of that was good. Mostly I just found it funny that you were taking on the responsibility of protecting us from the kool-aid and likening it to wolves.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well as i said everything has to go through dorna. you assume rossi went directly to dorna. he more than likley asked yam who asked dorna then when the answer came back no rossi said to yam "ok ill resign" making yam go back to dorna then dorna asking for a meting with rossi. see we can all assume stuff.
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dont end up like tom trying to pass your thoughts off as facts mate.
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I thought that was lex's invention from the start.
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but then again, maybe that was what you ment by that Laugh?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 2 2008, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah the irony of that was good. Mostly I just found it funny that you were taking on the responsibility of protecting us from the kool-aid and likening it to wolves.

That's right, I don't let the sheep drink Kool-Aid. It makes them hyperactive and it ruins their coat.

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Jeez I'm so bored.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is my very point, i said it earlier Dani's move was less publicly drawn out. The motorcycling media is just as prominent now as they were a year ago, but Dani and the other people involved gave the media less time and less material to make light of the situation, hence why it was better handled.
And what was this suposed to mean:
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Also, its not particularly fair of you to use the old "media just blew it out of proportion" or "made a load of guesses as to what was said" thing for Rossi without appreciating that Dani has that same media covering his latest moves.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And what was this suposed to mean:
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Well the journalists are still here, they are still covering all the stories they can, just as they were when Rossi switched. But as Dani's tyre change has been less publicly drawn out, the media have less to write and less time to write it. Do you get that, or is there something in particular you don't understand?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the journalists are still here, they are still covering all the stories they can, just as they were when Rossi switched. But as Dani's tyre change has been less publicly drawn out, the media have less to write and less time to write it. Do you get that, or is there something in particular you don't understand?
because dani is far far far less popular rider than rossi. dani info does not sell like rossi info and you cant blame rossi for that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because dani is far far far less popular rider than rossi. dani info does not sell like rossi info and you cant blame rossi for that.

Well Rossis stature in the sport and communication with the media is no accident, and it has opened many doors for him and gained him advantages, some of the consequences may be negative and he must deal with that too. Dani choses to be less media friendly, this carries pros and cons but its his approach and thats fine too. Dani is still heavily covered as he is one of three main players in the championship, and the media are very fond of building his image as the enemy, so stories like this are just what they are looking for.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the journalists are still here, they are still covering all the stories they can, just as they were when Rossi switched. But as Dani's tyre change has been less publicly drawn out, the media have less to write and less time to write it. Do you get that, or is there something in particular you don't understand?

What! this is still a huge heap of crap tom. The journos are still here but don't come here and say they have been anywhere close to "blowing it out of proportion" or "made a load of guesses as to what was said". I'd say it was pretty damned fair of Roger to "drag that in". So I don't know who lack the understanding but what you say certainly doesn't make any sense to me, what so ever.
Still anything I didn't get?
 
I've scanned and read most of the post on the Dani's tyre change.
Noone has mentioned that Alberto Puig was the ring leader and champion of the Michelin boycott.

Dani moaned and complained and Puig played his part.
I disagree with the idea that there is not a conspiracy for Dani to get Bridgestones or that there are different tyres for the top riders.

Dani played the exact same cards that Rossi played. He used his leverage to get what he wanted.

Michelin is trying to stay in the top class or at least save face and leave on their own terms. Michelin did not want to leave under a mutiny from their riders - that would be a disgrace.

I believe the writing on the wall for the spec tyre movement was written a little earlier. If there is any chance for Michelin to stay in the top class it will be on

1) On the new Emerging teams
2) Pray for Split Garages ala Rossi/Lorenzo, Pedrosa/Hayden (Dovi)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Sep 3 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've scanned and read most of the post on the Dani's tyre change.
Noone has mentioned that Alberto Puig was the ring leader and champion of the Michelin boycott.

Dani moaned and complained and Puig played his part.
I disagree with the idea that there is not a conspiracy for Dani to get Bridgestones or that there are different tyres for the top riders.

Dani played the exact same cards that Rossi played. He used his leverage to get what he wanted.

Michelin is trying to stay in the top class or at least save face and leave on their own terms. Michelin did not want to leave under a mutiny from their riders - that would be a disgrace.

I believe the writing on the wall for the spec tyre movement was written a little earlier. If there is any chance for Michelin to stay in the top class it will be on

1) On the new Emerging teams
2) Pray for Split Garages ala Rossi/Lorenzo, Pedrosa/Hayden (Dovi)
i want to learn to rad then mate. i stated several times about puig canvassing teams to boycott races
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Sep 2 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michelin is trying to stay in the top class or at least save face and leave on their own terms. Michelin did not want to leave under a mutiny from their riders - that would be a disgrace.
Oh, you mean unlike leaving because your product is ....?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What! this is still a huge heap of crap tom. The journos are still here but don't come here and say they have been anywhere close to "blowing it out of proportion" or "made a load of guesses as to what was said". I'd say it was pretty damned fair of Roger to "drag that in". So I don't know who lack the understanding but what you say certainly doesn't make any sense to me, what so ever.
Still anything I didn't get?

So you believe that Dani's tyre switch was as publicly and drawn out as Rossi's, but the media just let it slide and didn't bother making a fuss about it because he is less popular?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you believe that Dani's tyre switch was as publicly and drawn out as Rossi's, but the media just let it slide and didn't bother making a fuss about it because he is less popular?

No I belive they were blowing it out of proportion and made a load of guesses as to what was said.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 3 2008, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I belive they were blowing it out of proportion and made a load of guesses as to what was said.

I understand that you think the media "were blowing it out of proportion and made a load of guesses as to what was said" with regards to Rossi's tyre change. But what i am asking you is, why do you believe that when Dani changed tyres they decided not to do these things? Why would they give him a break, he is the second most covered rider on the grid, the main hope of a major nation in the sport, and a reputation as the enemy. Why would the media not take the same approach to reporting Dani's tyre change as they did Rossi's and as they do to every other story they can get their hands on.
 
I can't seem to find any press release from Bridgestone since the move... All we have reported is that Dani was fast on practice, Repsol claimed responsibility for the switch, and that apparently, Dani was thankful to Michelin and they parted in 'good terms' ... Why no, "we cannot supply additional riders in the grid as we are at our maximum capacity, but we make exception because we were forced too" or something like "having Dani on board will give us more data so we can kick Michelin out of the sport for good" or something...
 

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