Pedrosa improves on first outing on B-stones

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ever said to your boss "give me a rise or i will leave" ? its up to your boss whether he says ok or .... off and it was your right to ask and jack if he says .... off !

Depends....is this boss a woman or a man? if it's a woman than sure she can give me a 'rise'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>......... rossi told dorna that he would rather leave than ride michilin midpack and he like everyone else is entitled to jack there job if there not happy. he did not involve other teams by asking them to boycott races. it was dorna who for what ever reason did not want rossi to leave and got bridgestones. after all rossi contracts were up so that was the appropriate to change or leave. rossi didnt say much about it in public, the media made a load od guesses as to what was said and ran with it. dani and hrc have been a lot more public about it than rossi was.

So Rossi is allowed to make threats and demands but Dani is not, thats great

The boycott idea (whoever it originally sourced from) was silly and I can only wonder what the fallout would have been if it had happened, but of course it didn't happen and all the Michelin riders did race. Also, its not particularly fair of you to use the old "media just blew it out of proportion" or "made a load of guesses as to what was said" thing for Rossi without appreciating that Dani has that same media covering his latest moves.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you're more or less suggesting that Valentino Rossi is an employee of DORNA?

I knew you'd come around. I'm glad to know you acknowledge the truth even if it is only in your subconscious mind.

Oh bless youre so desperate to make it work ,you know by doing all this conspiracy .... youre demeaning Nickys championship by saying he only beat someone who simply does as Dorna bid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 2 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh bless youre so desperate to make it work ,you know by doing all this conspiracy .... youre demeaning Nickys championship by saying he only beat someone who simply does as Dorna bid.

You've got it all wrong, its a conspiracy when Rossi wins, but if he loses it was just dorna slipping up because someone else was better than they expected

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 2 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh bless youre so desperate to make it work ,you know by doing all this conspiracy .... youre demeaning Nickys championship by saying he only beat someone who simply does as Dorna bid.

No I'm elevating his championship b/c he bet the man who controls DORNA.

I'm not desperate to prove anything. As Roger has shown the truth lies dormant in the subconscious. I can't help his Freudian slips, but I'm not going to let them go unnoticed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You've got it all wrong, its a conspiracy when Rossi wins, but if he loses it was just dorna slipping up because someone else was better than they expected


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I'm elevating his championship b/c he bet the man who controls DORNA.

I'm not desperate to prove anything. As Roger has shown the truth lies dormant in the subconscious. I can't help his Freudian slips, but I'm not going to let them go unnoticed.

OMG i was right!!

The answers are so easy to find when you just build them to suit yourself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I'm elevating his championship b/c he bet the man who controls DORNA.

I'm not desperate to prove anything. As Roger has shown the truth lies dormant in the subconscious. I can't help his Freudian slips, but I'm not going to let them go unnoticed.
So Nicky has the power to overcome ahuuuuge conspiracy and Rossi who was the greates rider by himself till Dorna corrupted him (right my lexi),but these last 2 seasons hes been overcome by a 5kg manchild???righhtttt

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OMG i was right!!

The answers are so easy to find when you just build them to suit yourself.

How is a conspiracy suiting me. I'm a Hayden fan and Hayden hasn't been affected by the changes. I've maintained that the only loss has been incurred by Stoner. I don't care about Stoner. I've recently lamented that is mint performances haven't given him another championship and I've taken shots at Rossi for playing stupid games with DORNA.

I've been for spec/control tire from the get go. If anything my claims of conspiracy have tarnished a beneficial change. If anything my conspiracy theory has given ammunition to the people who claim that DORNA will mess with the tires if a single supplier control tire is adopted.

I'm doing you a favor Tom, but your vanity prevents you from utilizing it.

Classic.

Why am I forced to coach people through this debate? I'm so good I have to argue both sides?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 07:45 PM)
No I'm elevating his championship b/c he bet the man who controls DORNA.

I'm not desperate to prove anything. As Roger has shown the truth lies dormant in the subconscious. I can't help his Freudian slips, but I'm not going to let them go unnoticed.

at the end of the day lex, yam pay rossi's pay cheques but its dorna's show, so any changes have to go through dorna before there made, its nothing to do with rossi working for dorna as you suggested.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its nothing to do with rossi working for dorna as you suggested.

I didn't suggest it. You did when you likened Rossi's tire change to asking one's boss for a raise.

You did all the hard work for me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Rossi is allowed to make threats and demands but Dani is not, thats great

The boycott idea (whoever it originally sourced from) was silly and I can only wonder what the fallout would have been if it had happened, but of course it didn't happen and all the Michelin riders did race. Also, its not particularly fair of you to use the old "media just blew it out of proportion" or "made a load of guesses as to what was said" thing for Rossi without appreciating that Dani has that same media covering his latest moves.

First of all, I don't mind Pedrosa change tires. Seems like Michelin are done in MotoGp and our main worrie should be Tech3, not what Pedrosa does. But:

To say Pedrosa got the same coverage is just rubbish tom. First of all, the timeframe simply doesn't allow it. It happened over this weekend with only mild speculations as to why Nakano were given the factory bike before that. With Rossi it took weeks, and add another few weeks of debate afterwards. To gather all that were written and speculated around Rossi and his tire change would take weeks, to gather Pedrosa material now would take a few hours. That's about the relationship, give or take a few minutes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't suggest it. You did when you likened Rossi's tire change to asking one's boss for a raise.

You did all the hard work for me.
well as i said everything has to go through dorna. you assume rossi went directly to dorna. he more than likley asked yam who asked dorna then when the answer came back no rossi said to yam "ok ill resign" making yam go back to dorna then dorna asking for a meting with rossi. see we can all assume stuff. dont end up like tom trying to pass your thoughts off as facts mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How is a conspiracy suiting me. I'm a Hayden fan and Hayden hasn't been affected by the changes. I've maintained that the only loss has been incurred by Stoner. I don't care about Stoner. I've recently lamented that is mint performances haven't given him another championship and I've taken shots at Rossi for playing stupid games with DORNA.

I've been for spec/control tire from the get go. If anything my claims of conspiracy have tarnished a beneficial change. If anything my conspiracy theory has given ammunition to the people who claim that DORNA will mess with the tires if a single supplier control tire is adopted.

I'm doing you a favor Tom, but your vanity prevents you from utilizing it.

Classic.

Why am I forced to coach people through this debate? I'm so good I have to argue both sides?

This is almost like you are starting a religion. I don't think i have ever seen you discuss any events or any of your thoughts, it seems you are just waiting for everyone else to finally "realise" that the opinion you chose is actually a factual.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To say Pedrosa got the same coverage is just rubbish tom. First of all, the timeframe simply doesn't allow it. It happened over this weekend with only mild speculations as to why Nakano were given the factory bike before that. With Rossi it took weeks, and add another few weeks of debate afterwards. To gather all that were written and speculated around Rossi and his tire change would take weeks, to gather Pedrosa material now would take a few hours. That's about the relationship, give or take a few minutes

That is my very point, i said it earlier Dani's move was less publicly drawn out. The motorcycling media is just as prominent now as they were a year ago, but Dani and the other people involved gave the media less time and less material to make light of the situation, hence why it was better handled.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is almost like you are starting a religion. I don't think i have ever seen you discuss any events or any of your thoughts, it seems you are just waiting for everyone else to finally "realise" that the opinion you chose is actually a factual.
do you know how funny that is coming from you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is almost like you are starting a religion. I don't think i have ever seen you discuss any events or any of your thoughts, it seems you are just waiting for everyone else to finally "realise" that the opinion you chose is actually a factual.

So ideas gleaned from empirical evidence, a wide variety of first hand reports, and logic are the stuff of "religion", but drinking the marketing Kool-aid and blindly believing everything you read in the rule book is "non-religious".



I am the shepherd keeping you from the wolves.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>do you know how funny that is coming from you

I know how easily amused you are

I'm not trying to convince anyone to share my opinions, it means nothing to me, but discussing our opinions is great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So ideas gleaned from empirical evidence, a wide variety of first hand reports, and logic are the stuff of "religion",

We see the evidence you see, and draw conclusions that fit with what we believe just as you do. But few others are willing to disgard such a large amount of evidence as "marketting kool-aid" while using evidence from the same sources to draw conclusions so far from accepted logic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So ideas gleaned from empirical evidence, a wide variety of first hand reports, and logic are the stuff of "religion", but drinking the marketing Kool-aid and blindly believing everything you read in the rule book is "non-religious".



I am the shepherd keeping you from the wolves.

No you remind me more of a fox, although sly and cunning, you're still on the bottom of the canine totem pole scavenging for scraps that others leave behind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am the shepherd keeping you from the wolves.
And that will go in my signature.