Pedrosa improves on first outing on B-stones

I'm disappointed Valentino never got this deal to switch sooner, last season he was trying to fight back but couldn't.

Dani's chances of winning this year... and next year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (leon @ Sep 2 2008, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But, definitely I am not ignoring the mental comfort or psychological effect that Stones will bring in Dani's mind. But, I guess it is about trust and believing. You can do great things if you believe in something. And I guess Dani has more belief in Stones rather than Michelins.

For sure, we've seen it all before with Rossi and now its happening again. We know how the story worked out for Vale, but Dani doesn't have a team as recognized as JB and co so predicting how much he'll improve is tough.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Sep 2 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm disappointed Valentino never got this deal to switch sooner, last season he was trying to fight back but couldn't.

For sure it is better for Dani to switch now then at the end of the season, but i think the motivation is preperation for 2009 now.

Well considering how long it took Rossi to get that quick with the Bstones I'm really looking forward to the next race see what Dani can do with Bstones, and hope he can get the tailored ones soon like Casey and Rossi to be in same conditions.

Michelin has digged their own grave, you cannot tell your clients you will give them a .... product in Brno one month before the race and tell them you will not fix it and that amount of time.

To the reasons added to difference of performance I would add the fact that Michelin knowing that Dani was leaving probably gave him a farewell gift in form of the shittiest tyres they had in the truck for the Misano race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For sure it is better for Dani to switch now then at the end of the season, but i think the motivation is preperation for 2009 now.

yea its definately gonna help, i just think it would have been professional to see out the season with what you started.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Sep 2 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i just think it would have been professional to see out the season with what you started.

Doing that would have produced nothing positive for anyone concerned, so why keep going.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Doing that would have produced nothing positive for anyone concerned, so why keep going.
no your right, it wouldnt have done anything positive because dani is a quitter. michilin tried to help at brno but dani could not give a ...., he went to sun himself on puigs boat instead. the fact you agree with it and see no wrong is a reason for me never to enter into any contracts with you. dani needs a lesson in loyalty and morality. i wonder how many jobs have been lost at michilin now because of this contract being ended early.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Sep 2 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well considering how long it took Rossi to get that quick with the Bstones I'm really looking forward to the next race see what Dani can do with Bstones, and hope he can get the tailored ones soon like Casey and Rossi to be in same conditions.

You mean those tailored for MotoGP bikes? I'm sure he gets them straight away. Rossi and Stoner used the exact same tires last race, and with the open policy of Bridgestone we will know exactly what all three ride on. Tailoring was Michelins thing, Bridgestone's main path to success came with last years "pick up two compunds and pray one of them work at race day" regulation. They make fantastic allround tires that work in a broad temperature range and a wide range of bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>To the reasons added to difference of performance I would add the fact that Michelin knowing that Dani was leaving probably gave him a farewell gift in form of the shittiest tyres they had in the truck for the Misano race.
First of all, the tires are picked out on thursday or friday
Secondly the teams pick them (allthough assited by their asigned michelin man) and they are marked for that race weekend.
Third, if any foul play were discovered that would be a big disgrace for Michelin and the certain way out of both racing and comercial sale.

Only on a forum like this you can expect to hear outrageous suggestions like that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no your right, it wouldnt have done anything positive because dani is a quitter. michilin tried to help at brno but dani could not give a ...., he went to sun himself on puigs boat instead. the fact you agree with it and see no wrong is a reason for me never to enter into any contracts with you. dani needs a lesson in loyalty and morality. i wonder how many jobs have been lost at michilin now because of this contract being ended early.

Michelin agreed to let Dani go, you understand that don't you? He obviously lost his confidence in the equipment and his low morale led to poor results (sounds familiar). They could have seen the year out together, with Dani's results staying relatively poor and the Michelin brand being knocked (just as it was last year) or they could part company for a mutual gain. It's not difficult.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean those tailored for MotoGP bikes? I'm sure he gets them straight away. Rossi and Stoner used the exact same tires last race, and with the open policy of Bridgestone we will know exactly what all three ride on. Tailoring was Michelins thing, Bridgestone's main path to success came with last years "pick up two compunds and pray one of them work at race day" regulation. They make fantastic allround tires that work in a broad temperature range and a wide range of bikes.

gresini honda only got the tyre specification they requested in the spring of this season, after a year and a half together. Suzuki's new machine has only now allowed them to use the same tyres as Rossi and Stoner, while Kawasaki are still not there but intend to move that way. You are right that Bridgestone remain transparent so all teams know what the others are doing, but they do have different types of tyre available for different bikes. As it happens the one sided results are bringing conformity.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michelin agreed to let Dani go, you understand that don't you? He obviously lost his confidence in the equipment and his low morale led to poor results (sounds familiar). They could have seen the year out together, with Dani's results staying relatively poor and the Michelin brand being knocked (just as it was last year) or they could part company for a mutual gain. It's not difficult.
under duress ,what choice did they have when hrc were going around the pits telling the others to boycott which would threaten there whole racing operation pressent and future. you do understand what duress means dont you tom, like a form of blackmail.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>under duress ,what choice did they have when hrc were going around the pits telling the others to boycott which would threaten there whole racing operation pressent and future. you do understand what duress means dont you tom, like a form of blackmail.

Yea, its basically what Rossi did except less publicly drawn out. Of course it is possible that Michelin undersood Dani's reasoning (having seen it before) and actually let him go, but we'll probably never know for sure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no your right, it wouldnt have done anything positive because dani is a quitter. michilin tried to help at brno but dani could not give a ...., he went to sun himself on puigs boat instead. the fact you agree with it and see no wrong is a reason for me never to enter into any contracts with you. dani needs a lesson in loyalty and morality. i wonder how many jobs have been lost at michilin now because of this contract being ended early.

Not like it would matter if Pierre lost his job at the Michelin headquarters and now has to find a job as a short order cook to provide for his family of 8, including his very sick 6 year old son named Jacque who is in dire need of medication becaues his poor old dad lost his job and could no longer afford to pay for his medical bills. Not like any of it would matter for little Dani....I'm sure he sleeps very well at night being spooned by Alberto Puig.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, its basically what Rossi did except less publicly drawn out. Of course it is possible that Michelin undersood Dani's reasoning (having seen it before) and actually let him go, but we'll probably never know for sure.
......... rossi told dorna that he would rather leave than ride michilin midpack and he like everyone else is entitled to jack there job if there not happy. he did not involve other teams by asking them to boycott races. it was dorna who for what ever reason did not want rossi to leave and got bridgestones. after all rossi contracts were up so that was the appropriate to change or leave. rossi didnt say much about it in public, the media made a load od guesses as to what was said and ran with it. dani and hrc have been a lot more public about it than rossi was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean those tailored for MotoGP bikes? I'm sure he gets them straight away. Rossi and Stoner used the exact same tires last race, and with the open policy of Bridgestone we will know exactly what all three ride on. Tailoring was Michelins thing, Bridgestone's main path to success came with last years "pick up two compunds and pray one of them work at race day" regulation. They make fantastic allround tires that work in a broad temperature range and a wide range of bikes.
I think what Teo was getting at is the latest compound that, to my knowledge, Rossi and Stoner have been on all season. Those tires have only recently been made available to Suzuki and apparently Gresini as well. Hopkins was just given them for the first time on Monday but they will not be allotted to him for Indy because the bike is not up to it yet (I'm assuming that's Kawasaki's decision and not Bridgestone's). Not sure if Alice has had a go with the latest 'Stones, I would assume so as the factory Ducatis are already developed and fitted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>gresini honda only got the tyre specification they requested in the spring of this season, after a year and a half together. Suzuki's new machine has only now allowed them to use the same tyres as Rossi and Stoner, while Kawasaki are still not there but intend to move that way. You are right that Bridgestone remain transparent so all teams know what the others are doing, but they do have different types of tyre available for different bikes. As it happens the one sided results are bringing conformity.

You are correct and thats what would be the difference in a spec tire and Bridgestone being sole supplier.If they are sole supplier,Rossi can still get tires tailor made to his riding styles as can Casey as can any anyone else of stature.If its a spec tire,everybody gets the same thing.It would be interesting to see if they go to a spec tire,who's riding style would be the model,as if we dont know the answer to that question.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>......... rossi told dorna that he would rather leave than ride michilin midpack and he like everyone else is entitled to jack there job if there not happy.

Isn't this more or less what I've been saying all along? Rossi blackmailed DORNA to get the tires he wanted a season early. He wasn't contracted to Michelin but Yamaha was. He didn't do anything other than threaten to bail.

Why isn't it a controversy when you say it?

I'll introduce a 4th reason: The threat of HRC boss Hamane shoving an imperial arrow (similar like the one Rossi once got from Furusawa) up his bum, if he doesn't perform. Cause it's obvious that HRC had to pull some serious strings to supply Pedrosa with Bridgestones.

Please, anyone, feel free to add to that list.
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When was this dude?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 2 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't this more or less what I've been saying all along? Rossi blackmailed DORNA to get the tires he wanted a season early. He wasn't contracted to Michelin but Yamaha was. He didn't do anything other than threaten to bail.

Why isn't it a controversy when you say it?
ever said to your boss "give me a rise or i will leave" ? its up to your boss whether he says ok or .... off and it was your right to ask and jack if he says .... off !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ever said to your boss "give me a rise or i will leave" ? its up to your boss whether he says ok or .... off and it was your right to ask and jack if he says .... off !

So you're more or less suggesting that Valentino Rossi is an employee of DORNA?

I knew you'd come around. I'm glad to know you acknowledge the truth even if it is only in your subconscious mind.