<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 7 2007, 11:34 PM) [snapback]89721[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I love this part
"only 1 ducati is doing anything good!"
its the same with the yamaha too you know...
“I love this part”, you say; well I “love” that you don’t realize you are giving more weight to the idea that it is Stoner, not the Ducati, making the difference in results. Yes, that is exactly the point! Do you realize how this is counter-logical? This comparison of similar bikes is relevant and furthermore, it does not help your side of the debate.
One again, the point of saying only one of the Ducatis is performing well is to distinguish the package between the other Ducatis, which if you analyze it the only significant difference is the rider. So one can conclude, that it is the rider that makes the difference, namely Stoner.
Similarly, since both Yamaha riders are using the "same" package, then one can conclude that the difference in the results in the two Yamahas is that Rossi is better.
Now carrying this logic, one can conclude that the difference in results between Rossi and Stoner is not necessarily the machine but rather the riders themselves. One can conclude this because they are so much better respective to similar machines. Though this logic doesn't compare the Ducati and the Yamaha directly, the indicators of this reasoning still hold true. Do you understand?
Therefore, to say it is the rider (Stoner) making the difference is not a “fanboy” comment, because it is in fact based on a reasonable conclusion. It also follows then to examine and compare how the other bikes are doing, in this case the Toner’s Ducati to other Ducatis, and Rossi’s Yamaha to other Yamahas, indicates the difference in rider performance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 8 2007, 01:01 AM) [snapback]89735[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Interestingly we are all willing to accept that Rossi's 2004 Yamaha was inferior to its competition, but claim this years Ducati is by far the best bike.
In 2004 Carlos Checa was able to achieve 38.5% of his team leaders points haul, but this season Capirossi has scored just 36% of Stoners score. Also in the context of 2007, Edwards has been able to score 54% of Rossi's points this year. If we are using both bikes in a team as a yardstick for their capabilities you will find that in fact the Yamaha deficiency isn't as bad as some like to think.
I think the main difference (as ever in bike racing) is the riders.
Absolutely Tom, great post. I mean, have we forgotten that Rossi has the second most wins of anybody on the grid this year? His bike is good, and so is Stoner’s bike. Yes, the Michelins have proven better on some tracks and the Bridgestones have proven better on other tracks, but for God’s sakes, the machines are very close.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 8 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]89730[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
A picture is worth a thousand words CS...
Yes, you are right,
"a picture is worth a thousand words"; however, this seems to say more about you than it does about Alphabet (and the guy annoys me too).
Hey, are you taking a ...., because that looks like a bath towel and toilet paper next to you? Nice, very witty and clever, taking a picture on your ........ Did you think of this all by yourself?