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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]89665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you are a ....... fanboy, if you bothered to read the thread you will see alex said

so i asked how inferior it was, then predictably you lot come in with the "how far are the othe ducs bla bla bla" and try to change every ....... thread into a stoner worship thread.
krusty, pink son of dooham, cscvaw. your like a record thats stuck.
tell me if stoner did loose would you lot .... off back under your rocks .
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year iove had a drink and if i was in a bar withya id punch ya fukin ausie fanboy teeth out ya face

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Nice 1!! Looked at your photo just then! Tell us all who the fanboy is!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alex29 @ Sep 7 2007, 03:12 PM) [snapback]89649[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well i beg to differ,
RC211V was "the" bike of the 990 era
And I do think the RC212V is the bike to beat. Unfortunately, the works team's bikes are being held back by those frenchie tires.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]89665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you are a ....... fanboy, if you bothered to read the thread you will see alex said

so i asked how inferior it was, then predictably you lot come in with the "how far are the othe ducs bla bla bla" and try to change every ....... thread into a stoner worship thread.
krusty, pink son of dooham, cscvaw. your like a record thats stuck.
tell me if stoner did loose would you lot .... off back under your rocks .
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year iove had a drink and if i was in a bar withya id punch ya fukin ausie fanboy teeth out ya face


Wow what an intelligent comment ... just about sums you up hey! All comes down to punching someones lights out when they don't agree with you!

Who says I have any teeth!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 7 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]89667[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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Nice 1!! Looked at your photo just then! Tell us all who the fanboy is!

at leasst i talk bikes, you just talk stoner, mabe your a ... and you would like a bit of stoner ..., cos you no fyuk all abpout anything else. every time you call me a pom i want to boot ya head in you fukin abbo
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 09:02 AM) [snapback]89670[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
at leasst i talk bikes, you just talk stoner, mabe your a ... and you would like a bit of stoner ..., cos you no fyuk all abpout anything else. every time you call me a pom i want to boot ya head in you fukin abbo


I think you should do yourself a favour and go to a few anger management classes and lay off the pints!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Sep 8 2007, 12:04 AM) [snapback]89672[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you should do yourself a favour and go to a few anger management classes and lay off the pints!

i think you tossers should stop boring the .... out of us and calling us poms. i dont fuvcking like it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:38 AM) [snapback]89661[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
again your trying to head down the fanboy road, im talking bikes !!
i asked how far apart the rc211v was compared to the 990 m1 ,and the gp7 compared to the 800m1.

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The RC211V had a straight line speed advantage over the M1 and was considered the best bike. There's no doubt the GP7 is faster than the M1 (or any other bike).
Whats my point?? , <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>, 61% of fans believe tyre supplier Michelin is the primary cause of Rossi's 2007 woes, with 22% blaming Yamaha and 17% Valentino himself.

Maybe its The nut behind the wheel that is to blame??
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 7 2007, 11:55 PM) [snapback]89664[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What's so strange about that? 3 of the 4 ducatis are doing nothing this year! Only 1 is??
Well you know, it's not entirely unfeasable that only one Duc is getting the support. We'll have to see about that in the future.

But it's still very very far fetched to say it's not the best bike on the grid. Is anyone really willing to detract from the amazing job Ducati have done on the 800?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]89665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
year iove had a drink and if i was in a bar withya id punch ya fukin ausie fanboy teeth out ya face


Rog,

I love a good debate as much as the next person, but with all due respect I don't think that your sensai would be very happy to hear you making such comments either via type or verbally...

Without a direct comparison of the 2 bikes by a single, professional & unbiased rider then we can't answer your question. No doubt at the end of the year when Alan Cathcart gets to toss them around a track then we might learn more.

For the record though, I agree with you that the Ducati has an acceleration advantage. But as you'd well know that was the case for years in that Honda always had the speed advantage...

By simple observation we also know that the Yamaha still has a handling & braking advantage. The few times when a Yamaha has managed to stay in close company with a Ducati this year has proven that to be the case ( rewatch Catalunya & Assen is you disagree ).

The reality I think is that Ducati have struck a fine balance between all the necessary ingredients ( as is necessary ) in order to achieve the race winning machine that they have...

Just maybe, things might not be quite as one sided as some believe?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Sep 8 2007, 10:36 AM) [snapback]89686[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
without a direct comparison of the 2 bikes by a single, professional & unbiased rider then we can't answer your question.

Alex Barros has ridden the M1, RC211V and the GP7 he might be an appropriate person to ask. Not sure if you will get a unbiased opinion
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alex29 @ Sep 7 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]89649[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well i beg to differ,
RC211V was "the" bike of the 990 era



Yes of the era. Although I believe that the Ducati was the better bike for the latter half of 2006.
 
Roger, Roger, Roger..........Rule no. 1 is don,t post when pissed!

I did once and I almost got away with it. haha

I don,t understand your problem with the word "pom". We aussies don,t see it as a derogatory term; just the first thing we think of to descibe enlish/uk people. No worse than "aussies" . When you get used to thinking this you should no longer be offended.

As usual I agree with muzzy matt. I,m not convinced that the Ducati is the best package. Yamaha has many strengths. The main difference this year is a young lad called Casey! The D,Antin ducatis are not much different from Caseys; have the same top speed , and yet like Loris, are nowhere. I think the conclusion is obvious. but then I am not a rusted on Rossi fanatic and I am quite sober (at the moment).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:38 AM) [snapback]89661[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
again your trying to head down the fanboy road, im talking bikes !!
i asked how far apart the rc211v was compared to the 990 m1 ,and the gp7 compared to the 800m1.

Who the hell would know anyway? It's all pure speculation as to what is better - about the only thing we really know is that the Bridgestone's have been far superior to the Michelin's. That is it - end of story!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 7 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]89624[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>With the YZR-M1's technical weaknesses apparent from the first race, but still to be solved by Yamaha,

The good news for Yamaha is that, according to a Crash.net poll, 61% of fans believe tyre supplier Michelin is the primary cause of Rossi's 2007 woes, with 22% blaming Yamaha and 17% Valentino himself.


This was the first impression they had a Qatar (round 1) that spawned this quote, however...much has changed since, lets not get stuck on that one race…

The question is, just how much of a "technical weaknesses" does the Yamaha have compared to the Ducati? In other words, this is a question of magnitude. If the Yamaha was all that worse, I don't think Rossi would have been able to keep up with Stoner throughout ALL the race until the last lap where Stoner put in the fastest lap of the race. This also goes for the other races where Rossi mixed it up with Stoner or won the race.

And yes, it was obvious that Stoner blasted past on that monster straight at Qatar, but again Rossi fans ignore this supposed "speed advantage" at Mugello, where the straight was long and Stoner didn't manage to podium and Rossi won the race on that "technically weak" Yamaha of his.

Here is what I learned from this article. Rossi was better the first years he signed with Yamaha. This year he is not as good as he use to be, and so who gets the spot light?—Yamaha/Michelin (or indirectly/directly so does the Ducati).

Notice that the poll sites only 17% as Rossi to blame for the unexpected second in points this season. Well this doesn't surprise me that the majority blame the tires/bike because it is after-all Rossi's world that they are taking their poll from, isn't it. All this tells me is that in their poll sample, 80% were Rossi fans. This poll doesn't mean .....

As far as comparing the bikes. Well it is a perfectly legitimate and relevant point to direct ones attention to the fact that only 1 of the 4 Ducatis on the grid has had outstanding success. I don’t see how this can be called “fanboy” speak simply because the man on that particular Ducati happens to be Stoner. Its not a change of the issue under discussion, or a change in focus, moreover, it is very much the point of debate!

This is what it says to me. The “technical weakness” is not that immense pertaining to degree/magnitude compared to the Ducati. Sure, we will have another person say, but yeah, didn’t you see how the Ducati passed the Yamaha in the straight? My answer is, Yes. But my question would be in reply, do you realize this is not the difference in the result if you take into account the different tracks and their characteristics in reference to the ones Rossi was successful at? Whether people accept this or not, the fact remains, the fastest bike doesn’t always win, in fact, it is usually not the winner.

So what else accounts for the lack of success with the Yamaha/Rossi/Michelin package? My answer: Stoner is just that good. You are stupid if you think this is a fanboy comment, if you give Rossi the credit for those 5 championships.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]89673[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think you tossers should stop boring the .... out of us and calling us poms. i dont fuvcking like it.
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OH rOGE "dONT bE lIKE tHAT!!!"...youre making me cry!!! and is that youre hand & finger???
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 8 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]89665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you are a ....... fanboy, if you bothered to read the thread you will see alex said

so i asked how inferior it was, then predictably you lot come in with the "how far are the othe ducs bla bla bla" and try to change every ....... thread into a stoner worship thread.
krusty, pink son of dooham, cscvaw. your like a record thats stuck.
tell me if stoner did loose would you lot .... off back under your rocks .
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year iove had a drink and if i was in a bar withya id punch ya fukin ausie fanboy teeth out ya face


Roge again is that 'UR HAND DOING IT"!!!
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I love this part

"only 1 ducati is doing anything good!"

its the same with the yamaha too you know... I mean colin isnt great but he has had podiums and finished not to far behind before

casey is doing a good job tho,

I wonder if rossi will switch to bridgestone

as for the austrailian guys Ive been saying it for a while a few members have single handedly make me hate their country and stoner just from reading their posts I never hated stoner nor austrailia before!


they are ruining my life
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also I would love to see a pic of you and your wife CS I bet you two are real lookers
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 8 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]89721[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I love this part

"only 1 ducati is doing anything good!"

its the same with the yamaha too you know... I mean colin isnt great but he has had podiums and finished not to far behind before

casey is doing a good job tho,

I wonder if rossi will switch to bridgestone

as for the austrailian guys Ive been saying it for a while a few members have single handedly make me hate their country and stoner just from reading their posts I never hated stoner nor austrailia before!
they are ruining my life
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also I would love to see a pic of you and your wife CS I bet you two are real lookers
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Doubt there's much chance of Rossi switching to Bridgestone even if he had a say in it. The Tech 3 yamahas have no chance due to them running Dunlop's and as for CE 2 I think he's a very good rider but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Capirossi. Comes down to one thing for me.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 8 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]89721[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
as for the austrailian guys Ive been saying it for a while a few members have single handedly make me hate their country and stoner just from reading their posts I never hated stoner nor austrailia before!
they are ruining my life
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also I would love to see a pic of you and your wife CS I bet you two are real lookers
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I'm sure Casey would be really upset that you dislike him ... not! The Italians that count love him ... his employers!
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Mate I'm married to an Italian ... and you are complaining about us being "passionate" about our support for our riders?! Coming from an Italian that would be like the pot calling the kettle black!
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Don't get too personal with the derogatory comments re: CS ... I think I could speak for most here and say they are not needed/wanted!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 8 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]89721[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I love this part

"only 1 ducati is doing anything good!"

its the same with the yamaha too you know... I mean colin isnt great but he has had podiums and finished not to far behind before

casey is doing a good job tho,

I wonder if rossi will switch to bridgestone

as for the austrailian guys Ive been saying it for a while a few members have single handedly make me hate their country and stoner just from reading their posts I never hated stoner nor austrailia before!
they are ruining my life
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also I would love to see a pic of you and your wife CS I bet you two are real lookers
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...Yes... krazy...only one ducati!!!...as the other guy “HAD IT!!!”...what can we say...I’ve run out of excuses for Mr. CapiReX!!!...and krazy ‘IF WERE RUINING YOUR LIFE!!’...THEN “PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE FOR GOD’S AND THE POPES SAKE ‘GET ANOTHER LIFE!!!”!!!...

YES krazy...I Have a beautiful 27 year old and she’s a GLAM!!!...mate...more than you can ever...GET or HAVE !!!...krazy!!!...you’re title portrays your personality mate...what would a good sort do with you!!...you’d probably????...whatever I don’t want to go into that as it wont be published anyway!!!
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I LOVE ITALY!!!...MY SON IS MARRIED TO AN ITALIAN ‘GLAM” AND SHE COMES FROM...CATONIA...I’VE BEEN THERE AND ITS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE!!!...I LOVE THE SPAGHETTI BENDERS FROM DEEP IN MY HEART!!!...

for fcs what else do you WANT ME TO SAY????!!!...I'M REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE BLOODLINE OF THE ITALIAN HERITAGE!!!
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YOU KNOW...AUSSIE & ITALIAN BLOOD...ITS A "LEGEND'!!!...LOL
 

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