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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 6 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The AMA isn't reliant upon foreign markets, but it will need them to grow. Growing the sportsbike culture in the United States is the goal of almost every major promotion effort, yet most of them have failed or have had limited success.
DMG will certainly grow the U.S. market but tapping the other resources available in our hemisphere is also a good plan. The FIM have no presence on this side of the Atlantic, so someone with ambition could easily capture the South American market and go international. There are already a fair amount of South American riders in the AMA.
Edmonson is already trying to attract talent using large purses. They're not going to travel the globe begging for world class riders to join the AMA when they can simply offer a big payday for winning. As long as most of the machines are competitive, it will attract riders.
I think I follow what you're saying but I'm not entirely sure. Tell me if I'm way off base here. DMG will grow AMA Superbike by using more stock-related rules, emphasizing the personality of the sport. NASCARing the sport, putting it bluntly. Additionally, they will offer big money in hopes of attracting young talent and talent from South America, something that is not being done at the moment because of politics and lack of parity in any series. Is that kind of what I'm hearing? It makes sense. Sometimes I feel like your posts go over my head Lex, so I'm just trying to get my head 'round it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 6 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think about NASCAR and F1. F1 is based entirely on world class appeal, mega salaries, high technology, and raw speed. The driver's occasionally make good marketing tools. NASCAR is based upon equipment parity, driver personality, mega-paydays, and manufacturer branding. In the world of cars, the two often attract mutually exclusive audiences; however, I don't believe this to be the case in motorcycling.
Currently, the NASCAR model doesn't exist on a major scale in the world of two wheels. Edmonson has given a very strict list of permissible upgrades to production machinery. He hasn't forced the manufacturers to produce spec machinery, but he has used upgrades to control bike costs and probably bike performance as well. As long as the riders don't grow mullets and miss right turns, no one should be alarmed.
When everyone is more or less on the same equipment, it makes technical variation more appealing. The NASCAR philosophy is on one end of the spectrum and the F1 spectrum is on the other. In my opinion, WSBK could become monkey in the middle if the AMA garners global appeal.
I understand this model. Like you said, the NASCAR platform does not exist in motorcycle racing. There is the F1 in MotoGP and WSBK lands somewhere in between GP and these NASCAR like rules. You and Edmonson may very well be right, this rider oriented series may prove to be very successful and in that case then the WSBK rules will probably be changed as they would lie somewhere in the middle. However, as it stands the WSBK rules appear to be the standard when it comes to production based racing and it will take the AMA being successful and garnering audiences worldwide to place WSBK in a monkey in the middle situation. I wouldn't rule that out happening eventually, it will reduce costs for manufacturers while still allowing them to have their marketing tool of win on Sunday, sell on Monday. But it will take some time for that scenario to play itself out. I suppose you have to start somewhere though.
Starting from scratch and being led by NASCAR is cause for many headaches for motorcycle fans.
DMG will certainly grow the U.S. market but tapping the other resources available in our hemisphere is also a good plan. The FIM have no presence on this side of the Atlantic, so someone with ambition could easily capture the South American market and go international. There are already a fair amount of South American riders in the AMA.
Edmonson is already trying to attract talent using large purses. They're not going to travel the globe begging for world class riders to join the AMA when they can simply offer a big payday for winning. As long as most of the machines are competitive, it will attract riders.
I think I follow what you're saying but I'm not entirely sure. Tell me if I'm way off base here. DMG will grow AMA Superbike by using more stock-related rules, emphasizing the personality of the sport. NASCARing the sport, putting it bluntly. Additionally, they will offer big money in hopes of attracting young talent and talent from South America, something that is not being done at the moment because of politics and lack of parity in any series. Is that kind of what I'm hearing? It makes sense. Sometimes I feel like your posts go over my head Lex, so I'm just trying to get my head 'round it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 6 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think about NASCAR and F1. F1 is based entirely on world class appeal, mega salaries, high technology, and raw speed. The driver's occasionally make good marketing tools. NASCAR is based upon equipment parity, driver personality, mega-paydays, and manufacturer branding. In the world of cars, the two often attract mutually exclusive audiences; however, I don't believe this to be the case in motorcycling.
Currently, the NASCAR model doesn't exist on a major scale in the world of two wheels. Edmonson has given a very strict list of permissible upgrades to production machinery. He hasn't forced the manufacturers to produce spec machinery, but he has used upgrades to control bike costs and probably bike performance as well. As long as the riders don't grow mullets and miss right turns, no one should be alarmed.
When everyone is more or less on the same equipment, it makes technical variation more appealing. The NASCAR philosophy is on one end of the spectrum and the F1 spectrum is on the other. In my opinion, WSBK could become monkey in the middle if the AMA garners global appeal.
I understand this model. Like you said, the NASCAR platform does not exist in motorcycle racing. There is the F1 in MotoGP and WSBK lands somewhere in between GP and these NASCAR like rules. You and Edmonson may very well be right, this rider oriented series may prove to be very successful and in that case then the WSBK rules will probably be changed as they would lie somewhere in the middle. However, as it stands the WSBK rules appear to be the standard when it comes to production based racing and it will take the AMA being successful and garnering audiences worldwide to place WSBK in a monkey in the middle situation. I wouldn't rule that out happening eventually, it will reduce costs for manufacturers while still allowing them to have their marketing tool of win on Sunday, sell on Monday. But it will take some time for that scenario to play itself out. I suppose you have to start somewhere though.
Starting from scratch and being led by NASCAR is cause for many headaches for motorcycle fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 6 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...so I'm just trying to get my head 'round it.
Try for just a moment to look at NASCAR as a business. They are obvioulsy doing something very right. If drawing record crowds and making loads of cash is what your all about then maybe they have the right formula? Not to say that it will work in motorcycle racing but I guess we will find out.
This won't make me any friends on here but I actually like NASCAR. I am not a huge NASCAR fan but I will tune into the racing every once in a while and if you have ever been to the races then it sheds a different light on it. 100k plus crowds every weekend isn't too bad.
Try for just a moment to look at NASCAR as a business. They are obvioulsy doing something very right. If drawing record crowds and making loads of cash is what your all about then maybe they have the right formula? Not to say that it will work in motorcycle racing but I guess we will find out.
This won't make me any friends on here but I actually like NASCAR. I am not a huge NASCAR fan but I will tune into the racing every once in a while and if you have ever been to the races then it sheds a different light on it. 100k plus crowds every weekend isn't too bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Feb 6 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try for just a moment to look at NASCAR as a business. They are obvioulsy doing something very right. If drawing record crowds and making loads of cash is what your all about then maybe they have the right formula? Not to say that it will work in motorcycle racing but I guess we will find out.
This won't make me any friends on here but I actually like NASCAR. I am not a huge NASCAR fan but I will tune into the racing every once in a while and if you have ever been to the races then it sheds a different light on it. 100k plus crowds every weekend isn't too bad.
I agree, but I think the motorcycle culture will widen its appeal without cheapening the past time we love.
Sportsbikes will probably never be safe, they will probably never be as maintenance free as cars, they will never be practical to ride in all conditions. Many posers are scared off after their first bike because they have no idea how resource intensive and time intensive it is to ride.
Furthermore, I don't think the manufacturers are going to be deeply involved in the new AMA at all. In NASCAR, they can't avoid manufacturer participation because NASCAR requires the manufacturers to build something that isn't already produced.
Motorcycling is much different. 1000cc engines and 600cc engines are common displacements built by many manufacturers. DMG doesn't actually need to involve the factories at all. In fact, I think DMG are trying to liberate the privateers from the factories by listing small numbers of upgrade parts that are widely available from vendors who are independent of the Japanese factories.
If the privateers are completely emancipated from the factories it could lead to all kinds of crazy scenarios like a racing team that runs multiple brands of bikes. Imagine if Attack runs a Honda and a Suzuki because their riders prefer two different bikes. If the privateers are separate from the factory, they could employ such unconventional techniques.
This won't make me any friends on here but I actually like NASCAR. I am not a huge NASCAR fan but I will tune into the racing every once in a while and if you have ever been to the races then it sheds a different light on it. 100k plus crowds every weekend isn't too bad.
I agree, but I think the motorcycle culture will widen its appeal without cheapening the past time we love.
Sportsbikes will probably never be safe, they will probably never be as maintenance free as cars, they will never be practical to ride in all conditions. Many posers are scared off after their first bike because they have no idea how resource intensive and time intensive it is to ride.
Furthermore, I don't think the manufacturers are going to be deeply involved in the new AMA at all. In NASCAR, they can't avoid manufacturer participation because NASCAR requires the manufacturers to build something that isn't already produced.
Motorcycling is much different. 1000cc engines and 600cc engines are common displacements built by many manufacturers. DMG doesn't actually need to involve the factories at all. In fact, I think DMG are trying to liberate the privateers from the factories by listing small numbers of upgrade parts that are widely available from vendors who are independent of the Japanese factories.
If the privateers are completely emancipated from the factories it could lead to all kinds of crazy scenarios like a racing team that runs multiple brands of bikes. Imagine if Attack runs a Honda and a Suzuki because their riders prefer two different bikes. If the privateers are separate from the factory, they could employ such unconventional techniques.
