Outraged!

Not news or important, but because of the new rule where teams register for bike numbers rather than riders, Ben Bostrom will lose his trademark 155. Yamaha has registered numbers two, four and six. Bostrom will wear the number two in 2009.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif DMG for this unnecessary and stupid rule and to Yamaha for not registering the most recognizable number in the series. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 29 2009, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not news or important, but because of the new rule where teams register for bike numbers rather than riders, Ben Bostrom will lose his trademark 155. Yamaha has registered numbers two, four and six. Bostrom will wear the number two in 2009.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif DMG for this unnecessary and stupid rule and to Yamaha for not registering the most recognizable number in the series. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif


Number 2 is the worst number ever....it says your not good enough to be NO1

Haha I like it! I get a 2 digit number for SuperSport! Either 99 18 or 19, I will be big ballin'!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jan 29 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Number 2 is the worst number ever....it says your not good enough to be NO1

No more so than any other number that isn't 1. In fact #2 is the second best number going

So the GAY M A, now wants to turn the sport of Motorcycling into ...... Nascar. I completly loathe NAssCAR and everything it stands for. I can't understand how anyone is drawn into the parade that they purvey as a race. HEY DMG A HEEEUUUGE .... YOU and I hOPE all OF you FAIL miserably so then someone else who understands racing at its purist takes it over. ...... ....!!

NASCAR inspired ........ rule. The riders are no longer important, its the <strike>car</strike> bike.

Nascar has some good marketing ideas, but these morons don't understand that not everything translates well to motorcycle racing.

One of the reasons that Motorcycle Racing has so much Soul is the human component within. The rider makes the difference, moreover, it has always been a sport replete with great personalities and characters. Car racing is a different paradigm altogether, and time and time again we are reminded of the differences between the two as opposed to the similarities. This is just another attempt to dehumanize the sport that we love, where the individual is subsumed by the brand. HRC made this mistake with Rossi, and it's no coincidence that the great man shunned F1 as well. Also no coincidence that HRC love Dani - the inhuman component to racing motorcycles personified (if it's possible to use that term in this case!!!) in one man(nequin).

It's a ..... example of yet more interfering micro management from the mad Mullahs of DMG, but at least the real genuine fans such as yourselves remain familiar with the personalities racing behind the faceless numbers, and I'm sure the 155 will manifest itself at least somewhere on machine or leathers.

When you watch Nascar they always refer to the number of the car and not the driver.
Everybody is referred to as "the 69 car" ot "the 26 car." I was disgusted when I first heard it.
Whenever Ralph Shitheen is announcing an AMA event he does the same thing.
Can you imagine Rossi suddenly being called " the 46 bike"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jan 31 2009, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you watch Nascar they always refer to the number of the car and not the driver.
Everybody is referred to as "the 69 car" ot "the 26 car." I was disgusted when I first heard it.
Whenever Ralph Shitheen is announcing an AMA event he does the same thing.
Can you imagine Rossi suddenly being called " the 46 bike"
I haven't watched all that much nascar and may have missed the nuances, but I had thought that one of the main aspects was the promotion of the individual drivers rather than the car makes and the technical aspects.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 30 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't watched all that much nascar and may have missed the nuances, but I had thought that one of the main aspects was the promotion of the individual drivers rather than the car makes and the technical aspects.
It's funny, they go to such great lengths to promote the series as a level playing field, emphasizing driver talent and this and that. Yet they take all the individuality away from the driver by placing the ownership of a number with the car owner. Because race fans watch to see their favorite owner win races...

our fears are coming true.... that .... brick edmondson is turning it into nasbike. i was affraid this would happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 1 2009, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>our fears are coming true.... that .... brick edmondson is turning it into nasbike. i was affraid this would happen.

Why don't you wait and see the end result?

People hate NASCAR because it's a bunch of rednecks racing overweight carburetted cars around a giant oval for 5 hours.

I haven't seen any new AMA rules that would lead to NASCAR style racing. Besides, they have to do something unconventional. Everything that can be done by following a conventional racing model is already done better in FIM sanctioned series'.

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People hate NASCAR because it's a bunch of rednecks racing overweight carburetted cars around a giant oval for 5 hours.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 4 2009, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everything that can be done by following a conventional racing model is already done better in FIM sanctioned series'.
So why don't we adopt FIM rules like BSB has done? There's a proven model, use it. Stop reinventing the wheel. Especially when your head wheel developer is Roger Edmonson.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 5 2009, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why don't we adopt FIM rules like BSB has done? There's a proven model, use it. Stop reinventing the wheel. Especially when your head wheel developer is Roger Edmonson.
Because Dickheadmonson used to work for AMA then gets gone after some ........ and goes to work for the Redneck Racing douschebags at Nascar. Now he gets his chance to exert his will on all of us, so I say .... em and don't even bother to watch em. When this happens and it will, most all of my buds won't take the time to watch the AMA this year and they are going to go on about the things they normally would have put on the back burner to watch it. They will find out who won but won't support Nascar style .... cause it is lame period. The fact they did the same .... with the numbers is just proof they think they can do what they want but I will tell you that the manufacurers won't stand for it long. They all want the rules to be the same acrosss the board so teh costs are kept at level and riders going from one series to another don't have these big changes to go through. DMG won't be there for long guys cause there will be a manufactures series in the near future. Dmg is a joke ane EVERYONE knows it, this .... won't last as long as the xfl did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 5 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why don't we adopt FIM rules like BSB has done? There's a proven model, use it. Stop reinventing the wheel. Especially when your head wheel developer is Roger Edmonson.

Because there is a consumer satiation point that the AMA cannot overcome. Our home market isn't very strong. The AMA needs interest from overseas viewers. Since most of them already have their own national series, the AMA will have to be something different. Latin America is probably a good place to start recruiting talent and viewers.

The ambitions of Roger Edmonson are far greater than you realize, imo. My gut tells me Edmonson is already developing a new formula and I'm betting he has ambitions to take the AMA international within 10 years if they can get the competitive model to work.

I think Ezy's gut tells him the same thing. Why do you think Ezy was so keen to meet with Edmonson during the AMA tumult? The financial and media resources Edmonson has at his disposal via DMG are astronomical. The AMA is now viewed as a potential threat by FIM-sanctioned series. Now that Ezy has made Michelin available, I'm sure he's really uptight.

Motorcycle fans are clamoring for close racing on fast machines with performance parity. WSBK currently provides what fans want, but FIM sponsored series' CANNOT sustain this type of racing over the long term because it isn't in the interest of the manufacturers. Privateer racing using the NASCAR model makes sustained equipment parity a reality.

Ironically, I think a really strong spec-racing series that focuses on the privateer will probably give MotoGP the opportunity it needs to regroup and differentiate by allowing a wide variety of equipment. If Ezy was smart, he was conspiring with Ezy to knock off the Flamini Group.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 5 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because there is a consumer satiation point that the AMA cannot overcome. Our home market isn't very strong. The AMA needs interest from overseas viewers. Since most of them already have their own national series, the AMA will have to be something different. Latin America is probably a good place to start recruiting talent and viewers.
I'm sorry Lex, you know I'm a believer in most of your stuff but I disagree with this. If the series is so reliant on overseas viewers then why are all of the team and series sponsors American based or reliant on the American market? Rockstar, Monster, Makita, Parts Unlimited, Chevy Trucks, Toyota, Corona etc. Additionally, if we are so reliant on overseas markets, why isn't there more of an effort for international riders? DMG want nothing more than to get rid of Mladin and Hodgson is a great ambassador, shouldn't they be doing something to promote him rather than letting him rot in the Corona Honda garage?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 5 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The ambitions of Roger Edmonson are far greater than you realize, imo. My gut tells me Edmonson is already developing a new formula and I'm betting he has ambitions to take the AMA international within 10 years if they can get the competitive model to work.

I think Ezy's gut tells him the same thing. Why do you think Ezy was so keen to meet with Edmonson during the AMA tumult? The financial and media resources Edmonson has at his disposal via DMG are astronomical. The AMA is now viewed as a potential threat by FIM-sanctioned series. Now that Ezy has made Michelin available, I'm sure he's really uptight.
I can't disagree with you here. Roger has great ambition, he comes from the series which has made open-wheel racing in this country obsolete. His group has monopolized auto racing in the states. I have no doubt he has every intention to do the same with motorcycle. That being said, of course Ezy wants to meet with Roger, he probably wants some pointers on how to make MotoGP as popular worldwide as NASCAR is in this country. It's hedging his bets. It doesn't hurt him at all to meet with Edmonson. Should DMG fail then it was just another meeting and nothing lost, but if Edmonson does happen to make the AMA soar like NASCAR, then Ezy is in like Flint.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 5 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motorcycle fans are clamoring for close racing on fast machines with performance parity. WSBK currently provides what fans want, but FIM sponsored series' CANNOT sustain this type of racing over the long term because it isn't in the interest of the manufacturers. Privateer racing using the NASCAR model makes sustained equipment parity a reality.
I guess I don't understand how you make this differentiation.

Edmonson may be brillant in his manuvering to keep the manufacturers from creating their own series.
He originally wanted the 600 class to be the top draw of the weekend. We all scoffed at this notion saying who's going to watch that series. Well if you havn't noticed that class is being stocked with more big names and young up and coming riders on machinery that's more or less equal.
If I remember the big purse is being held for that class only.
So when the Prima Donna's like Mladin threw a fit and refused to ride a 600 and threatened to leave than Edmonson said " Hey, Why don't you stay and continue what you're doing" They agreed and Mladins only rival left town so now you have a class that will be dominated by an old guy that everyone has always seen win and a bunch of old guys that we are tired of seeing lose. So now we have more of the same but now only worse.
In the meantime the 600 class has the potential to be the best racing we have seen in years.
How long before fans realize that and continue to say " .... it I'm not gonna watch 600's"
The reality is Edmonson is giving Mladin the rope and he is gladly going to hang himself and that crappy series.
.... always flows downhill and the cream always rises to the top

Go points Johnny. But I must add that the 600 class has been the most exciting for a few years now. I seriously doz off during Superbike, I expect not much different. I'll be rooting for Tommy and Blakem, but Mladin is still fast and still has an ax to grind. Too bad really, I would have like to se how he would compare to the big boys. I guess being the king of the minors is what he loves I guess.

Austin, I've been saying that too (adopting the WSBK rules that is). Its ........ that we don't. But then again Edmon is a .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 5 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry Lex, you know I'm a believer in most of your stuff but I disagree with this. If the series is so reliant on overseas viewers then why are all of the team and series sponsors American based or reliant on the American market? Rockstar, Monster, Makita, Parts Unlimited, Chevy Trucks, Toyota, Corona etc. Additionally, if we are so reliant on overseas markets, why isn't there more of an effort for international riders? DMG want nothing more than to get rid of Mladin and Hodgson is a great ambassador, shouldn't they be doing something to promote him rather than letting him rot in the Corona Honda garage?

The AMA isn't reliant upon foreign markets, but it will need them to grow. Growing the sportsbike culture in the United States is the goal of almost every major promotion effort, yet most of them have failed or have had limited success.

DMG will certainly grow the U.S. market but tapping the other resources available in our hemisphere is also a good plan. The FIM have no presence on this side of the Atlantic, so someone with ambition could easily capture the South American market and go international. There are already a fair amount of South American riders in the AMA.

Edmonson is already trying to attract talent using large purses. They're not going to travel the globe begging for world class riders to join the AMA when they can simply offer a big payday for winning. As long as most of the machines are competitive, it will attract riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I guess I don't understand how you make this differentiation.

Think about NASCAR and F1. F1 is based entirely on world class appeal, mega salaries, high technology, and raw speed. The driver's occasionally make good marketing tools. NASCAR is based upon equipment parity, driver personality, mega-paydays, and manufacturer branding. In the world of cars, the two often attract mutually exclusive audiences; however, I don't believe this to be the case in motorcycling.

Currently, the NASCAR model doesn't exist on a major scale in the world of two wheels. Edmonson has given a very strict list of permissible upgrades to production machinery. He hasn't forced the manufacturers to produce spec machinery, but he has used upgrades to control bike costs and probably bike performance as well. As long as the riders don't grow mullets and miss right turns, no one should be alarmed.

When everyone is more or less on the same equipment, it makes technical variation more appealing. The NASCAR philosophy is on one end of the spectrum and the F1 spectrum is on the other. In my opinion, WSBK could become monkey in the middle if the AMA garners global appeal.