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Opportunity Lost for some - Stoner to NOT test at Qatar

Gaz

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Yep, if the source is correct (and the article is not written in the best way) thence it would seem that Stoner will not test with the other GP riders but will test on the 7/3 and 8/3 just after the GP test has completed

Casey Stoner To Skip Official Qatar MotoGP Test | Sport Rider


The drama between Ducati and Casey Stoner continues. As expected, the Australian rider—I was going to write ex-rider, but if there is someone who doesn’t fit that description, it’s the Australian—did not test in Phillip Island. A decision that is somewhat confusing considering that if there was a circuit on which Stoner could thoroughly assess the new Ducati, it would be Phillip Island.

"The information that Casey [Stoner] gave the engineers was very detailed," Paolo Ciabatti, Ducati team manager told us in Australia. "In Sepang, he rode the GP15, a motorcycle for which we have a lot of data, so we could match the data up with what he was telling us.”

“With his talent and his ability to ride fast,” continued Ciabatti, “the engineers were able to gather interesting information. His comments were almost identical to those from Dovi [Andrea Dovizioso] and [Andrea] Iannone. It was an interesting development from a test rider, because he was able to ride the bike to the maximum."

I don’t know about you, but to me this last sentence seems like a torpedo in the water pointing straight at their current riders. And if anyone had any doubts, Ciabatti then stated: "We know that the bike has great potential, which Casey has endorsed; even if it is last year’s bike. Now we have to work on the new bike."

If it’s time to work on the new bike, it is not necessarily implied that Stoner is not lined up to ride at Phillip Island, right? Casey won’t test in Australia, but ... he will be at the circuit! "He will be with the team in boxes and go to the track to see the drivers," reported Ciabatti.

Casey Stoner laid down some competitive times amongst the MotoGP regulars at the Sepang test, having many chomping at the bit to see Stoner's return to racing.

But the best of this mixed-up story is yet to come, regarding the thread of the research on the new GP16, Ciabatti then dropped: "Casey will run the new bike at Losail on the sixth and seventh of March, just after the completion of the official test." Just two weeks—the minimum allowed—before the World Championship event at the same track.

"There is no plan for Casey to race again," exclaimed the Ducati manager. "But if we asked him to do so, something that has not happened thus far, would decide together what would be the best scenario and the best time to do it."

I must confess that if in the end Stoner does not race in the Qatar Grand Prix on March 20, it will be a big disappointment. It’s true that Stoner has repeatedly claimed both directly and indirectly that racing again is not in his plans, but, excuse me, when someone denies his intention to retire at a press conference, and two weeks later the cover of Solo Moto announces his retirement, I have a hard time believing anything...The doubts will soon be resolved.
 
But the best of this mixed-up story is yet to come, regarding the thread of the research on the new GP16, Ciabatti then dropped: "Casey will run the new bike at Losail on the sixth and seventh of March, just after the completion of the official test." Just two weeks—the minimum allowed—before the World Championship event at the same track.

Might not be part of the official test, but he will be running the bike.
 
Might not be part of the official test, but he will be running the bike.

I suspect that it has a lot to do with a third opinion after Dovi and Ianonne as it gives additional data

Only issue may be whether 2 weeks allows enough time to engineer any changes.

Alternately, as his times and feedback were said to be very similar to Dovi/Iannonne (Feedback similar) then it could well be a further two days to allow him to complete testing of new equipment that Dovi and Ianonne will also be using during the official test. An additional two days of testing could prove very useful within the scheme of things
 
I suspect that it has a lot to do with a third opinion after Dovi and Ianonne as it gives additional data

Only issue may be whether 2 weeks allows enough time to engineer any changes.

Alternately, as his times and feedback were said to be very similar to Dovi/Iannonne (Feedback similar) then it could well be a further two days to allow him to complete testing of new equipment that Dovi and Ianonne will also be using during the official test. An additional two days of testing could prove very useful within the scheme of things

I'd say another reason to test alone would be to let him drop the hammer on the GP16 to see just how fast the bike is after Dovi and Maniac Joe turn in their times at the official test...and to do it away from the rest of the teams.

I think this test has less to do with feedback, and more to do with something else.
 
Plus I think the real reason for skipping the Phillip Island test was in case he went faster than anyone else there, which would have happened, and to have MotoGP trying to crack down on the Ducati again.
 
That article sounds written by a complete hack.

Totally.

To me it reads more as a 'fan blog' type of writing (the comment near the end insinuating to not believe for example, as well as the obvious race comment) than anything journalistic which usually sees a structure of sorts.

Mind you, I do not know if it is a translated article which may account for the poor style
 
Iirc, the plan was always for him to ride after the official Qatar test. Him participating in the official test at Sepang was actually more unusual.

I can think of a number of reasons not involving conspiracies for him not being involved in the official test at Qatar, chief among them that they may now want him to test the GP 16 which will be running in the first race in a couple of weeks and don't have many bikes to go around.

To go back to speculation, if Vinales could be fastest at PI you would expect Stoner to have been very competitive as has been said, and if he had been too fast it might not have pleased Dorna or helped them promote the new season which involves non-retired riders. Also if he is going to wild card Qatar was one of his best tracks, so if he does absolutely sensational times privately perhaps there is a vague hope he could be tempted.
 
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Manuel Pecino is one of the better journalists in the paddock. He is Spanish, speaks five or six languages exceptionally well, and writes in English. I believe he has some edit his work once he has written in English.

However, I agree that this article contains a little bit too much commentary for my liking. But the basic facts are correct, as I understand them.

And yes, I am painfully aware of my casting aspersions on the coloration of the kettle.
 
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Masturbation Opportunity Lost for some - Stoner to NOT test at Qatar

And yes, I am painfully aware of my casting aspersions on the coloration of the kettle.


Nice allusion to the idiomatic. It's good hear from a journalist who is not afraid to call a spade a manually operated soil dispersion device. [emoji4]
 
You mean a shovel (or should that be a club)?



Or does that make my staffie a soil dispersion device?
 
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Manuel Pecino is one of the better journalists in the paddock. He is Spanish, speaks five or six languages exceptionally well, and writes in English. I believe he has some edit his work once he has written in English.

However, I agree that this article contains a little bit too much commentary for my liking. But the basic facts are correct, as I understand them.

And yes, I am painfully aware of my casting aspersions on the coloration of the kettle.
I had no problem with the article's construction, but it is mostly commentary. If Stoner still has what he had before he retired though he will obviously be faster than Dovi, and Iannone while he has shown significant potential hasn't demonstrated he is a rider of that level as yet either.

Much though I would like to see it, I don't consider it very likely that Stoner will wild card at Qatar however, except perhaps from sheer perversity given that if he could actually be race competitive being so in the first race and at PI towards the end of the season with the championship possibly still in play would probably cause the biggest splash, particularly with PI having been his best circuit and Qatar probably his next best.
 
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I dont know why pecino correlate CS retiring as the reason for believed CS would do some wild cards
deciding to return just for wildcard was easy. just one race, no big deal.
deciding to retire was a lot harder.

yes CS asked for replacing Dani in Austin. but there was a strong reason, he's never raced in Austin before.

Qatar 2016? I dont see a strong reason if he would do a race.

but he might still race in Austin or Argentina tho. why people only mentioned PI and Qatar.



Sorry for my english
 
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I dont know why pecino correlate CS retiring as the reason for believed CS would do some wild cards
deciding to return just for wildcard was easy. just one race, no big deal.
deciding to retire was a lot harder.

yes CS asked for replacing Dani in Austin. but there was a strong reason, he's never raced in Austin before.

Qatar 2016? I dont see a strong reason if he would do a race.

but he might still race in Austin or Argentina tho. why people only mentioned PI and Qatar?



Sorry for my english
Casey had 6 race wins in the premier class at PI, 4 at Qatar plus a 250 class win.
 
maybe we are all reading to much into this... maybe everyone involved is happy the way things are... though as an avid follower of motor sports this situation does not seem natural, as team fastest rider rarely on the bike.
 
maybe we are all reading to much into this... maybe everyone involved is happy the way things are... though as an avid follower of motor sports this situation does not seem natural, as team fastest rider rarely on the bike.


I guess Stoner's situation could be said to be unnatural and that's probably why Honda didn't make much use of him as a test rider.
 

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