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Yamaha wanted race control to defuse Rossi/Marquez tensions (On Saturday)

Yamaha wanted race control to defuse Rossi/Marquez tensions
Always someone else's fault. Now its race directions fault that Rossi lost his mind and attacked another rider. What the .... is it with these people. Why should Marquez be called on the carpet, Rossi was the one flapping his gums and losing his mind. Maybe Yamaha or Rossi's dad should have seen the signs of Rossi's instability and pulled him aside and warned him that he was acting strange and they were concerned about his health. ....... Italians, is there any worse losers on the planet
 
Well let Rossi be the judge of that! His money,his friends!!!

You didn't say Rossi did you as you said 'were I' ........... plus by using a good friend he did cost himself a small fortune when that friend did not understand the tax laws.
 
Always someone else's fault. Now its race directions fault that Rossi lost his mind and attacked another rider. What the .... is it with these people. Why should Marquez be called on the carpet, Rossi was the one flapping his gums and losing his mind. Maybe Yamaha or Rossi's dad should have seen the signs of Rossi's instability and pulled him aside and warned him that he was acting strange and they were concerned about his health. ....... Italians, is there any worse losers on the planet

As I posted elsewhere when that come up

So why didn't Yamaha have words with Rossi?
I mean, if you have concerns and if the article is correct then Yamaha recognised Rossi's frustration prior to the race so why not look after your own backyard?
Sure make a formal complaint to Race Control over the 'alleged' conduct but don't forget that all that had been said at this point was an accusation by Rossi
The failing is not race control's as they cannot act formally without action of a written complaint, but the failing is of Merigalli for not sitting Rossi down and settling him down.
A calm and controlled Rossi may not have made the mistake (queue the downvotes) for which he was penalised.
There should be no shift of blame.


Maybe they need to look inhouse for the blame before trying to deflect it
 
Irregardless of personal motives RC missed an opportunity to get in front of this. Would strong words of warning on Saturday have changed anything on Sunday? Who knows, but it couldn't have hurt both riders to know big brother was watching.

Problem is though Mick, one cannot act based on 'he said' as Race Direction and control need something formal.

Had Rossi or Yamaha have lodged a formal complaint (a protest could have followed the race - funny, that was not done either) prior to teh event thence Race Control would have been obligated to look into the allegations and claims.

Given that there has been no person from any team come out and mention a formal complaint to Race Control, then I will assume that it was not done and as such were RD to take any action it need to have been informal, but it would also have shown a perceived bias because they 'trusted' and then 'acted' upon a comment.

Nope, if Yamaha wanted action they or a representative needed to raise the issue formally as then, and only then can RD really react as they have A formal issue with which to contend.

RD must at all times maintain a perception of unbiased (and yes, I know we all have our opinions of that) and so to act on a he said/she said scenario would have been poor form and open to allegations of extreme prejudice and bias
 
It would have happened before had their been a rider with the balls and talent on another team to tell Rossi to .... off.

Does a rider named Casey ring any bells? Talent/ambition = .... off
 
As I posted elsewhere when that come up

So why didn't Yamaha have words with Rossi?
I mean, if you have concerns and if the article is correct then Yamaha recognised Rossi's frustration prior to the race so why not look after your own backyard?
Sure make a formal complaint to Race Control over the 'alleged' conduct but don't forget that all that had been said at this point was an accusation by Rossi
The failing is not race control's as they cannot act formally without action of a written complaint, but the failing is of Merigalli for not sitting Rossi down and settling him down.
A calm and controlled Rossi may not have made the mistake (queue the downvotes) for which he was penalised.
There should be no shift of blame.


Maybe they need to look inhouse for the blame before trying to deflect it
Who's to say they didn't? We have no idea of what was going on internally.
 
Who's to say they didn't? We have no idea of what was going on internally.

Absolutely.

I base the comments on the fact that they then ran to RD (refer later post).

To me however, if they did indeed have words with Rossi and try to man-manage the situation all efforts failed miserably and yet we still have attempts to seemingly shift the ultimate responsibility.

Nope, if they did something (talk etc with VR) and he continued down the path he took thence Yamaha may need to revisit their personnel as VR obviously either will not listen or has less respect for that individual or person.

Remember that Honda removed some personnel after MM ignored directions and instructions for the same basic reasons, if the rider will not listen to the supervisor (my term, not sure of all involved titles) then you need to get someone whom they will listen to into the relevant role
 
....... Italians, is there any worse losers on the planet


Wait until the Rugby World Cup is over ............. when the Kiwis win, us Aussies will find every excuse under the bloody sun, I mean we may even bloody well blame it on Marquez as well
 
Problem is though Mick, one cannot act based on 'he said' as Race Direction and control need something formal.

Had Rossi or Yamaha have lodged a formal complaint (a protest could have followed the race - funny, that was not done either) prior to teh event thence Race Control would have been obligated to look into the allegations and claims.

Given that there has been no person from any team come out and mention a formal complaint to Race Control, then I will assume that it was not done and as such were RD to take any action it need to have been informal, but it would also have shown a perceived bias because they 'trusted' and then 'acted' upon a comment.

Nope, if Yamaha wanted action they or a representative needed to raise the issue formally as then, and only then can RD really react as they have A formal issue with which to contend.

RD must at all times maintain a perception of unbiased (and yes, I know we all have our opinions of that) and so to act on a he said/she said scenario would have been poor form and open to allegations of extreme prejudice and bias
I will listen to your expertise on this but...

In your experience has race direction/control in any series level never taken a couple of riders aside and said cool it dudes?

Do they need a formal complaint to call a couple of riders in and reiterate what is acceptable on-track comportment?

Does it infer bias to say we see a storm a brewin' and we will be watching to see if and where it touches down?

I just think that after Rossi's Thursday bile spewage that some form of official statement (published or in private) stating that eyes are watching and gavels will fall may have had some impact on Sunday's events.
 
Does a rider named Casey ring any bells? Talent/ambition = .... off
Casey had a mouth and was so scary fast, but he really didnt relish rough riding. I considered him when i made that comment but came to the conclusion that he didnt have the balls to actually strike back. He never did rough Rossi up after Rossi took him out in the infamous ambition outweighed your talent issue. Marc loves hard racing and is just as fast as Casey, maybe faster. I knew he wouldnt take Rossi's ...., and he didnt.As a matter of fact, Marc is saying right now in his head, i owe that .......... one
 
Absolutely.

I base the comments on the fact that they then ran to RD (refer later post).

To me however, if they did indeed have words with Rossi and try to man-manage the situation all efforts failed miserably and yet we still have attempts to seemingly shift the ultimate responsibility.

Nope, if they did something (talk etc with VR) and he continued down the path he took thence Yamaha may need to revisit their personnel as VR obviously either will not listen or has less respect for that individual or person.

Remember that Honda removed some personnel after MM ignored directions and instructions for the same basic reasons, if the rider will not listen to the supervisor (my term, not sure of all involved titles) then you need to get someone whom they will listen to into the relevant role

Unfortunately I believe Rossi so believed, and was invested in his own theory, that he wasn't going to listen to anyone. Maybe Yam execs thought RD could impart some wisdom.

Note: I am NOT saying in any way that Sunday's events were precipitated by MM, but a warning all around couldn't have hurt.
 
I will listen to your expertise on this but...

In your experience has race direction/control in any series level never taken a couple of riders aside and said cool it dudes?

Do they need a formal complaint to call a couple of riders in and reiterate what is acceptable on-track comportment?

Does it infer bias to say we see a storm a brewin' and we will be watching to see if and where it touches down?

I just think that after Rossi's Thursday bile spewage that some form of official statement (published or in private) stating that eyes are watching and gavels will fall may have had some impact on Sunday's events.
Then they should have said something to Rossi. Why should Marquez be pulled away because Rossi is losing his mind. Still to this day, Marquez's reaction to the entire scenario has been beyond reproach.
 
Then they should have said something to Rossi. Why should Marquez be pulled away because Rossi is losing his mind. Still to this day, Marquez's reaction to the entire scenario has been beyond reproach.

FWIW they could have talked to Rossi alone or the whole grid or VR, JL, MM and AI, or any combination of the above... Obviously it was Vale who most required a reminder but a less than gentle reminder to everyone could have helped and removed implications of bias.
 
Casey had a mouth and was so scary fast, but he really didnt relish rough riding. I considered him when i made that comment but came to the conclusion that he didnt have the balls to actually strike back. He never did rough Rossi up after Rossi took him out in the infamous ambition outweighed your talent issue. Marc loves hard racing and is just as fast as Casey, maybe faster. I knew he wouldnt take Rossi's ...., and he didnt.As a matter of fact, Marc is saying right now in his head, i owe that .......... one

Agree, Stoner didn't believe in rough riding, and I think his comments after LS 2008 reflected a belief that Rossi had an unfair advantage due to his relative lack of scruples and RD allowing him latitude to get away with non-employment of same.

This is why the current hypocrisy from both Rossi and his fans is ironic and amusing, particularly in view of Motegi 2010 as you say, but also Jerez 2011 imo.

If MM is guilty as accused (at Sepang I mean, the PI accusation is totally ridiculous) what other reaction did Rossi honestly expect, or anyone else with even a casual acquaintance with how MM rolls?. Whatever else, I have never thought Rossi was stupid.
 
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I will listen to your expertise on this but...

In your experience has race direction/control in any series level never taken a couple of riders aside and said cool it dudes?

YES

But in the cases of which I am aware the issues were witnessed by race control (all cases involved a bit of push and shove at overtakes).

I have never seen them act or speak with rider after someone 'had a whinge' about an act that was not reported by officials etc. That said, I do know that often they have then kept an eye on the 'offending' rider in an unofficial capacity to 'monitor things' shall we say.



Do they need a formal complaint to call a couple of riders in and reiterate what is acceptable on-track comportment?

Club level, what occurred with Yamaha would be fine but when you start getting to National and International level it is becoming a business and as such there is a due process as we have juries etc that can become involved and the failure to adhere to due process can cause issues with the results of the higher legal challenges



Does it infer bias to say we see a storm a brewin' and we will be watching to see if and where it touches down?

Yes, if and where they address a single rider only

they could absolutely have raised the matter at the riders briefing but given that Rossi had already had his press conference by then, it would have been seen as 'pandering to Rossi' (we cannot forget that MM is not the only rider in the paddock who may not like Rossi)

Certainly if Yamaha got in first, RD could have addressed concerns at the riders briefing but we have to look at things in the order in which they occurred and that option was removed from RD's hands by the press conference


I just think that after Rossi's Thursday bile spewage that some form of official statement (published or in private) stating that eyes are watching and gavels will fall may have had some impact on Sunday's events.

Still would have been seen as pandering to Rossi, if not even supporting the accusations.

In a lot of ways however Rossi has done them a favour with HIS action on the track as RD now have a valid case to get involved before the Valencia weekend and make things clear cut as to the rider responsibilities but again, the risk (for RD) is that MM did not break rules and as such, much of what they do will seem to be pandering.

Whilst all the above is my opinion, I may differ from a lot but I think RD did relatively well throughout thus far in the way in which they have handled the entire sideshow. Whilst I may have my own opinions on the penalty the fact that they stressed that MM's actions were not against the rules cannot be stressed enough (even when some choose not to read that part - not directed in your direction)
 
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Well so the question to be answer end up as follow.

Who will be World Champion after Valencia?

Lorenzo, I will be... I am faster than Rossi. I want to be in the front pole and ride away. That is the promise I can be world champion. I am happy MM and VR fight. That will play to my hand.

Rossi, If I don't do it this year, next will be much harder. I want to get to pole and ride home to promise me the 10th title. I will be a Legend in the making. No one ever hit double digit except me. No matter when I retire will be remember as LEGEND!

Marc ! I won't care about finishing. I won't care about tyre management. I will race VR only in this race. I will jump him ahead and slow him down. Like I care crashing after all this year i have done a few. I am all war. Having one less trophy versus seeeing VR lost No 10 World Champion title is much more worth it. GAMES ON !

YAMAHA ! Peg the MOTORBIKE in showroom with Lorenzo Picture 3rd World Champion versus Rossi 10th World Champion have major impact in sales and branding. Put both of them in race Valencia may not result in what they wanted. Sicne they already capture constructor championship and last is World Champion. Took both out of the Valencia Race to boycott FIM may nto be bad idea. Although Yamaha have more gain then lost. What FIM will do? Nothing they can do to YAMAHA as they are major player in MotoGP.

MotoGP FIM ! Just want Valencia to be a great race for TV and FAN. They want mileage. They want make last race interesting. They just want Business not sport although they sound preaching sport.

FAN ! This is tricky. Plenty of opinion. FAN of ROSSI will celebrate if he become WC and life goes on. Italy will celebrate plenty of Beer and WINE and ... !!!!! LOL. Other will non stop spamming forum complain left rigth center. Overall still good for Biz... Lorenzo WC. Celebration may not be Hot like Rossi but Internet for sure gona hit by rock. Very good for Biz. Traffic gona hit stand still. MM will also celebrate in away. His Fan will pat his back and say well done. Likely not for his WIN in Valencia but his role to make ROSSI lost.

ME? ! I prefer this. YAMAHA out of Valencia Race. Make ROSSI WC. But he must retired from MotoGP so next year we can focus back in MotoGP sports. Else next year will start with personal hatred rather than sport. Not fair for the sport. Lorenzo have to take it that is Biz. But he can become YAMAHA No 1 next year.
 
Unfortunately I believe Rossi so believed, and was invested in his own theory, that he wasn't going to listen to anyone. Maybe Yam execs thought RD could impart some wisdom.

Note: I am NOT saying in any way that Sunday's events were precipitated by MM, but a warning all around couldn't have hurt.


Agree

Rossi believes that he is 100% correct (and I have no issue with him believing it either) and as such, why should he listen?

I suspect that throughout his career very few people within Team Rossi have ever questioned him (when they do I suspect they no longer last) and so to perhaps have a member suggesting he think again etc would not have been well received. Now before some jump up and down, that attitude of Rossi is why he is where he is and really, is a top flight sports attitude of the ultimate self belief (nothing wrong with it)

With regards to the chats, RD can act on facts and their suspicions, not the suspicions of another party
 
FWIW they could have talked to Rossi alone or the whole grid or VR, JL, MM and AI, or any combination of the above... Obviously it was Vale who most required a reminder but a less than gentle reminder to everyone could have helped and removed implications of bias.

I would have had no issue were RD to speak with Rossi and only Rossi (in rider terms) after the approach from Yamaha, but only after the approach from Yamaha

I do not think that it would have made a difference however but who knows
 
He never did rough Rossi up after Rossi took him out in the infamous ambition outweighed your talent issue.

It's kind of hard to rough up a mid-grid rider when you are winning races and championships ;)
 

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