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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 14 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In QP he did manage just as many race tyre 1:37s as Pedro, and only Lorenzo had more. See my post from the race thread for more info.

Rossi's best race tyre time was 1:37.540, so it did appear that he had similar pace to Pedrosa for sure and Lorenzo possibly during QP on race tyres.

So to say that he never had the pace to keep with Pedrosa and Lorenzo all weekend is incorrect. He was actually faster than Pedrosa in FP1 and FP3, slower by 0.04 in FP2, slower by 0.062 on race tyres in QP. He was faster than Lorenzo in all three FPs, but slower in QP on race tyres by 0.195

In the race, as you say, he only managed one very high 1:37, implying that either the conditions were worse than in QP, or that his tyre choice might not have been optimal. Whether he should have chosen a "harder" tyre is, as #36 Fan states, a pointless discussion. None of us know what tyres were available and there are significantly more compound possibilities than "hard" "medium" and "soft" - that's just dumbed down journo speak.

he had 1 SINGLE lap in the mid 1:37's ,ONE. Thats hardly anything to determine a pace on. He had multiple laps in the high 1:37's and low 1:38's. Lorenzo, Edwards and Pedrosa all had more laps in the mid 1:37's

In the second quailifying pedrosa had 3 laps in the mid 1:38's and Rossi had ONE, his next fastest lap was a 1:39.2!

it the 3rd qualifying practice Rossi busted out a 1:37.9 on the last lap but for the entire practice he was around 1:37.3/4/5 with an occational .2 Pedrosa's last 4 laps were consisted low low 1:38's like .0/.1/.2

you guys can throw one lap wonders all you want, fact is his pace was slower. He did great to get that out of the bridegestones. Nobody else was close. Oh and I can't believe you threw in FP1 lol, it was wet, come on. And qualifiers were mentioned again, like they actually race on them! you guys need to come better then that!

Pedrosa was faster all weekend (minus the wet), I can't see how you guys are trying to argue this.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 15 2008, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats because you haven't been paying attention. We also have Michelin techs, chassis techs, suspension techs, and Yamaha techs, Honda techs, Ducati techs, Suzuki techs, Kawasaki techs...etc. We even got a few psychologists, mind-readers, marketing executives, lawyers, and rocket scientists here.

Just stay away from the ....-site techs.

here here.we all have an opinion or a thought.thats the name of the game on a forum such as this.

its a case of serious fun and im sure if given chance we would all want to be in the pits of our fav riders to give them our so called advise,you never no it could work.

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It looks to me as though Rossi, though still unbelieveably fast, will not be as dominant as he was a few years ago unless he has both a superior machine and tires so he can have the luxury of hanging back a few spots till near the end and then put 10 or 15 seconds on the rest of the field. Is it possible that he has matured and can't keep up with the new guys?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 15 2008, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he had 1 SINGLE lap in the mid 1:37's ,ONE. Thats hardly anything to determine a pace on. He had multiple laps in the high 1:37's and low 1:38's. Lorenzo, Edwards and Pedrosa all had more laps in the mid 1:37's
This is not true. Unfortunately with the beta version of the motogp site being all there is now, I can no longer point you to the results pdfs to show the facts.
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Pedrosa - 4 lap run with 3 1:37s. Best race tyre time was 1:37.478.
Rossi - 7 lap run, with 3 1:37s. Best race tyre time was 1:37.540.
Edwards - 5 lap run with 2 1:37s. Best race tyre time was 1:37.738.
Hayden - 5 lap run with 1 1:37. Best race tyre time was 1:37.981.
No-one else managed to get into the 1:37s at all on race tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 15 2008, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the second quailifying pedrosa had 3 laps in the mid 1:38's and Rossi had ONE, his next fastest lap was a 1:39.2!

it the 3rd qualifying practice Rossi busted out a 1:37.9 on the last lap but for the entire practice he was around 1:37.3/4/5 with an occational .2 Pedrosa's last 4 laps were consisted low low 1:38's like .0/.1/.2

you guys can throw one lap wonders all you want, fact is his pace was slower. He did great to get that out of the bridegestones. Nobody else was close. Oh and I can't believe you threw in FP1 lol, it was wet, come on.
I was simply trying show that to say he was never on the pace of Lorenzo and Pedrosa over the whole weekend was wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 15 2008, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And qualifiers were mentioned again, like they actually race on them! you guys need to come better then that!

Pedrosa was faster all weekend (minus the wet), I can't see how you guys are trying to argue this.
I did not mention qualifiers at all as I agree they are irrelevant. In fact I agree with pretty much everything you've said apart from the facts about who got what 1:37s in QP, and that different tyres would have definitely made no difference - that is unknowable.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 15 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi - 7 lap run, with 3 1:37s. Best race tyre time was 1:37.540.

read what I wrote again, the 7 lap run was consistent low 1:38's and high 1:37's and ONE mid 1:37

the other 1:37's he ran were a 1:37.88x and a 1:37.9XX i cant see them either.

I never said Rossi couldnt run a 1:37, I just stated the mid 1:37 he ran had no other lap within .34x second to back it up. it was a one lap wonder. Pedrosa had several laps in the mid 1:37's
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 16 2008, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>read what I wrote again, the 7 lap run was consistent low 1:38's and high 1:37's and ONE mid 1:37

the other 1:37's he ran were a 1:37.88x and a 1:37.9XX i cant see them either.

I never said Rossi couldnt run a 1:37, I just stated the mid 1:37 he ran had no other lap within .34x second to back it up. it was a one lap wonder. Pedrosa had several laps in the mid 1:37's
I did read what you wrote. I was not responding to that part of the post. I even highlighted the bit I was responding to. You said Edwards had more mid 1:37s than Rossi - this was not correct as he never even managed a mid 1:37.

As I said, I agree with almost all of what you are saying.
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