Next GP bikes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 9 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get what you are saying and this is the MotoGP forum. I don't want to see electric MotoGP bikes ever. I would like to see them switch to ethanol but that is it. Mass transportation? That is another issue all together. Then your 21 liter calculus becomes billions of liters and there is no solution cost-wise that contains liquid fuel for mass transit. Electricity is cheap to almost costless. 99% of the earth is >1000C. Drill deep-... holes, dump in water, boil water, steam turns stuff, get electricity, steam condenses back to water, dump down hole... that is it. Nothing else will be able to compete. Why do you think no one wants to build new refineries? They are obsolete before they lay the footings. You may not make it to 2109 to see it but that is the new wave.
I would't like to see an all electric series but a series mixed with various prototypes inc electric would be great.


Electricity may be costless but harnessing it is very expensive. im sure there are easer ways than drilling hundreds of miles down into the earth and pumping water down there then generating that power then the storage ect. I think that would take a lot more effort than you may think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Feb 5 2009, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you don't like the look of a bike you can always chop it
This one looks cool.
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This is MIT boys...MIT. Not some treehugger society. They are saying costless energy for several thousands of years at 2000 times the usage of today with today's technology. I cringe when I hear about people saying we need to scale back and live like semi cave men in darkness. "We can't do that it will cool off the earth"... shake off your BS brainwashing and think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 10 2009, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This one looks cool.
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michelin tires?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 10 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is MIT boys...MIT. Not some treehugger society. They are saying costless energy for several thousands of years at 2000 times the usage of today with today's technology. I cringe when I hear about people saying we need to scale back and live like semi cave men in darkness. "We can't do that it will cool off the earth"... shake off your BS brainwashing and think.
Then what after several thousands of years ? Would the planets core heat have been depleted by this method ? if its only going to last several thousands of years then its not sustainable so we should look else where.

You contradict your self above. You say the planet will cool if we dont use the energy and imply thats a bad thing yet say its ok to tap into the earths mantle for energy that will only last thousands of years, surely that will cool the planet from the core killing it !
what are you saying here ? we should cool the mantle so we can heat up the surface ?

I guess everything is finite but what do you call relatively infinite? Several thousand years? Oil...several decades at best. Nuclear, worked in that industry and it is not desirable. Wind? what if we slow the planet? Oh GOD! (were did I keep the candles...oh .... no paraffin...bad) Every form of energy production is a transition to a better form. Surely a few thousand years is a good start in the right direction. They say 2000 times the energy for several thousand years. Well it would take a few thousand years at least just to tap the output potential and then you have millennia to work out the next step. Besides if you look at the efficiency of modern electronics every year we use less to get the same result further delaying the oncoming ice age from us sucking all the heat out of the earth with geothermal technology.

I said sarcastically the planet will cool off in quotations mocking the thought in my previous post. Why don't we just irradiate it or cover it in dinosaur soot and see how long that lasts...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 9 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Drill deep-... holes, dump in water, boil water, steam turns stuff, get electricity, steam condenses back to water, dump down hole... that is it. Nothing else will be able to compete. Why do you think no one wants to build new refineries? They are obsolete before they lay the footings. You may not make it to 2109 to see it but that is the new wave.


Do you have any idea how deep the hole would have to be to do this? Hahaha

Look, we already solved the problem of how to get electricity. They're called nuclear reactors.

But drilling a deep ... hole made me laugh. Thanks for that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 10 2009, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Do you have any idea how deep the hole would have to be to do this? Hahaha

Look, we already solved the problem of how to get electricity. They're called nuclear reactors.

But drilling a deep ... hole made me laugh. Thanks for that.
Nuclear fusion is the future power supply...

zero radiation/carbondioxide

and it gives 1000x the power of a nuclear reactor

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Feb 10 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Looks like I've found a new hobby!! Ha ha! Thanks mattsteg!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 10 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Do you have any idea how deep the hole would have to be to do this? Hahaha

Look, we already solved the problem of how to get electricity. They're called nuclear reactors.

But drilling a deep ... hole made me laugh. Thanks for that.

Drilling ten kilometers deep (that is deep ... to me) is not out of the range of today's technology....as specified in the very interesting MIT report I love to cite because I find it so interesting. Not hundreds, ten km. I worked in nuclear engineering when on a work term in college. I'll tell you if you trust 1.5mm wall Inconel tubing you haven't been there. I'm all about cost/benefit and safety. Nuclear is not it IMO. I routinely have this discussion with a buddy that works in the nuclear industry. We don't agree. I don't quit easily.

Back to the subject at hand I guess. Next GP bikes. Hey I'd be happy to see a funny front end or two in the series. Some guy wants to try an electric motor have at it.