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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Feb 6 2009, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many acid tabs do you take per week?

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Valcent set a world record not long ago for producing 30,000 gallons of biodiesel per acre per year.

I am talking about locally grown fuels that don't use arable land. At only 30,000 gallons per acre per year the United States could power every vehicle in the United States using 10 square miles of non-arable land. Furthermore, algae in a closed-loop system must be fed CO2, it can't extract it naturally from the atmosphere. CO2 would become a valuable commodity when algal oil is feasible.

You're right to be skeptical, algal oil extraction costs about 5x-10x (about $150-$300 per barrel) as much much as conventional petroleum extraction. However, many companies are working on the problem, companies much bigger than Valcent, and they have attracted very big investments. Billionaire Gates and his band of venture capitalists, known as Cascade Group, recently gave 150 million to Sapphire Energy for the production of an algal oil refinement facility.

Electrical energy only appears to be the future because it is the natural progression of current electric hybrid technology. Unfortunately, electric hybrid technology isn't that good. It is simply an overly complex set of technologies designed to improve efficiency while guarding our car makers from emerging industrial powers like China. Mechanical hybrid technology stores energy in a spinning mass (a flywheel) so it is about twice as efficient as electric hybrids. Flywheel technology is also substantially cheaper and it weighs less than electric hybrids. It has some reliability issues and rotational mass issues (bad for motor vehicle handling) but a few major manufacturers are rumored to be sorting the problems in F1 this season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 6 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>love it or loath it, at least it looks a true prototype unlike the tarted up road bikes we call prototypes
ye! lets make a f1 car on 2 wheels!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 7 2009, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>looks like the bike out of the next tron movie.
Tron... there's a scary, memory jogging blast-from-the-past!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Feb 5 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you don't like the look of a bike you can always chop it, But this doesn't sound so bad does it?

"High Performance Electric Motor
Mission motorcycles' induction motor provides over 100 foot-pounds of torque. Unlike an engine, however, the torque curve on our electric is completely flat. The rider feels 100 foot-pounds of torque at a standstill, at 60 mph, and everywhere in between. Gasoline motorcycle require multiple gears in order to provide power at different speeds. The torque curve on our electric motor means that a Mission motorcycle can achieve gasoline sportbike performance with no gears. And all that power comes in a package about the size of a soccer ball."
This sounds like pure BS to me. There are bikes with alot more torque than that and very linear torque curves, still they need gears. The gearbox is used to hold the engine as close as possible to peak hp for maximum acceleration. With only one gear you can only utilize maximum power when you reach your top speed.

100 lb-ft of torque between 0-6500rpm means a perfectly linear power curve peaking at a little over 120hp at 6500rpm. If the bike is geared for 150mph (taken from their web site) it means available power at 60mph will be somewhere around 50hp. This bike will be trounced by a 600cc sportbike unless they put a proper gearbox in it.
 
Products like the supercapacitor EESTOR is working on are the future. A combination of supercapacitors, solar, wind and geothermal will solve the energy problem for ever.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 9 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Products like the supercapacitor EESTOR is working on are the future. A combination of supercapacitors, solar, wind and geothermal will solve the energy problem for ever.
What is a "supercapacitor"? I dont understand how that relates to an electric motor bike. A capasitor gives all its charge in one go, like a one shot battery, is this supercapasitor different ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 9 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is a "supercapacitor"? I dont understand how that relates to an electric motor bike. A capasitor gives all its charge in one go, like a one shot battery, is this supercapasitor different ?
very very true...

but the discharging depends on his capasity(in farad)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 9 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is a "supercapacitor"?A really high capacity capacitor, more or less. I believe they also maintain their charge better than traditional capacitors.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 9 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont understand how that relates to an electric motor bike.Capacitors can store high voltages and have huge current capacities for both charging and discharging. They can also be reasonably light. They would be an excellent option for regenerative braking and providing short-term boosts of power. Because they're so efficient and can sink and source so much current, they could give you a big range and performance boost for any time you're doing a lot of accelerating and decelerating.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 9 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A capasitor gives all its charge in one go, like a one shot battery, is this supercapasitor different ?
That's not really an accurate description of a capacitor. They discharge according to the formula V=V0e^–t/RC. t is the time spent discharging. There's no reason that you can't stop in the middle of discharging and then start up later. Capacitors aren't real great at maintaining their charge for long periods of time, can't store huge amounts of energy, and have a voltage output that changes rapidly while they discharge which needs to be accounted for. With high enough capacitance and the right circuitry they can do quite a bit. For start/stop riding they could potentially be particularly useful.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 9 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant wait till its 2109 and we will see these things in practice
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Yeah ,interesting stuff. This stuff is true prototype's imho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 9 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah ,interesting stuff. This stuff is true prototype's imho
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future bikes will run on kryptonite, and have the shape of bullet....

o my god, what amazing times wil that be
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Things have a way of changing pretty fast. I would say the animosity toward big oil/gas is high enough that this technology could decimate the present 4 cycle engine pretty shortly if they can get it past the R&D stage. I would buy an electric car right now powered by an eestor unit if it was available.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 9 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Things have a way of changing pretty fast. I would say the animosity toward big oil/gas is high enough that this technology could decimate the present 4 cycle engine pretty shortly if they can get it past the R&D stage. I would buy an electric car right now powered by an eestor unit if it was available.
i think that 21 litres of fuel aint that expensive....
 
I get what you are saying and this is the MotoGP forum. I don't want to see electric MotoGP bikes ever. I would like to see them switch to ethanol but that is it. Mass transportation? That is another issue all together. Then your 21 liter calculus becomes billions of liters and there is no solution cost-wise that contains liquid fuel for mass transit. Electricity is cheap to almost costless. 99% of the earth is >1000C. Drill deep-... holes, dump in water, boil water, steam turns stuff, get electricity, steam condenses back to water, dump down hole... that is it. Nothing else will be able to compete. Why do you think no one wants to build new refineries? They are obsolete before they lay the footings. You may not make it to 2109 to see it but that is the new wave.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 9 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get what you are saying and this is the MotoGP forum. I don't want to see electric MotoGP bikes ever. I would like to see them switch to ethanol but that is it. Mass transportation? That is another issue all together. Then your 21 liter calculus becomes billions of liters and there is no solution cost-wise that contains liquid fuel for mass transit. Electricity is cheap to almost costless. 99% of the earth is >1000C. Drill deep-... holes, dump in water, boil water, steam turns stuff, get electricity, steam condenses back to water, dump down hole... that is it. Nothing else will be able to compete. Why do you think no one wants to build new refineries? They are obsolete before they lay the footings. You may not make it to 2109 to see it but that is the new wave.

Negative.

Our orbit and the strength/polarity of earth's magnetic field are very closely related to the health of the earth's molten core. While I doubt humanity could have a significant impact on the earth's specific density, cooling of the earth's mantle is something we really can't afford to mess with.

Use the vents we got, no need to make new ones.
 

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