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michaelm said:
You pivot from the ad hominem logical fallacy to the red herring fallacy.

The score is Rossi has taken out MM twice, once by an absolutely deliberate move rather than by any error; some say the other incident was deliberate as well, which I don't contend myself, but the evidence for it being so is at least compelling as for Rossi's (and Uccio's) lunatic conspiracy theory regarding PI 2015, from which they do not resile. In the case of both Argentinian incidents the rider taken out could have avoided crashing out of the respective races by accepting the inevitable ie that they were being passed by a much faster rider.

Why, btw, does Mr 9/7 titles Rossi at the age of 39 require the presence of a childhood friend in his garage to reprove competitors who offend him by hitting them over the head with his handbag?. MM who is currently 25 seems to be capable of acting on his own behalf, as was Stoner at Jerez 2011 when he was also 25. I strongly suspect Stoner's wife was in the garage at Jerez, but neither he nor she seemed to perceive any need for any involvement from her.
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Marquez doesn't eat his cereal without Dadmom Julia and Uncle Emilio spoonfeeding him.

Try again.
 
danski said:
The other thing that is overlooked (because of the single incident focus) is the multiple incidents leading up to that one.
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Which did not involve Rossi nor anyone being taken out, and resulted from rules being made up on the fly by RD which led to MM being relegated to the rear of the field, when he would have won or finished 2nd without even seeing any rider other than Miller if the riders who had made the wrong tire choice had started in single file from the pits rather than Dorna's/RD's ad hoc solution being applied because they thought the TV show might be impaired.

Naturally Rossi's previous form in relation to similar incidents is inadmissable of course.
 
synn said:
Marquez doesn't eat his cereal without Dadmom Julia and Uncle Emilio spoonfeeding him.

Try again.
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Please provide a link.

Red herring again. MM is more than capable of speaking on his own behalf as he has done throughout all of this brouhaha.
 
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michaelm said:
Which did not involve Rossi nor anyone being taken out, and resulted from rules being made up on the fly by RD which led to MM being relegated to the rear of the field, when he would have won or finished 2nd without even seeing any rider other than Miller if the riders who had made the wrong tire choice had started in single file from the pits rather than Dorna's/RD's ad hoc solution being applied because they thought the TV show might be impaired.

Naturally Rossi's previous form in relation to similar incidents is inadmissable of course.
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The rule that delegated Marquez to the back of the field was not made on the fly. He did not raise his hand for assistance when his bike stalled and even rode the wrong way around the track to restart it. He is lucky he didn't get black flagged like how some expert riders said he should have been.

But hey, since we are playing whataboutism, what about a debate when Mitchell actually displays a semblance of intelligence?
 
michaelm said:
Which did not involve Rossi nor anyone being taken out, and resulted from rules being made up on the fly by RD which led to MM being relegated to the rear of the field, when he would have won or finished 2nd without even seeing any rider other than Miller if the riders who had made the wrong tire choice had started in single file from the pits rather than Dorna's/RD's ad hoc solution being applied because they thought the TV show might be impaired.

Naturally Rossi's previous form in relation to similar incidents is inadmissable of course.
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MM started from his normal position, he didn't get relegated to the back of the grid.
 
danski said:
MM started from his normal position, he didn't get relegated to the back of the grid.
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You are being obtuse, presumably deliberately, comme d'habitude. The penalty which relegated him resulted from the innovations for the start.
 
synn said:
The rule that delegated Marquez to the back of the field was not made on the fly. He did not raise his hand for assistance when his bike stalled and even rode the wrong way around the track to restart it. He is lucky he didn't get black flagged like how some expert riders said he should have been.

But hey, since we are playing whataboutism, what about a debate when Mitchell actually displays a semblance of intelligence?
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I am disappointed. You are are displaying rather less than your usual range of logical fallacies, merely pivoting from red herring to argumentum ad hominem.
 
Was Marquez's ride through penalty a result of RD/marshals not following their own rules?
 
Jumkie said:
The problem with the 3rd factory Yamaha thingy is....


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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Its time Yamaha said .... off to the ...... Or if they won't let the mechanics take him out back and whack him with a big tuning fork.
 
RG500Gamma said:
I do understand your view but in those kind of situations people tend to be emotional and temperamental. I agree we should expect class and sportsmanship at that level of competition.
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You only have to listen to these riders open their mouths, I can't think of one who can be classified as intelligent. As for class, well its a given they wouldn't know what that is.
 
Gaz said:
You do not lose your talent overnight, nor via an excursion to Ducati - as Rossi had showed.

Sure, he may well go back with the tail between the legs but Yamaha could do far worse than welcome him back as afterall, they will have bikes that do not yet have a home.

My opinion only ............. a manufacturer would be absolutely stupid mot to sound out Jorge as we have to remember that Yamaha seem to have gone downhill since he left whilst Ducati went uphill ....... sure, it may be coincidence but then it may be influence
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The only problem with this is that Yamaha don't have a current satellite team for next year and I'd guess that Marc VDS wouldn't touch them with a barge pole as he'd only have 2 seasons.
 
synn said:
While I agree that Dovi will never win a championship after his 125 triumph, I think it’s a bit premature to call him J.Lo’s former teammate.
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I am referring to Rossi as I am sure you know but decided to ignore.
 
synn said:
We can apply the same standards to Rossi after he attempts to mow down half the field over one weekend.
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I've not seen one rider attempt to mow down half the riders, ever!
 

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