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doing my head in, is he staying at Ducati? Is he leaving? where will he go? Suzuki? Back to Yamaha? I cant believe that There is not a plan here. My gut feeling tells me Jorge wants to stay and make it work at Ducati for a much lower fee. I want him to go back , cap in hand like VR did to Yamaha ,and what he knows.i find it depressing. He is such a lovely young man, don't want him leaving MOTOGP altogether.:cry:
 
doing my head in, is he staying at Ducati? Is he leaving? where will he go? Suzuki? Back to Yamaha? I cant believe that There is not a plan here. My gut feeling tells me Jorge wants to stay and make it work at Ducati for a much lower fee. I want him to go back , cap in hand like VR did to Yamaha ,and what he knows.i find it depressing. He is such a lovely young man, don't want him leaving MOTOGP altogether.:cry:

Yamaha is out till 2021 and who knows what the landscape will be by that point. Suzuki is the logical choice unless he wants to beat his head into the ground for another couple of years.
 
What about the rumoured 3rd factory yam
? If it is a worthwhile ride by next year.
 
I think the rumored possibility of a de-facto 3rd factory bike operated under Marc VDS is the most likely destination for Jorge. I'd like to see him on a Suzuki but I don't think Suzuki has the budget to afford him, nor it seems like a very Suzuki-like move
 
Let's examine this by first stating the obvious and see if we can extrapolate the likely outcome.

1. He has drawn negative attention by Ducati on himself from awful performances, causing crashes, and worse, hostility towards his employer via insubordination (every team in the paddock understand he would could become a disgruntled employee).

2. His stock worth has tumbled into the gutter. If Dovi got 7M, Lorenzo is worth 1-2M to Ducati. Possibly less to Suzuki.

3. Places he is not going: Yamaha, Honda, KTM, Aprilia, or any satellites.

4. Who can afford him at the discounted rate: Factory Ducati.

Analysis: Lorenzo has two available options, Ducati and Suzuki. Ducati has started the negotiations quite publicly by saying they are considering Miller and Petrucci, this is a tactic to indicate what Ducati is willing to offer Lorenzo peanuts. The message, we already broke the bank, you're a bust, we broke the emergency piggybank to sign Dovi, but we found some lose change under the couch, here's looking at you Jorge. Both Ducati and Suzuki have a strong hand in the negotiation, Lorenzo's is weak and has increasingly got worse. Suzuki have never paid high dollar, but they hold one important ace, their bike is a shade of blue. Suzuki have a bike that in theory suits Lorenzo more than Ducati. Lorenzo should understand one important fact, regardless where he goes his paycheck will about the same with Ducati or Suzuki, that being significantly discounted; Ducati because they claim don't have any money left, Suzuki because they are the "99" cent store of GP.

Options: Ducati or Suzuki
Compensation: .... either or
Suitability: advantage Suzuki
Ego: advantage Ducati



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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Let's examine this by first stating the obvious and see if we can extrapolate the likely outcome.

1. He has drawn negative attention by Ducati on himself from awful performances, causing crashes, and worse, hostility towards his employer via insubordination (every team in the paddock understand he would could become a disgruntled employee).

2. His stock worth has tumbled into the gutter. If Dovi got 7M, Lorenzo is worth 1-2M to Ducati. Possibly less to Suzuki.

3. Places he is not going: Yamaha, Honda, KTM, Aprilia, or any satellites.

4. Who can afford him at the discounted rate: Factory Ducati.

Analysis: Lorenzo has two available options, Ducati and Suzuki. Ducati has started the negotiations quite publicly by saying they are considering Miller and Petrucci, this is a tactic to indicate what Ducati is willing to offer Lorenzo peanuts. The message, we already broke the bank, you're a bust, we broke the emergency piggybank to sign Dovi, but we found some lose change under the couch, here's looking at you Jorge. Both Ducati and Suzuki have a strong hand in the negotiation, Lorenzo's is weak and has increasingly got worse. Suzuki have never paid high dollar, but they hold one important ace, their bike is a shade of blue. Suzuki have a bike that in theory suits Lorenzo more than Ducati. Lorenzo should understand one important fact, regardless where he goes his paycheck will about the same with Ducati or Suzuki, that being significantly discounted; Ducati because they claim don't have any money left, Suzuki because they are the "99" cent store of GP.

Options: Ducati or Suzuki
Compensation: .... either or
Suitability: advantage Suzuki
Ego: advantage Ducati



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

I've heard rumors of a third factory Yamaha being vacated for him.

If Suzuki sign him, I think they will increase their commitment when they see that JL is a true title threat.

I find it incredible that everyone is writing this guy off. He has five world titles, and has the fifth highest tally of race wins in history and is still young.
 
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Let's examine this by first stating the obvious and see if we can extrapolate the likely outcome.

1. He has drawn negative attention by Ducati on himself from awful performances, causing crashes, and worse, hostility towards his employer via insubordination (every team in the paddock understand he would could become a disgruntled employee).

2. His stock worth has tumbled into the gutter. If Dovi got 7M, Lorenzo is worth 1-2M to Ducati. Possibly less to Suzuki.

3. Places he is not going: Yamaha, Honda, KTM, Aprilia, or any satellites.

4. Who can afford him at the discounted rate: Factory Ducati.

Analysis: Lorenzo has two available options, Ducati and Suzuki. Ducati has started the negotiations quite publicly by saying they are considering Miller and Petrucci, this is a tactic to indicate what Ducati is willing to offer Lorenzo peanuts. The message, we already broke the bank, you're a bust, we broke the emergency piggybank to sign Dovi, but we found some lose change under the couch, here's looking at you Jorge. Both Ducati and Suzuki have a strong hand in the negotiation, Lorenzo's is weak and has increasingly got worse. Suzuki have never paid high dollar, but they hold one important ace, their bike is a shade of blue. Suzuki have a bike that in theory suits Lorenzo more than Ducati. Lorenzo should understand one important fact, regardless where he goes his paycheck will about the same with Ducati or Suzuki, that being significantly discounted; Ducati because they claim don't have any money left, Suzuki because they are the "99" cent store of GP.

Options: Ducati or Suzuki
Compensation: .... either or
Suitability: advantage Suzuki
Ego: advantage Ducati



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.



Don’t disagree with much you said, with the exception of causing crashes and the insubordination thing, and every paddock knowing that he is a disgruntled employee and stock has tumbled, and well.. okay.. you got what folks can afford and willing to pay correct.

Lot more talent options now than when Rossi tried his Duck Experiment. Now that George failed on the Duck experiment, he is going to pay for it. He is still one of the best top 4 or maybe top 8 riders out there, but he rolled the dice to get the big bucks, and he missed. Now he is going to have to live with it.

I think he is out of the Duck seat next year. That leaves with the Suz or the Apillia ...

It is a strange ....... world....


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I think Yamaha will most likely set up another satellite team with at least one rider like
LCR and if they get Jorge I’m sure he would get a full factory spec bike. Now that Zarco is out of the pic that’s the move I would go for. I dunno.......


Oh hey y’all
 
The problem with the 3rd factory Yamaha thingy is....


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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Lol Uccio cracks me up, but real talk I don’t think he has any influence on Rossi. He might be buzzing in his ear a lot but assumptions that he came up with all the conspiracy theories is a little far fetched IMHO. They are childhood buddies, Rossi is his meal ticket and that’s that.
 
Lol Uccio cracks me up, but real talk I don’t think he has any influence on Rossi. He might be buzzing in his ear a lot but assumptions that he came up with all the conspiracy theories is a little far fetched IMHO. They are childhood buddies, Rossi is his meal ticket and that’s that.
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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
I've heard rumors of a third factory Yamaha being vacated for him.

If Suzuki sign him, I think they will increase their commitment when they see that JL is a true title threat.

I find it incredible that everyone is writing this guy off. He has five world titles, and has the fifth highest tally of race wins in history and is still young.

Jorge shouldn’t be written off, and would immediately be competitive back on a Yamaha and possibly even on a Suzuki imo, but that doesn’t mean him being written off can’t happen.

See Eddie Lawson’s late career. He might have been not only better than Lorenzo, but also better than MM and Rossi, and ended up on a Cagiva with only 1 intervening season after a title win.
 
Don’t disagree with much you said, with the exception of causing crashes and the insubordination thing, and every paddock knowing that he is a disgruntled employee and stock has tumbled, and well.. okay.. you got what folks can afford and willing to pay correct.

Lot more talent options now than when Rossi tried his Duck Experiment. Now that George failed on the Duck experiment, he is going to pay for it. He is still one of the best top 4 or maybe top 8 riders out there, but he rolled the dice to get the big bucks, and he missed. Now he is going to have to live with it.

I think he is out of the Duck seat next year. That leaves with the Suz or the Apillia ...

It is a strange ....... world....


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Good to see you posting WV99. Hope all is well.

Just going by the way Ducati team boss Ciabatti expressed himself, body language seemed glum, he didn't sound endeared to Jlo. Didn’t sound like a man who was thrilled to have Jorge on board. Contrast how Lin Jarvis speaks about VR or Suppo/Puig speak of Marc. Could you imagine Jarvis/Puig asked so who you guys putting along side Pedro/Viñalez, and they say, well don't know, we're still thinking about it, but definitely Cuntslow and Morbidity/ Hafizh Syahrin are looking like viable candidates.'

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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Lol Uccio cracks me up, but real talk I don’t think he has any influence on Rossi. He might be buzzing in his ear a lot but assumptions that he came up with all the conspiracy theories is a little far fetched IMHO. They are childhood buddies, Rossi is his meal ticket and that’s that.
So it wasn’t Uccio who told MM to .... off out of Rossi’s garage post-race after the Argentina incident, earning Yamaha’s displeasure to the extent that they reportedly felt the need to rein him in ?.
 
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Haha that’s funny. I don’t know the real dynamics of their friendship but when the media asks him stuff, his opinion on things and when he tells these kind of stories that reminds me off when they ask one of Mayweather’s bodyguards or someone that hangs out at his gym if and when he’s coming back to the ring or if he’s gonna try MMA or what’s his beef with this guy or that guy. It’s all gossip and all they’re trying to do is get a little camera time and be relevant ...... at least that’s what I think. :)
 
Don’t disagree with much you said, with the exception of causing crashes and the insubordination thing, and every paddock knowing that he is a disgruntled employee and stock has tumbled, and well.. okay.. you got what folks can afford and willing to pay correct.

Lot more talent options now than when Rossi tried his Duck Experiment. Now that George failed on the Duck experiment, he is going to pay for it. He is still one of the best top 4 or maybe top 8 riders out there, but he rolled the dice to get the big bucks, and he missed. Now he is going to have to live with it.

I think he is out of the Duck seat next year. That leaves with the Suz or the Apillia ...

It is a strange ....... world....


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The parallels with Rossi’s Ducati adventure continue. As was the case with Rossi in 2012, I strongly doubt Jorge has suddenly lost his talent and am confident he is still significantly better than top 8 on a suitable bike, including being better than Rossi were he to return to the Yamaha factory team. I also doubt he has Carmelo batting for him to regain such a ride though.
 
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Haha that’s funny. I don’t know the real dynamics of their friendship but when the media asks him stuff, his opinion on things and when he tells these kind of stories that reminds me off when they ask one of Mayweather’s BODYGUARDS or someone that hangs out at his gym if and when he’s coming back to the ring or if he’s gonna try MMA or what’s his beef with this guy or that guy. It’s all gossip and all they’re trying to do is get a little camera time and be relevant ...... at least that’s what I think. :)

Did you say "bodyguard"?




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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
So it wasn’t Uccio who told MM to .... off out of Rossi’s garage post-race after the Argentina incident, earning Yamaha’s displeasure to the extent that they reportedly felt the need to rein him in ?.

Yeah, wheres the picture of Uccio scolding the world champion while Jarvis cowers in the background!?
 

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