Mugello predictions, practice, quali
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Fully agree with you 'Mr Squiggle' VRs & JBs philosophy was, and they bragged about how Stoner is not a developer like they are blah blah blah…well where is the development??? In the past when they were with Honda and Yamaha they had like you said top engineers, developers, designers technitians, mechanics etc…but Val like you say and I agree gets far too many accolades for his genius??? Ill believe it now if he can fix and start to win races on the Duk like Stoner did (straight out of the box) otherwise he will be remembered as the court jester of motogp!!! And further more what Stoner said about Val is coming to be more and more to the fore…if it aint got 'abs tc or auto pilot' then Val cant ride it and the Duk needs a man on a horse to ride it not a monkey on a stick like Val seems to be…heee
Have a look at what CS did at Mugello yesterday in qualifying, this is a perfect example, no theatrics no ........ just pure balls and riding ability to push the envelope to its limit no matter what the conditions are!!! That is why he is where he is and will succeed on whatever unit hes riding…bring on Suzuki next!!!
I dont agree with the highlighted part of your post at all...whilst it is true Rossi has on occaisions been a "clown" (which can in itself be an endearing quality in moderation and is what initially attracted him to me as a rider) he has also been one of the most clinical, ruthless and formidable motorcycle racers to ever throw a leg over a bike and he will quite rightly be adjudged one of the greatest competitors in the sports history...just not THE greatest IMHO as I think it is impossible to assign this moniker to just one rider - especially when looking at riders from different eras or whan viewing a riders success purely from a statistical point of view....who knows how many titles Kevin Schwantz would have if he rode a factory Honda for his entire career or if Doohan had started his career racing at the tender age of 15 or Rainey didnt have a career ending injury or Saarinen wasnt tragically killed or yada yada yada - you get the point....statistics dont always paint the full picture.
The move to Ducati by Valentino has so far been a failure in that he has demonstrated an inability to extract the same raw speed from the bike that Casey Stoner was able to on a regular basis....but it has moreso been a damning indictment in terms of the state of Ducatis performance. Rather than highlight Valentinos failures I prefer to think it showcases Stoners amazing talent and puts into perspective just how damn good he really was on that pig of a bike. What fools Ducati were to allow him to flounder due to their own inadequacies and slip from their grasp. 20/20 hindsight has shown this to be a monumental error of judgement from Ducati as were VR and JB's unjustified barbs towards Stoners ability and the ease at which they would solve Ducatis woes upon their arrival.
right, the same nut who's lap record from 3 years ago was only just pipped by a tenth yesterday
It would be good to see them find something in the warm up, I'm
not holding my breath though. The bike doesn't turn, it would seem fairly obvious that the chassis is the issue, backed up by
what Rossi said when speaking of the changes being
predominantely aimed at fixing the rear end issues, other than
this he said the bike was the same.
It is a little disturbing seeing what seems to be an increase in support for rossi by the fans present this week, if that's possible
at mugello, to overwhelming levels from the shots I've seen........
for the guy who'll be lucky to make the top eight, barring any miracles, and given the weather seem to be in short supply for the red pit.
at least it seems, bridgestone has been told to smarten up their act, which is producing results and finally some development.
The organiser has received permission for me to film from the man himself which did surprise me
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right, the same nut who's lap record from 3 years ago was only just pipped by a tenth yesterday
That time as you know was set on ultra sticky qualifiers designed for one or 2 hot laps - not a hard compound race tyre that had already done ten laps....you love to embellish your posts with cherry picked statistics....its one of your favoured tactics
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Today is the day that Spies overtakes Pedro in the standings, he is getting there.
A wall is the next logical step
Pedro apparently said to Simoncelli "all you have in your head is that hair".
Stoner had a good laugh, the media heard it as "air"
Pedro is pissed, he just needs to beat Sicboy though
Hey Sarto just don't tell basspete as he's in Perth too
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Have either of you seen the new Tim Winton play? I'm going next Saturday, and looking forward to it.
I haven't been to the theatre since I saw the Gilbert and Sullivan Society present their production of HMS Pinafore last year.
right, the same nut who's lap record from 3 years ago was only just pipped by a tenth yesterday
It would be good to see them find something in the warm up, I'm
not holding my breath though. The bike doesn't turn, it would seem fairly obvious that the chassis is the issue, backed up by
what Rossi said when speaking of the changes being
predominantely aimed at fixing the rear end issues, other than
this he said the bike was the same.
It is a little disturbing seeing what seems to be an increase in support for rossi by the fans present this week, if that's possible
at mugello, to overwhelming levels from the shots I've seen........
for the guy who'll be lucky to make the top eight, barring any miracles, and given the weather seem to be in short supply for the red pit.
at least it seems, bridgestone has been told to smarten up their act, which is producing results and finally some development.
That record was set on qualifiers .
There's no question of his talent, but its quite obvious he hasn't gelled with the Ducati after spending almost his entire career on let's say normal alloy beam frame machinery.You would have to say the chassis is the weak point on the GP11-11.1. Yes i'm a rossi fan but i don't wear yellow classes and the excuses and blaming Ducati's former rider for lack of development is absolutely ridiculous. This year seems to be a huge test,lets see if 2012 will change his fortune.
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Wow....... Spies is really gaining confidence and momentum now. That spells trouble for WhoreHey Lorentho, I bet he's scared shitless as we speak.
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Judging from yesterday, he doesn't need anything.
Rossi claimed Honda's gearbox was good for a half-second a lap. This was at Qatar. Not sure if he made any further statements regarding that particular gearbox, but that was his estimation. Since Ducati have implemented their seamless gearbox, Rossi has said it's worth two-tenths a lap. As Arrab pointed out earlier, the purpose of Honda's gearbox is not to go faster, per se, but to conserve fuel. As a side effect of that gearbox, Honda have traded off stability in corner entry. I'd imagine it's the same story at Ducati.
right, the same nut who's lap record from 3 years ago was only just pipped by a tenth yesterday
As you've already been lampooned, qualifiers.
after he received the gearbox at assen, in a tv interview after the first day (where he finished what 4th or so in the wet and the cancelled QP2) rossi claimed a 0.5second gain due to the gearbox... everyone was jumping up and down and saying hes back thanks to the new gearbox and the stoner/honda's advantage is now gone.... ever since QP1 at assen everythings gone quiet again and no mention of the gearbox..
oh and JB has already hinted the Yamaha already had the seamless gearbox from last year anyways and as u said made marginal gains.... i just laugh how people try to make out if rossi isnt going well it must be the bike, and if other riders are doing well then it must be because they have the best bike.
as far as i can see, he hasnt pushed the limits of the bike yet, look at how hayden and karel ride the .... out of it.... try riding it like that then if you still slow then have a cry about the bike.
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Hey Rog why don't you post up a vid of you looking like a fat school bully
On a side note Rog I have to say you and I do seem have a lot in common. We both drive wrx's, are anti-isreal, climate change sceptics, and both of us are ...... I'm videoing Lord Monckton tomorrow night here in Perth and can post the vid to youtube if you're interested?
I would have had your dinner money off you every ....... day !
What WRX have you got ??
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Dude.... you gotta be smarter then that. Rossi is just using every excuse in the book right now not to tarnish his reputation. For sure he is a talented rider, but remember.......... a ...... machine in ...... conditions always plays out right for some reason. It's like the bike is soo bad that it actually suits itself in horrible conditions such as rain. Just ask Chris Vermuelen or Anthony West or Olivier Jacque or........... I'm sure there's more instances.
But the key question is, why can't Vale do what Stoner did............. wet or dry in the Ducati.
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Fully agree with you 'Mr Squiggle' VR’s & JB’s philosophy was, and they bragged about how Stoner is not a developer like they are blah blah blah…well where is the development??? In the past when they were with Honda and Yamaha they had like you said top engineers, developers, designers technitians, mechanics etc…but Val like you say and I agree gets far too many accolades for his genius??? I’ll believe it now if he can fix and start to win races on the Duk like Stoner did (straight out of the box) otherwise he will be remembered as the court jester of motogp!!! And further more what Stoner said about Val is coming to be more and more to the fore…if it aint got 'abs tc or auto pilot' then Val can’t ride it and the Duk needs a man on a horse to ride it not a monkey on a stick like Val seems to be…heee
Have a look at what CS did at Mugello yesterday in qualifying, this is a perfect example, no theatrics no ........ just pure balls and riding ability to push the envelope to its limit no matter what the conditions are!!! That is why he is where he is and will succeed on whatever unit he’s riding…bring on Suzuki next!!!
Oh my god..............................spot the spanner who has been following bike racing since May this year.
Steady on there broom besom that is about as much as you know b__assplate judging by your posts here not many notes or significance come out of your bass, I've been following bike racing longer than you’ve been alive mate… and when was the last Scotchman to win a gp? Well there was Rob McElnea but the best he ever got was 4th
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Steady on there broom besom that is about as much as you know b__assplate judging by your posts here not many notes or significance come out of your bass, I've been following bike racing longer than you’ve been alive mate… and when was the last Scotchman to win a gp? Well there was Rob McElnea but the best he ever got was 4th
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No I'm not happy with the state of affairs - I have consistently maintained that I would like to see Vale competitive again. I do think however that this situation is quite revealing given that this is the first time in his career that Valentino has not benefitted from an appreciable comparative advantage and now finds himself handicapped. The switch to Ducati was ultimately fuelled by ego. The tiresome character assassination of CS has been an international sport amongst Rossi devotees since 2007. When was the last time you went to a race? If you experienced that vitriol firsthand at a race weekend - particularly in the UK, I think even you would alter your perspective somewhat.
Contrary to your belief I am not on a mission to denigrate Rossi fans, it is simply my observation that many are not genuine race fans. No I don't particularly like Valentino as an individual, and in a paddock in which most riders churn out homogenised platitudes regurgitated from the P/R department CS is a breath of fresh air in that he says what he means and means what he says irrespective of who he upsets. I have always found the Valentino P/R machine fake and as insincere as the man himself. Fogarty was ten times as undiplomatic and obnoxious as Casey, yet everyone adored him. I find it ironic that whatever the man does he is and will always be the rider the fans love to despise - yet any criticism of Vale we are immediately branded as haters. We witnessed at Jerez how Rossi-centric this sport has become and very simply I'm as tired of Rossi's disingenuity as you are with Casey's perceived brat like conduct.
The only satisfaction that I'm getting from this state of affairs is that the pricks that lampooned Casey for his frequent front end crashes on the Ducati have now been silenced - far from intimidated by members posts such as mine as you suggest.
If you like I'll dredge up the posts from the members who earlier this year attributed CS's immediate speed on the Honda purely to the advent of seamless transmission. Are you really suggesting that their absence now is due to the vehement reaction from members such as myself Keshav and Jum?
I have maintained all season that the bike would be sorted by Mugello - and following that watershed Valentino would be winning races again. I am sorry to say that I was mistaken. As a lover of this sport, I would dearly love to see Vale win his home race today on an Italian bike, but it would have to be through some obscure quirk of fate/happenstance as opposed to outright racing. Talpa, believe me when I say I would genuinely love to be proved wrong in respect of the latter.
