- Joined
- Mar 3, 2016
- Messages
- 1,523
- Location
- FNQ
Help Support MotoGP Forum:
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2016
- Messages
- 894
- Location
- Queensland Australia
Rins is said to be fine but sore back and hospital checkup to be sure.
Discussions going on because the air fence used at T12 during the race has been removed for the tests. Teams not happy with the double standards in safety.
Riders are all discussing and some believe many of the crashes happening today are due to the lack of winglets adversely effecting the tyres which had been developed during the season whilst winglets where in use loading the tyres differently.
Caparossi has said the crashes happened due to rubber over the white lines at T12 but many of the riders are disagreeing because they had been riding over the same white lines all weekend without issue.
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2008
- Messages
- 5,926
- Location
- In Cider
Watching the morning test feed. Dylan Gray had apparently managed to speak with some Ducati's team members and they gave some clues as to Lorenzo's first impressions of the bike:
- Power delivery much smoother than he expected
- LOVES the engine braking on the bike
- Is very happy with the front end feel
Suzuki must be running out of parts? That's 4 bikes wrecked in 2 days!
- Power delivery much smoother than he expected
- LOVES the engine braking on the bike
- Is very happy with the front end feel
Suzuki must be running out of parts? That's 4 bikes wrecked in 2 days!
- Joined
- Apr 6, 2015
- Messages
- 6,290
- Location
- NJ
- Joined
- Aug 22, 2016
- Messages
- 113
- Location
- Ljubljana
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
This is probably how it's going to be.
I have a question...well sort of.
Was it really Rossi who built a wall between himself and Lorenzo or was it the other way around?
I know it has been 8 months since Jorge Lorenzo Guerrero came out but for some reason I saw it 2 days ago. So I apologize if this has been adressed before.
Lorenzo claims he changed his QP tactics mid 2015 so Rossi wouldn't follow him around. His team saw how Rossi always goes out just after him, so they decided to trick him. Lorenzo walked to his bike, his team took of the covers (meanwhile Rossi got up), Lorenzo just turned and walked back in. Rossi's side was not amused.
After that JL's team found out Rossi started every race with the same settings JL's team had in QP. At the time it was tought to be the crew chief Forcada. I guess that's not true, he was still with him last year.
Also interview with Pedrosa was shown saying it is impossible to find 0.7s just like that.
I'm surprised nothing has come out about this.
So, if this continues to go on now with a talent like Maverick.....Rossi could well get more than half a second during the night. If Maverick continues like that ''decimo'' is less than a year away.
- Joined
- Apr 6, 2015
- Messages
- 6,290
- Location
- NJ
Well that finally answers my question about where Rossi is magically finding the time when he is sitting outside of the top 5. You don't magically find that sort of time, but copying Lorenzo's settings would make that possible...and in turn it makes you wonder how good of a setup man Rossi really is...kind of like his mythological development skills.
I remember watching the doco a while ago and it really does give a sneak peak into how the riders perceive some favouritism. Of course none more so than Marquez comment about Lorenzos favoured tyre being taken away at Assen. Obviously there was the copying settings etc as well but Lorenzo also did gain some time by watching Rossi pick up the bike out of corners.
Would love to see a documentary on this season though. Would be great to see.
Would love to see a documentary on this season though. Would be great to see.
- Joined
- Feb 26, 2007
- Messages
- 10,518
- Location
- Tennessee
Maverick has fired a shot across the bow and rumors are there is already tension brewing according to Herve Poncharal. Can't find the quote, but he supposedly said something to that affect in an interview. No one knows why, but there was a sheet up to seperate the Yamaha paddock
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2015
- Messages
- 1,793
- Location
- A caravan on an island
If there was much truth in it it would be the subject of endless inquests by media, as it was in a documentary and therefore available to and probably watched by a thousand hacks , are you not surprised by the lack of such? There isn't even a thread on here!
Arrabbiata1
Blue Smoker
- Joined
- Apr 29, 2008
- Messages
- 6,925
- Location
- Out of Nowhere
There may be some minimal data that can be gleaned but Lorenzo sets his bike up in a highly unorthodox way and is diametrically the opposite to Rossi's preferences. Jorge's settings would be next to useless but like I say, I'm sure that they could divine/infer some limited but useful information from his telemetry. This is every bit as ludicrous as Alberto Puig's allegation that Nicky was stealing Dani's settings. Moreover, Lorenzo's braking, lines and even gearing bears no relation to the way Rossi races a bike. The two M1s may as well have been different motorcycles and were even developed slightly differently.
- Joined
- Aug 22, 2016
- Messages
- 113
- Location
- Ljubljana
I just wrote what I heard.
There had to be something to that though. Vr and JL were not friends but they didn't hate each other. Whatever happened had to be big and it went on before Sepang.
And just finding 0.7s without even taking the bike out....that priest in Tavullia must be well connected.
We will never know what went on there. It has been more than a year, they no longer share colors.
We will see how he does with Maverick. I don't know...he is no MM nor JL, he looks more like he could be Rossi's b***h. Like a scared child. I sure hope I'm wrong.
Last edited:
The pro Rossi media didn't jump onto something said during a documentary about an unpopular Lorenzo. They also didn't jump on Marquez's comments after Lorenzos proffered tyre was taken away when he said they all know the real reason why it was but they're not allowed to say. In most other sports that would be a bombshell but the MotoGPs media doesn't have the balls to go after a comment like that.
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2016
- Messages
- 801
- Location
- Uk
We've had many discussions about the film, I was the one who initially brought it up matey and you were the one who found it on YouTube.
The only reason it wasn't jumped on by the press is because it paints Dorna and Rossi in a bad light. Most press won't go near it because they value their future access to the riders and circuits.
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2015
- Messages
- 1,793
- Location
- A caravan on an island
The real reason is because it's an unfounded remark that would make a journalist look foolish if they put it in print.
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2015
- Messages
- 1,793
- Location
- A caravan on an island
The truth of the matter! And the reason why this is not a story worth investigating.
I think Rossi is a prick, but this doesn't make absolutely any fantasy about him true.
The "wall" was originally mandated by the tyre companies because Lorenzo and Rossi were running tyres of different manufacture when there was still a tyre war. Various unsubstantiated reports were that Rossi liked things that way, the Nastro Azzurro Honda setup being his ideal, and wished to continue it anyway when the control tyre came in.
Rossi had some little success before 2009, when Jorge and team first started to demonstrate that they could achieve a set-up to match the acknowledged masters on the odd week-end. Since he and Rossi, as above, have very different styles, extending to quite different tyre preferences, I doubt either stole the other's settings, and it is vaguely possible with 14 world titles and 150 odd premier class race wins between them both of them are reasonably adroit at GP bike racing including evolving good settings for their bikes on a given weekend.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Aug 22, 2016
- Messages
- 113
- Location
- Ljubljana
Similar threads
