Motogp: 2016 Round 4 Gran Premio Red Bull de España

MotoGP Forum

Help Support MotoGP Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
pyeman said:
I think it's pretty tongue in cheek really,if you were a rider you'd get pretty pissed off with guys that can only get a fast lap by waiting around for you to get a tow wouldn't you?, especially if they made a habit of it like some guys do.
Click to expand...

i don't think it's tongue in cheek. it's bullying a lesser rider. maybe we should just have 6 line up on the grid.
i remember mm happily giving tows to get slower riders between himself and the yamaha m1s actually.
 
steeeeeve said:
but if someone says something unflattering toward any other rider, where does your mind directly go? Attack VR.
Click to expand...

I don't always attack VR (I try to save my many of my attacks for DORNA) and would suggest that a review of posts would show that, and (it does pain to say it) at times I will and have defended him (I for example did not call for a black flag etc but did call for other punishment)

Personally, I will defend all riders when and where I feel it is necessary and likewise I will criticise as I deem necessary
 
Last edited:
steeeeeve said:
i don't think it's tongue in cheek. it's bullying a lesser rider. maybe we should just have 6 line up on the grid.
i remember mm happily giving tows to get slower riders between himself and the yamaha m1s actually.
Click to expand...

Nobody forces them to wait around and get a tow,i get pissed off just watching it,i can only imagine how Lorenzo feels when he sees Barbera waiting for him for the umpteenth time,or how riders feel when they get outqualified by riders they've dragged around,anyway,i respect your opinion but i know where my sympathies lie.
 
steeeeeve said:
i don't think it's tongue in cheek. it's bullying a lesser rider. maybe we should just have 6 line up on the grid.
i remember mm happily giving tows to get slower riders between himself and the yamaha m1s actually.
Click to expand...

You may well be right but is it anymore bullying that the constant verbal barrages we read in the media from Rossi (inclusive of direct quotations) relating to his perceptions of the morals of others riders?

Is it any more bullying that Stoner's 'pat DePuniet on the back' efforts?

IMO only, but I have no issue with riders seeking tows from others, and I likewise have no issues with riders complaining about those seeking the tows.

Complaints have been around for years with ALL riders at some point complaining, some publically in print, some at press conferences, some face to face, some by tapping the tail piece of their bikes and so on.
 
pyeman said:
Nobody forces them to wait around and get a tow,i get pissed off just watching it,i can only imagine how Lorenzo feels when he sees Barbera waiting for him for the umpteenth time,or how riders feel when they get outqualified by riders they've dragged around,anyway,i respect your opinion but i know where my sympathies lie.
Click to expand...

i get it.
 
Does Adriana have Stoners balls? As in is she the one wearing the trousers? Serious question.

steeeeeve said:
Why do you have the word tricycle in quotes? It's a symbol of a tricycle.
It's a dirtbag passive aggressive way of demeaning other riders. I've seen it come out when riders weren't even that close.
But please forgive me. I forgot this is exclusively a Rossi bashing site.
And you've completely missed my point anyway and obviously you never will and that's okay.
Click to expand...

steeeeeve said:
i don't think it's tongue in cheek. it's bullying a lesser rider. maybe we should just have 6 line up on the grid.
i remember mm happily giving tows to get slower riders between himself and the yamaha m1s actually.
Click to expand...

Why is it when you slag off another rider, thats fine, but if we then counter with ANYTHING against Rossi, it is a Rossi hate forum? Hanging out a signal to inform a rider that others are getting an advantage is demeaning you say? It is a signal, no different from pit boards saying gaps to other riders or "MARQUEZ OUT"..it's purely a means to transmit information.

However, if you want me to accept that it is demeaning, then I will.If you answer the following question with a simple YES answer:

Is riding around with a blow up doll on the back of your bike that resembles a likeness to your rivals girlfriend as part of a piss take and with the sole intention of aggravating said rival a "dirtbag passive aggressive way of demeaning other riders" or not?

YES or NO. That's all you need to say.
 
steeeeeve said:
Why do you have the word tricycle in quotes? It's a symbol of a tricycle.
It's a dirtbag passive aggressive way of demeaning other riders. I've seen it come out when riders weren't even that close.
But please forgive me. I forgot this is exclusively a Rossi bashing site.
And you've completely missed my point anyway and obviously you never will and that's okay.
Click to expand...

I said "tricycle" because it is a sign with a tricycle on it, not an actual tricycle; perhaps I should have said tricycle sign.

I perhaps did not quite get your point, which is presumably that other riders have humiliated competitors. I guess there is an element of that, but giving a tow is not something that Jorge is obliged to do, in fact was being sanctioned with penalty points in moto 3, and I would imagine is at least technically illegal in the premier class. Even apart from Jorge objecting to it merely because it annoys him, which he is entitled to do I would have thought, it may actually interfere with his riding style, given the metronomic way in which he rides.

What I don't agree with is any moral equivalence argument in regard to this practice, particularly if it is true as has been posted that it is a way of signalling to a rider or driver about a competitor with reasonably wide currency in motor sport circles. If you do find it to be morally equivalent, that is your opinion to which you are entitled.
 
Last edited:
I have previously made the point that Galbusera and Rossi are immediately on it from the moment they arrive at the circuit. Last weekend they had the hammer down right from the first session - nothing left to chance to avoid a repeat of last seasons debacle.

So in order to demonstrate this I decided to compile the following chart derived from empirical data collated from a time and motion study within each garage for the period mid season through to winter testing. Each team is colour coded accordingly for ease of interpretation and in the interest of clarity. The yellow pertains to Rossi.

The data clearly demonstrates whatever I want it to and due to the ....... farrago figures and lines, and the miniscule size you have absolutely no idea what it represents and quite frankly neither do I. But that does mean that I can selectively shoehorn it into any dubious hypothesis framed around the conclusions that I have already drawn from last season and match it to my own subjective confirmation bias.

image10.jpg
 
Gaz said:
No offence J4 but the water would have been what, 150 - 180 (what do these things run at?) or so and the tyre would have been around 110 - I am just not sure I buy that all the damage was done by the water pump (would it have a concentrated nozzle type of high pressure as that may have caused some of the damage given the heats) ?

The water would have had to be concentrated in that exact spot for the tyre to suffer the damage that the pictures how

Not challenging that he had a water pump issue, but the damage seems to my untrained (emphasis on untrained) eyes to be something else (may have been affected by however) as the line is indicative of a rubber curing type issue that we have seen throughout the last 2 years of Stones and to a slight degree, this year
Click to expand...

It wasn't just hot water on rubber -- it was hot water on rubber that was already spinning like mad against the tarmac in nomral conditons. I don't know what hot water can do in that situation of extreme attrition -- but Dovi said that suddenly there was no grip whatsoever, the tire was spinning 100%. Either the water leak was an incredible coincidence, or it was the cause of that sudden tire failure.
 
pyeman said:
Nobody forces them to wait around and get a tow,i get pissed off just watching it,i can only imagine how Lorenzo feels when he sees Barbera waiting for him for the umpteenth time,or how riders feel when they get outqualified by riders they've dragged around,anyway,i respect your opinion but i know where my sympathies lie.
Click to expand...

Let us not forget that sometimes the tow is "offered" in QP, when a top rider who is confident to make the pole wants to put as many bikes as possible between him and his direct rivals. Then they may even pretend to get angry... ;)
 

Similar threads

JPSLotus
2024 MotoGP Round 11: Motorrad Grand Prix von Österreich - Red Bull Ring
8 9 10
Replies
192
Views
5K
Bern1
B
J
2025 MotoGP Schedule
Replies
4
Views
654
PRS717
P
JPSLotus
2024 Round 13: Gran Premio Red Bull di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini San Marino - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli
21 22 23
Replies
458
Views
9K
320Dave
3
Keshav
Proposed 2021 Calendar
Replies
4
Views
3K
JPSLotus
JPSLotus
#22
Red Bull Ring unveils new chicane for MotoGP layout
Replies
6
Views
2K
Bern1
B

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions

Back
Top