Motogp: 2016 Round 4 Gran Premio Red Bull de España

michaelm · Apr 24, 2016

moto vudu said:
True, but at times Rossi & MM will simply state they didn't have the pace to win and leave it at that. I cannot recall a time that Lorenzo ever didn't give some sort of excuse. I understand that's how he attempts to keep his confidence up.

I seem to recall rather massive and prolonged excuse making by Rossi last year, and no excuses from JL in 2013 when he fractured his clavicle twice.

michaelm · Apr 24, 2016

CharlieParker said:
All kinds of conspiracies and resentment towards selected riders are inevitable and fun. I believe it's even more fun, though, when they don't completely and irrationally compromise all chances to be even remotely objective and admit flaws and pros of everyone, whether it's Lorenzo's oustanding precision in all corners, Rossi's remarkable adaptability to different tracks, conditions and eras or MM's unmatched ability to put his bike wherever he wants whenever he wants in the bravest looking style.

Personally, no matter how much he'll win from now on, and by no means regretting to admit I'm a Rossi "fan" and some kind of Marquez "hater" (yes, after last season, yes, I'm biased), I also have no problem admitting to find Marc Marquez overall (overall = including Vale's prime in the first 2000's) a more talented rider than Vale, and his style some sort of devilishly crazy never-seen-before revolutionary unique gift.

About last year: several different things have (or have not) happened from Philip Island on. But I SINSIRLY p) think that no rational person can tell for sure (perhaps not even the three most directly involved) what happened in each moment of each race except someone who wants very much to believe to know everything.

I understand objection to conspiracy theories being applied to Rossi's whole career, and I actually made a post myself to the effect that there were simple explanations for the way this race transpired which required no invocation of conspiracy.

This close to the massive conspiracy theory raised by Rossi in regard to last season, I think it is a little rich for anyone who subscribes to that theory to complain about pretty much any conspiracy theory in regard to what has eventuated with Rossi since then. If you are not in the category of those who consider the late season 2015 conspiracy theory to be fact, my apologies.

Cool Blue · Apr 24, 2016

moto vudu said:
True, but at times Rossi & MM will simply state they didn't have the pace to win and leave it at that. I cannot recall a time that Lorenzo ever didn't give some sort of excuse. I understand that's how he attempts to keep his confidence up.

What's the difference between an excuse and a reason? Would it be ok if they just scratched their heads and said um, yeh... dun know...?

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Gaz · Apr 24, 2016

Cool Blue said:
What's the difference between an excuse and a reason? Would it be ok if they just scratched their heads and said um, yeh... dun know...?

Exactly my point earlier, and I would answer by saying that for many, it is who says it and how it is said, not what was said.

We have seen it before and it just seems that we are now seeing a recurrence

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 24, 2016

Daniboy said:
What an amazing achievement by Binder last to first and a great last corner from Bulega , fantastic stuff!!!

What an amazing blunder spoiling a moto3 race in the motogp thread

Gaz · Apr 24, 2016

I am aware that MV has said a water pump but this is said to be a pic of Dovi's rear tyre today which if so, may give another reason to stop

https://scontent-ord1-1.cdninstagra...g?ig_cache_key=MTIzNTYzNzc1MjUzNjUzOTE4Mg==.2

MotoGP News - MotoGP Spain: Dovizioso sunk by water pump

Yep, he says the water pump but that 10 lap old tyre looks interesting

TheJuice46 · Apr 24, 2016

Cool Blue said:
What's the difference between an excuse and a reason? Would it be ok if they just scratched their heads and said um, yeh... dun know...?

Saying that you would have for sure won the race if you didn't have the same problem that every other rider on the grid had is an excuse. Saying you could've ridden better if the tires weren't spinning out is a reason, seeing as probably every rider could've raced better without the tire issues. The way Jorge explained his problem belittled all the other riders and completely shifted the blame off of himself 100%. He definitely has a problem losing with grace

michaelm · Apr 24, 2016

TheJuice46 said:
Saying that you would have for sure won the race if you didn't have the same problem that every other rider on the grid had is an excuse. Saying you could've ridden better if the tires weren't spinning out is a reason, seeing as probably every rider could've raced better without the tire issues. The way Jorge explained his problem belittled all the other riders and completely shifted the blame off of himself 100%. He definitely has a problem losing with grace

Splinters and logs.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 24, 2016

povol said:
Vinales has no excuse getting beat by his teammate in a straight up race if he is supposed to be the next big thing. Like i said last week, im not convinced the Ducati is what Lorenzo thinks it is. i have not even bothered to look, but what is Reddings excuse this week.Getting smoked by Albino Rabbit, he better have a good one. Again, congrats to Vale.

Let barrow jumkies tin foil hat and try a conspiracy out. So what if Mav already excepted a ride for yamaha and he got the bike switch we keep joking Roosi and Jorge have? Simply saying Suzuki is putting their effort into Espargaro instead. Mav and Val seem really chummy on track.

Gaz · Apr 24, 2016

TheJuice46 said:
Saying that you would have for sure won the race if you didn't have the same problem that every other rider on the grid had is an excuse.

Not if at the time he was asked he was unaware that other riders experienced the same issue - as at that time it would be his genuine belief that the issue that afflicted him cost him the race.

Sure, if he waited and asked every rider if they had issues he may change the tune a little, but I suspect that he did not have the time to conduct the aforementioned customer satisfaction survey for Michelin.

yamfan · Apr 24, 2016

moto vudu said:
Lorenzo ALWAYS has an excuse. His confidence level is fragile so he must pamper it.

If Rossi catches (or passes) Marc in points, I wonder if Marc will continue his more mature approach (accepting podiums) or will the pressure see him revert back to WIN it or BIN it style.

Yeah his excuse at Argentina was he wasn't patient enough and made a mistake.
Breathe deep and suppress the bopperish digs....[emoji1][emoji1]

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 24, 2016

MigsAngel said:
Happy for B.Binders win....well deserved and a long time in coming....

And I just became a Bulega fan...great ride for the rookie...

Youve always been irrevelant and now your worthless. You followed up Daniboys spoiler with your own spoiler. Daniboy is forgivable because he didnt know better. Youve been here way too long to know this would be an issue. You could have asked DB to take down or edit his post but you ran with it.
Stick with worthless predictions Captain irrelevant

yamfan · Apr 24, 2016

moto vudu said:
True, but at times Rossi & MM will simply state they didn't have the pace to win and leave it at that. I cannot recall a time that Lorenzo ever didn't give some sort of excuse. I understand that's how he attempts to keep his confidence up.

Just lately Valentino has had an "or else I would have been able to fight for the win" at every race.
Doha - Wrong tyre
Argentina - Second bike wrong
Austin - burnt clutch

I give him kudos for this trace though, he was superb...

Gaz · Apr 24, 2016

yamfan said:
Just lately Valentino has had an "or else I would have been able to fight for the win" at every race.
Doha - Wrong tyre
Argentina - Second bike wrong
Austin - burnt clutch

I give him kudos for this trace though, he was superb...

But they are reasons, not excuses

Gaz · Apr 24, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Let barrow jumkies tin foil hat and try a conspiracy out. So what if Mav already excepted a ride for yamaha and he got the bike switch we keep joking Roosi and Jorge have? Simply saying Suzuki is putting their effort into Espargaro instead. Mav and Val seem really chummy on track.

Maybe, just maybe Asparagus got an SNS fairing with slipperier coevicient paint that provides improved aero?

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 24, 2016

yamfan said:
Just lately Valentino has had an "or else I would have been able to fight for the win" at every race.
Doha - Wrong tyre
Argentina - Second bike wrong
Austin - burnt clutch

I give him kudos for this trace though, he was superb...

Can we get a list of all the excuse he has used. Faulty helmet, broken condom, bad hair day, ect.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 24, 2016

Gaz said:
Maybe, just maybe Asparagus got an SNS fairing with slipperier coevicient paint that provides improved aero?

I heard he had his tear ducts removed taking 40 pounds of weight off.

Barbedwirebikerr · Apr 24, 2016

michaelm said:
I seem to recall rather massive and prolonged excuse making by Rossi last year, and no excuses from JL in 2013 when he fractured his clavicle twice.

Let alone his Ducati excursion. More excuses than a class of truents.

pyeman · Apr 24, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
FOUR - NIL...EIGHT POINT GAP ON THE .... GOBBLERS!!!!

- So sorry, wrong thread.

I thought you must be a Leicester fan when you mentioned travelling the M69 daily,and i didn't know the score so thanks for the spoiler!

pyeman · Apr 24, 2016

Gaz said:
Redding hits out after fearing repeat of Argentina tyre failure

Scott Redding admits he was worried for his safety due to the tyre degradation his bike suffered in the Spanish Grand Prix – and has called on Michelin to fix the issue.

The Pramac Ducati rider had a miserable time in the Jerez race, finishing last in 19th place, 12 seconds off the bike ahead.

Having run the early race in the 1m42s bracket, he eventually had to drop down into the 1m44s. Redding says the lowered pace was intentional, so as to avoid the kind of tyre failure that he suffered in Argentina.

"The tyre was falling apart – and I probably shouldn't say it, but that's the truth," Redding told media after the race. "It just cost me another race.

"The problem was I felt something wasn't right, and I didn't want to keep pushing and the same happened what happened in Argentina.

"When it's happened to you once and you have the feeling it could happen again, it tells you something's not right."

In Argentina, Redding's tyre came apart violently during FP4, the debris hitting the Briton in the back and leaving him bruised – and the Pramac rider was keen to not face a repeat of that in Jerez.

He continued: "We just checked the tyre and it had started to delaminate, chunks have come out.

"We need to fix something or they need to fix something for the moment. It just didn't work from the word go and it just got worse and worse.

"I couldn't stop, I hit into [Loris] Baz down the back straight, I just couldn't stop the bike. It was a s**t race."

Explaining why he didn't retire the bike, Redding said: "If you pull in and something's not right, Ducati come to you and say 'why should we give you the opportunity?'.

"I learned that in the past – even if it's not going right, you still have to keep trying till the end."

Michelin standstill

Redding, however, does not seem certain that a resolution to his woes is on the horizon and says Michelin believe his above-average size to be the root of the problem.

"We've got a meeting at six [o'clock] with them," he said.

"Their excuse last week was that I was too heavy, I was too big. Why are they gonna change the tyre for one rider, you know?

"Obviously safety comes into it, all Ducatis have struggled this week with it – I don't really know where or what they're gonna do."

The Briton also admitted this issue could hurt his chances of landing a future factory ride.

"They're blaming me, we're saying it's the tyre – so in the end, why would big manufacturers want to take someone who can't use the tyre?" he asked.

"And it's not that we can't use it, it's just not working for us – they made a big change and it's affected us the most, to be honest.

"And like I said, Ducati are struggling but the other guys managed to find a bit somewhere."

You have to feel for someone like Redding,it looks like Michelin have real issues,it would really make you think twice when you've had one of their tyres pop on you.

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