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markbdaniels said:
But every thread is a Rossi bashing thread? So where are we allowed to talk about binder?

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The two things are not related, unless you're saying you wish to get revenge on everyone who dislikes Rossi by posting spoilers in inappropriate threads. If that's your mission, carry on.
 
Nobody posts in Moto 3 threads in reality so maybe spoiler tags would be better in the main thread.
 
markbdaniels said:
But every thread is a Rossi bashing thread? So where are we allowed to talk about binder?

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Moto2 or 3 I'd have said.
Why are you worried about the Rossi bashing, its all down to personal preference who you follow. I like Rossi having met and talked to him, but others hate his guts, so what!
I don't like the spanish riders all a bunch of stupid ....'s, thats my preference, but who is right and who is wrong?
 
Theo said:
Moto2 or 3 I'd have said.
Why are you worried about the Rossi bashing, its all down to personal preference who you follow. I like Rossi having met and talked to him, but others hate his guts, so what!
I don't like the spanish riders all a bunch of stupid ....'s, thats my preference, but who is right and who is wrong?
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Yeah man, I totally agree. Just tired of every thread in this forum turning into a Rossi bashing thread. When the thread is labeled something like “KTM 2017" and 99% of the posts are about Rossi..

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Daniboy said:
Nobody posts in Moto 3 threads in reality so maybe spoiler tags would be better in the main thread.
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Whether people post there or not is irrelevant. People who are reading through the MGP thread don't want to be told results of a race they haven't watched. It's common courtesy. All the regulars on PS adhere to this rule; have done so for years. I would have had to get up in the middle of the night to watch Moto 3 - so I was waiting till later to watch it. Some people here live in different time zones - hence a simple consideration to those members we don't cross post. Is that really too much to ask?
 
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Boring race, in which the deciding factors were high temperatures and tire spinning.

If you want to see a great race with exciting passes, head straight to Moto3. :)

Rossi won because he worked well with his team during FP, lapping a lot with used tires and optimizing the engine map to be used in the second half of the race.

That kind of work is now necessary because the current ECUs lack the refined self-adaptive algorithms that used to take care of tire wear and grip in an automatic way, as the race progressed: now riders have to manually switch to different engine maps during the race, to adjust to track conditions and tire wear.

All riders (including Rossi) said their tires began spinning a lot even on the straight in the second half of the race, so much that they had to open the throttle less to avoid cooking their rear tires.

Lorenzo, rather surprisingly, seemed to think that he was the only one suffering from that problem; in his post-race interview he said that, without it, he would have surely won by a good margin. :)

Jorge is like that sometimes. But he will probably make up for this disappointment soon enough in the next race at Le Mans, where he'll be the favorite. Anyway, even if today he looked despondent like one who had just scored 0 points, actually he was a good second. Not too bad given the problems.

Behind the two Yamahas, again we saw a very sensible Marquez wisely settling for third, and a diligent Pedrosa arriving 4th. The Suzukis also managed well enough. Iannone was 7th and first Ducati.

On the podium Rossi looked of course overjoyed, Lorenzo visibly upset, and Marquez reasonably happy. The atmosphere was funny -- Valentino and the two Spaniards were really looking like aliens (although only to each other). Soooo careful not to spray the wrong one(s) with champagne!

Marquez is still first in the championship by a good margin and still looks like the best candidate for the title to me, in spite of the problems Honda still has. His new more mature approach is paying off.

In other developments a very unlucky Dovi collected his third DNF in a row, with no fault of his. This time it was because of a technical problem (a water pump failure). But it is difficult to say if it is more the Ducatis having problems, or their riders getting depressed. Some say there's even the possibility that both of them will leave at the end of the season... They surely look worried.
 
J4rn0 said:
Boring race, in which the deciding factors were high temperatures and tire spinning.

If you want to see a great race with exciting passes, head straight to Moto3. :)

Rossi won because he worked well with his team during FP, lapping a lot with used tires and optimizing the engine map to be used in the second half of the race.

That kind of work is now necessary because the current ECUs lack the refined self-adaptive algorithms that used to take care of tire wear and grip in an automatic way, as the race progressed: now riders have to manually switch to different engine maps during the race, to adjust to track conditions and tire wear.

All riders (including Rossi) said their tires began spinning a lot even on the straight in the second half of the race, so much that they had to open the throttle less to avoid cooking their rear tires.

Lorenzo, rather surprisingly, seemed to think that he was the only one suffering from that problem; in his post-race interview he said that, without it, he would have surely won by a good margin. :)

Jorge is like that sometimes. But he will probably make up for this disappointment soon enough in the next race at Le Mans, where he'll be the favorite. Anyway, even if today he looked despondent like one who had just scored 0 points, actually he was a good second. Not too bad given the problems.

Behind the two Yamahas, again we saw a very sensible Marquez wisely settling for third, and a diligent Pedrosa arriving 4th. The Suzukis also managed well enough. Iannone was 7th and first Ducati.

On the podium Rossi looked of course overjoyed, Lorenzo visibly upset, and Marquez reasonably happy. The atmosphere was funny -- Valentino and the two Spaniards were really looking like aliens (although only to each other). Soooo careful not to spray the wrong one(s) with champagne!

Marquez is still first in the championship by a good margin and still looks like the best candidate for the title to me, in spite of the problems Honda still has. His new more mature approach is paying off.

In other developments a very unlucky Dovi collected his third DNF in a row, with no fault of his. This time it was because of a technical problem (a water pump failure). But it is difficult to say if it is more the Ducatis having problems, or their riders getting depressed. Some say there's even the possibility that both of them will leave at the end of the season... They surely look worried.
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Lorenzo ALWAYS has an excuse. His confidence level is fragile so he must pamper it.

If Rossi catches (or passes) Marc in points, I wonder if Marc will continue his more mature approach (accepting podiums) or will the pressure see him revert back to WIN it or BIN it style.
 
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J4rn0 said:
Boring race, in which the deciding factors were high temperatures and tire spinning.

If you want to see a great race with exciting passes, head straight to Moto3. :)

Rossi won because he worked well with his team during FP, lapping a lot with used tires and optimizing the engine map to be used in the second half of the race.

That kind of work is now necessary because the current ECUs lack the refined self-adaptive algorithms that used to take care of tire wear and grip in an automatic way, as the race progressed: now riders have to manually switch to different engine maps during the race, to adjust to track conditions and tire wear.

All riders (including Rossi) said their tires began spinning a lot even on the straight in the second half of the race, so much that they had to open the throttle less to avoid cooking their rear tires.

Lorenzo, rather surprisingly, seemed to think that he was the only one suffering from that problem; in his post-race interview he said that, without it, he would have surely won by a good margin. :)

Jorge is like that sometimes. But he will probably make up for this disappointment soon enough in the next race at Le Mans, where he'll be the favorite. Anyway, even if today he looked despondent like one who had just scored 0 points, actually he was a good second. Not too bad given the problems.

Behind the two Yamahas, again we saw a very sensible Marquez wisely settling for third, and a diligent Pedrosa arriving 4th. The Suzukis also managed well enough. Iannone was 7th and first Ducati.

On the podium Rossi looked of course overjoyed, Lorenzo visibly upset, and Marquez reasonably happy. The atmosphere was funny -- Valentino and the two Spaniards were really looking like aliens (although only to each other). Soooo careful not to spray the wrong one(s) with champagne!

Marquez is still first in the championship by a good margin and still looks like the best candidate for the title to me, in spite of the problems Honda still has. His new more mature approach is paying off.

In other developments a very unlucky Dovi collected his third DNF in a row, with no fault of his. This time it was because of a technical problem (a water pump failure). But it is difficult to say if it is more the Ducatis having problems, or their riders getting depressed. Some say there's even the possibility that both of them will leave at the end of the season... They surely look worried.
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I reckon the course taken thus far this season by Ducati may be contributing to Lorenzo's dark demeanor. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
 
J4rn0 said:
Marquez is still first in the championship by a good margin and still looks like the best candidate for the title to me, in spite of the problems Honda still has. His new more mature approach is paying off.
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Everyone: journalists, himself (!), fans talk about it like that was already an established reality. For now, it's a theorem yet to be fully proved. Of course he'll crash less than last year, but one or two races without points might come, of course not necessarily by a mistake of his own.

In other developments a very unlucky Dovi collected his third DNF in a row, with no fault of his. This time it was because of a technical problem (a water pump failure). But it is difficult to say if it is more the Ducatis having problems, or their riders getting depressed. Some say there's even the possibility that both of them will leave at the end of the season... They surely look worried.
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Sounds like the kind of overdramatic thinking way too focused on the immediate present. Technically they only screwed one out of 4 races, and one where they kinda expected to screw, maybe just not so badly. Ducati's season starts now.
 
Still waiting to see an epic battle take place between the aliens or for Michelin to come up with a tire that works the way it's supposed to.
 
Impressive ride from Rossi, those 16 points for Marquez are very important . 6x16 = 96 and he is in the title hunt last year. At least 2 of those six were 20 point crashes.The racing axiom that always rings true, you cant win the championship in the first few races of the season, but you can damn sure lose it. Im going to start calling Michelins "Gumps". there like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get.

Vinales has no excuse getting beat by his teammate in a straight up race if he is supposed to be the next big thing. Like i said last week, im not convinced the Ducati is what Lorenzo thinks it is. i have not even bothered to look, but what is Reddings excuse this week.Getting smoked by Albino Rabbit, he better have a good one. Again, congrats to Vale.
 
Mentioned yesterday that if the temperature increases as forecast this one's Rossi's.

I think he's nailed on for the top step in the customary wet race Bugatti too in a fortnight.
 
moto vudu said:
Lorenzo ALWAYS has an excuse. His confidence level is fragile so he must pamper it.
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He is not the only one to always have an excuse as many if not all of these guys cannot admit that the other riders/bikes are better as to do so means that they will always be on the back foot (so to speak)

Of course, there will be a rider or two that likes to setup that same scenario as then they become the underdog, and that in itself can be awespome motivation

CharlieParker said:
Sounds like the kind of overdramatic thinking way too focused on the immediate present. Technically they only screwed one out of 4 races, and one where they kinda expected to screw, maybe just not so badly. Ducati's season starts now.
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May be more an atmosphere/environment thing as well as there has been huge speculation as to which of the riders will go in 2017, so quite likely that both are looking around at their options.

Dovi has been there done that and so he may be looking for a 'retirement' ride or a ride where he can forge and lead some of the development, which will not occur at Ducati with JL coming along. Alternately, Ianonne is you and has some speed at times so will likely be looking for a team that allows him to develop whilst not placing to much pressure, plus he has the aspect of personality in that he backed VR last year with all allegations and may now be expected to work with 'one of the other side' which may make him uncomfortable.
 
Gaz said:
He is not the only one to always have an excuse as many if not all of these guys cannot admit that the other riders/bikes are better as to do so means that they will always be on the back foot (so to speak)

Of course, there will be a rider or two that likes to setup that same scenario as then they become the underdog, and that in itself can be awespome motivation
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True, but at times Rossi & MM will simply state they didn't have the pace to win and leave it at that. I cannot recall a time that Lorenzo ever didn't give some sort of excuse. I understand that's how he attempts to keep his confidence up.
 
moto vudu said:
True, but at times Rossi & MM will simply state they didn't have the pace to win and leave it at that. I cannot recall a time that Lorenzo ever didn't give some sort of excuse. I understand that's how he attempts to keep his confidence up.
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Thing is MV, what is said in public versus what is reported later as well

There have been many times when 'happy' press conference riders become excuse makers as things pan out over a few days.

JL is just one of the characters that prefers to publicise it, no harm there (IMO) if/when he has valid reasons and if his tyre was spinning or causing him issues, it is valid, the fact that others may have or did have the same issues is of no concern.

I mean, JL can say 'without my tyre spinning I could have won the race' whilst another rider could say that 'it was a little difficult today as the tyre was spinning up everywhere' but only one sounds like an excuse when both are essentially saying the same thing, but differently


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FWIW to answer if/when JL has not 'made excuses' (to paraphrase you), was when CS/DP were around and the racing was clean, concise and the podium was all smiles with little to no tension ............ I shall leave it to everyone's own minds to determine what has changed
 
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Redding not happy - tyre concerns (again)

Redding hits out after fearing repeat of Argentina tyre failure


Scott Redding admits he was worried for his safety due to the tyre degradation his bike suffered in the Spanish Grand Prix – and has called on Michelin to fix the issue.

The Pramac Ducati rider had a miserable time in the Jerez race, finishing last in 19th place, 12 seconds off the bike ahead.

Having run the early race in the 1m42s bracket, he eventually had to drop down into the 1m44s. Redding says the lowered pace was intentional, so as to avoid the kind of tyre failure that he suffered in Argentina.

"The tyre was falling apart – and I probably shouldn't say it, but that's the truth," Redding told media after the race. "It just cost me another race.

"The problem was I felt something wasn't right, and I didn't want to keep pushing and the same happened what happened in Argentina.

"When it's happened to you once and you have the feeling it could happen again, it tells you something's not right."

In Argentina, Redding's tyre came apart violently during FP4, the debris hitting the Briton in the back and leaving him bruised – and the Pramac rider was keen to not face a repeat of that in Jerez.

He continued: "We just checked the tyre and it had started to delaminate, chunks have come out.

"We need to fix something or they need to fix something for the moment. It just didn't work from the word go and it just got worse and worse.

"I couldn't stop, I hit into [Loris] Baz down the back straight, I just couldn't stop the bike. It was a s**t race."

Explaining why he didn't retire the bike, Redding said: "If you pull in and something's not right, Ducati come to you and say 'why should we give you the opportunity?'.

"I learned that in the past – even if it's not going right, you still have to keep trying till the end."

Michelin standstill

Redding, however, does not seem certain that a resolution to his woes is on the horizon and says Michelin believe his above-average size to be the root of the problem.

"We've got a meeting at six [o'clock] with them," he said.

"Their excuse last week was that I was too heavy, I was too big. Why are they gonna change the tyre for one rider, you know?

"Obviously safety comes into it, all Ducatis have struggled this week with it – I don't really know where or what they're gonna do."

The Briton also admitted this issue could hurt his chances of landing a future factory ride.

"They're blaming me, we're saying it's the tyre – so in the end, why would big manufacturers want to take someone who can't use the tyre?" he asked.

"And it's not that we can't use it, it's just not working for us – they made a big change and it's affected us the most, to be honest.

"And like I said, Ducati are struggling but the other guys managed to find a bit somewhere."
 

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