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Circuit Information

LENGTH: 5.2 km / 3.26 miles
CORNERS: 6 left - 9 right
WIDTH: 14 m. / 45.93 ft.
LONGEST STRAIGHT: 1141 m. / 3743.44 ft.
Laps: 23
2/3 of laps: -
Total distance: 120.6 km / 75.0 miles

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FRI May 2064°F / 54°FThunderstorms80%N 10 mph84%
SAT May 2171° / 56°Sunny20%ENE 7 mph72%
SUN May 2272° / 55°Partly Cloudy10%SSW 12 mph69%

In Memorium

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Almost ten years ago, I wrote my first pre-race report as a way to escape the constant arguments over the same two riders and the same handful of encounters. Those initial posts were me taking my own advice that I would later give someone who complained about them - if you don't like the conversation, then change it. When it became obvious that my efforts were not only appreciated but anticipated, I took steps to formalize the format and delivery so that the overall concept evolved into... well this. The first true pre-race report that I consider myself to have written came on August 11, 2011. Titled "Bleeding on the Edge", it featured the flowing lines of the 2008 MotoCzysz C1 prototype motorcycle.

This past week, architect, rider, racer and visionary Michael Czysz passed away after a long and private battle with cancer. While he did not live to see the C1 compete, his shift in focus to the world of E-bikes led to the kind of innovation, achievements and race victories that anyone could be proud of. The event of his passing gave me the opportunity to reflect on some of the design and writings that originated from the MotoCzysz garage, and to evaluate some of the discussion current in MotoGP through a different lens than many.

One of the criticisms that were leveraged against Czysz during the inception of the C1 was that some of his concepts were so far off from what the larger manufacturers were doing. There is a solid school of thought that says that if the big players aren't doing something, then it probably isn't worth doing and is a waste of time. I cannot help but think that Michael Czysz has been laughing these past two years at the events in MotoGP.

In a blog post about aerodynamics posted on the MotoCzysz site Michael wrote:

Ugly Aerodynamics

What is needed to create an aerodynamic motorcycle is in direct contrast with the current fashion trend of motorcycle design. Think less RC8/RSV4R tail and more… well every bad “futuristic” concept bike you saw in the 80′s tail.

Beauty is more than skin deep

The original design for the C1 had a ducted radiator system, though very difficult to implement in the constraints of an ICE motorcycle. I have always believed this was a worthwhile pursuit. The 012E1pc takes this concept to another level with body panels that ram air and vacuum assist the entire cooling process. MotoCzysz has spent as much effort on how the air flows thru the bike as around, the result is a cooling system that looks more like an intercooler from the space shuttle than for a motorcycle.

True to his words, if you look at pictures of the C1 there are subtle creases and structures all over the bike that direct air into the large side channels. However, more to the point of current GP discussion, is the title picture of this post. There, on a electronic bike from a "garage" outfit, are the very structures that are currently causing such an uproar in the class of the racing elite. "Strakes", "winglets", "spoilers".... call them what you want, but Michael Czysz not only implemented the concept - and successfully - but proved that they can be so much more than what many people see. While the strakes in GP appear to be gory, tacked on afterthoughts of design - which, to be fair, they probably are - the E1PC shows that if given a bit of thought they can not only be elegant, but also incorporated into the fairing and be no more a danger than any other aspect.

Ride In Peace Miachel, and godspeed.

The Ducati Conundrum Resolved

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After months of hype and innuendo, the Ducati factory (responsible for the current trend of strakes that has swept the paddock) announced that Jorge Lorenzo would be jumping ship from the successful Yamaha team to ride in red for 2017. Astute viewers would have noted that Lorenzo was the first Yamaha rider to adopt using strakes, and it could be suggested that he did this in preparation to better understand the riding characteristics that the aerodynamic devices impart before leaving. This news threw the entire silly season into a spin, as it opened several intriguing possibilities for rider moves. Nobody would be surprised to be told than Andrea is remaining at Ducati - there are two of them after all. Ducati has now confirmed that Dovizioso will be the one to stay. Iannone is believed to be in line for one of the other seats that will be vacated as other riders move around.

With a fresh contract in hand, Ducati will be eager to reap some rewards. With such a high profile rider as Lorenzo coming on board, they (in many ways) need the Desmocedici GP to shine. This makes the upcoming weekend a tough one for Dovi. Not only has he been plagued with bad luck, gremlins, and seagulls this year but the Italian track has not been one of his best aboard the Ducati. He has been unable to even get near the podium in the past 3 years.

Keys to victory: Sneak a jet engine in there to go with all of the wings? Better yet, take a page from the automotive supercar handbook and ask Gigi to deliver a hybrid system by shoving a compact C1 battery under the fairing to provide an extra boost of power.

2015 - Ducati Factory Team - DNF
2014 - Ducati Factory Team - 6th
2013 - Ducati Factory Team - 5th

The Great Yamaha Mystery - Solve

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With Rossi locked into Yamaha, and both Lorenzo and Dovizioso confirmed to Ducati there was only one other hot prospect left on the table. While some rumors were circulating that Dani Pedrosa may have been poached from Repsol Honda, the theory seemed far fetched at best, flight of fantasy at worst. Pedrosa has been a long time Repsol man... well possibly even before he became a "man". While the same may have been said for Lorenzo given his longtime association with Yamaha, Pedrosa does not seem to have the same contentious relationship in the garage that the Mallorcan does. Needless to say that Pedrosa is staying put, happy where he is. Maverick Viñales, who has been making Suzuki look really good including returning them to the podium, will be moving to the Movistar squad in 2017 to replace Lorenzo.

Keys to victory: Attrition. Rossi and Lorenzo are out to prove a point to each other. Marquez struggles with the Honda but he's making it work. Kind of. Dovi wants to show Gigi that he made the right choice in retaining him and Iannone wants to show that they made a mistake - Argentina not withstanding. There's plenty of opportunity for the front runners to take each other out, if Dovi's bike doesn't sport another leak or flat tire or something again.
 
Fantastic write up, as usual. Well done Bud. We are lucky to have you here.


My Migs for this race: Iannone for the win.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
 
Could be a mad one if Friday practice is comprised by thunderstorms. That would massively favour Ducati as they tested here recently.
 
am i the only one who is genuinely surprised that Stoner is not doing a WC ?! it was either qatar, mugello or PI, really hope to see him at PI at least.


as far as the race goes , i doubt that any bike has any chance until sachsenring, these next 3 ones are gonna be chopped between rossi and lorenzo.
 
am i the only one who is genuinely surprised that Stoner is not doing a WC ?! it was either qatar, mugello or PI, really hope to see him at PI at least.


as far as the race goes , i doubt that any bike has any chance until sachsenring, these next 3 ones are gonna be chopped between rossi and lorenzo.

Stoner is acting like a ......

I don't think he is wild carding this year unless we get to Phillip Island and Ducati hasn't won a race....then we MIGHT see him. But the chances are getting slim now. The best we will ever get is him riding at an official test.
 
Thanks for the article on Czysz. I know next to nothing about E-bikes but, he was an interesting guy. And what a beautiful looking machine. If a bike could win races based just on elegance of design and livery (not to mention leathers and helmet graphics) that would be a world beater. Really beautiful lines on that machine.

Here's a photo of one of his "conventional" gas powered bikes. For a guy who was self-taught he did amazing stuff. What a loss.
 

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My ideal finishing order...
1 Dani
2 Iannone
3 Dovi
4 Rossi
10 Marquez
DNF Lorenzo
Probability of happening zero but it would make the championship more interesting!
 
My Migs for this race: Iannone for the win.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

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I cant say I disagree....an Italian on an Italian bike at the Italian grand prix....and this particular Italian will want to prove himself above Lorenzo and Dovi most of all....so he will either win it or bin it and take JLo and Dovi with him unfortunately....
 
Here's a photo of one of his "conventional" gas powered bikes. For a guy who was self-taught he did amazing stuff. What a loss.

The C1 still remains one of my favorite motorcycle designs. Even almost 10 years old, I think that you could put it in a showroom and still have it look very much up to date given the correct lighting treatment. I seriously wonder what could have been if he'd contracted an established firm like Rotax to build the W4 engine instead of trying to do it completely in house and dealing with all of the setbacks from lower quality vendors. If I had the disposable income I'd seriously recommend to the family doing a production run with regular plastics and a W engine manufactured by an established maker.

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I agree Iannone is going to be the rider to watch this weekend, but not necessarily win it.
 
Great write up! Should be a good weekend of racing, but I think the results will be similar to last time with yams up front

For me

Lorenzo
Rossi
Ianone
Marquez
 
Is it just me?
Or did JLo look fcuking bored in the press conference?
He was chuckling when Petrux was talking,
But so was everyone else, me included.
But the rest of the time, tapping fingers looking round.
Might be the beer;)

On another totally unrelated note. last night.
It was awesome to watch a stage of the tour of California finish on the iconic La-Guna Seca racetrack. to see some other hard as fcuking nails two wheel riders going down the corkscrew and sprinting to the line brought a lump to my throat.
Firstly because of all the great people I met there and been there in 2012 for the last gp.
And just because I love that track, others have great points turns corners whatever. But that's a track:D
 
Is it just me?
Or did JLo look fcuking bored in the press conference?
He was chuckling when Petrux was talking,
But so was everyone else, me included.
But the rest of the time, tapping fingers looking round.
Might be the beer;)

On another totally unrelated note. last night.
It was awesome to watch a stage of the tour of California finish on the iconic La-Guna Seca racetrack. to see some other hard as fcuking nails two wheel riders going down the corkscrew and sprinting to the line brought a lump to my throat.
Firstly because of all the great people I met there and been there in 2012 for the last gp.
And just because I love that track, others have great points turns corners whatever. But that's a track:D

What did Petrux say that was reason to chuckle?
 
Petrux's comment was pretty cute. Other than that and bodyguard question, pretty boring press conf.
 
FP1 times. Damp, Hernandez set fastest time on intermediates.

1. Yonny Hernandez COL Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 54.199s [Lap 10/10] 326km/h (Top Speed)
2. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 54.973s +0.774s [12/12] 335km/h
3. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.334s +1.135s [12/12] 326km/h
4. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 55.659s +1.460s [12/12] 330km/h
5. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP) 1m 56.411s +2.212s [8/8] 333km/h
6. Maverick Viñales ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 56.966s +2.767s [8/8] 330km/h
7. Eugene Laverty IRL Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 58.757s +4.558s [10/10] 317km/h
8. Alvaro Bautista ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 59.101s +4.902s [6/6] 309km/h
9. Andrea Iannone ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP) 1m 59.808s +5.609s [5/6] 325km/h
10. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 2m 00.742s +6.543s [18/18] 305km/h
11. Loris Baz FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 2m 01.163s +6.964s [17/17] 313km/h
12. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2) 2m 01.800s +7.601s [5/5] 310km/h
 
'Valentino Rossi (Movistar Yamaha MotoGP) used the less than ideal conditions to perform a number of practice starts out of pit lane. After burning his clutch off the start in Austin, Rossi and his team have been working a lot with the clutch and his starts. Rossi spent the entire session practicing starts, immediately returning to the pit lane and not completing a time. Yamaha are clearly testing something new with Rossi’s clutch, but Massimo Meregalli remained tight lipped.'

Wonder if Lorenzo has acces to this?
 

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