MotoGP: 2015 Round 16 - Pramac Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
I find it funny that people want to try to build up Stoner so much when he's even a notch below Lorenzo and a couple notches below Marquez. Give him credit - he did have Pedrosa covered though. Hell, he didn't even get the ride on the Duc on my wall of fame…

Well...you are "eminently qualified" to make such an assessment, apparently. I'm amused at how desperate the guy who is looking for affirmations has thrown in his approval despite a forum career of staunchly crushing members who expressed your sentiments on the subject of Stoner.

Edit: did u just add that pic, didn't see it in your original post.

Edit: wait wait, is that a Nicky fathead? Cool. Maybe you really are a genius. Perhaps I should also suspend my opinions on Casey too, obviously your wall of fame is correct.

Keshav · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
I find it funny that people want to try to build up Stoner so much when he's even a notch below Lorenzo and a couple notches below Marquez. Give him credit - he did have Pedrosa covered though. Hell, he didn't even get the ride on the Duc on my wall of fame…

Agree to disagree.

#22 · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
I find it funny that people want to try to build up Stoner so much when he's even a notch below Lorenzo and a couple notches below Marquez. Give him credit - he did have Pedrosa covered though. Hell, he didn't even get the ride on the Duc on my wall of fame…

Depends in what way you are rating Stoner. As I have said before, in terms of raw speed, imo there is no-one faster...ever. If you got a load of identical bikes and lined them up tomorrow for the current MotoGP field to ride, I'd bet my house on Stoner being fastest, that guy can ride the wheels off a shopping trolley.

All rounder? Sure, maybe he has weaknesses compared to Lorenzo or Rossi that don't make him as good an 'all rounder', but discount him as one of the most talented the sport has ever seen would be foolish, regardless of what you think of him personally

yzthumpa · Oct 20, 2015

Jumkie said:
is that a Nicky fathead?

Actually not a fathead - I painted it in my gameroom, along with this one...

The cartoon designs are not my originals - I saw them somewhere and used as reference for the paintings.

yzthumpa · Oct 20, 2015

A little more evidence of my Nicky man-crush…

Signed banner from Laguna Seca the year he won it all…

Gloves and puck…

Couple other things from my gameroom - gloves from hewhomustnotbenamed..

And the Holy Grail…

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
Actually not a fathead - I painted it in my gameroom, along with this one...

The cartoon designs are not my originals - I saw them somewhere and used as reference for the paintings.

Cool ..... I like the Rossi one too. Reminds me of when he lost the title to Nicky.

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
A little more evidence of my Nicky man-crush…

Signed banner from Laguna Seca the year he won it all…

Gloves and puck…

Couple other things from my gameroom - gloves from hewhomustnotbenamed..

And the Holy Grail…

Holy .... dude, that's bitchen. How can you be so smart and right about Nicky but so wrong about Marc, Rossi, and Stoner? Ah who cares, if u love Nicky then you are a Mensa Genius indeed.

Where do you hail from?

Baffy · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
I find it funny that people want to try to build up Stoner so much when he's even a notch below Lorenzo and a couple notches below Marquez. Give him credit - he did have Pedrosa covered though. Hell, he didn't even get the ride on the Duc on my wall of fame…

Why is it that 'fans' of GP will argue continuously to put stoner below other riders, despite more than one world champion, (hayden, cuntslow and lorenzo with out actually trying to remember) stating he is the most talented person to ride a GP bike and that they could never do what he did on a bike?

Rossi has been there a long time, yea good for him, who wouldn't want to stay around when things were laid out for them on a golden platter? 2002 was certainly a good year to be the golden child of Dorna / Honda!

Anyway your are just plain wrong anyway, Doohan is the greatest ever, 1992 + the screamer and the mind games he started. Rossi aint got .....

Oh, and RV2 would spank RC4

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
A little more evidence of my Nicky man-crush…

Signed banner from Laguna Seca the year he won it all…

Gloves and puck…

Couple other things from my gameroom - gloves from hewhomustnotbenamed..

And the Holy Grail…

All that counts for .... when you've seen Willski's Hector Barbera memorabilia first hand or you're privy to the contents of B.JCs garage.

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

Baffy said:
Oh, and RV2 would spank RC4

Woe...that's mind blowing. I don't know, both were amazing fast and consistent. Well, if I knew anything of MX/SX. Baff, my friend L8brake is trying to resurrect our MX/SX thread. Chime in dude. Anyway, thanks for having the courage to express your opinions, not everyone has such intestinal fortitude these days from fear that it will reveal their unfriendly character. Your post does remind me of this quote:

"Rossi bitched and moaned and threatened and demanded - all the while - winning no races. All his brainstorming with Burgess amounted in the end, to nothing. True - Ducati's engineers were dug in with their in-bred design philosophy - but the great Rossi never managed to inspire any results."

What are your thoughts on this quote Thumps, sounds like Rossi was a whining moaning ..... just like Stoner.

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
All that counts for .... when you've seen Willski's Hector Barbera memorabilia first hand or you're privy to the contents of B.JCs garage.

If by "garage" you mean 15 story 75,000 sqft. building of showroom space. 3 floors alone dedicated to every type of camera imaginable, not to mention a collection of 500cc GP bikes that have seen action.

Though that pales in comparison to Willski's collection, which is infinite, since it exists in the archives of all that space in his brain.

yzthumpa · Oct 20, 2015

Baffy said:
Why is it that 'fans' of GP will argue continuously to put stoner below other riders, despite more than one world champion, (hayden, cuntslow and lorenzo with out actually trying to remember) stating he is the most talented person to ride a GP bike and that they could never do what he did on a bike?

Funny, many of the MX greats (including McGrath and Pastrana) said the same thing about Kevin Windham, but he could rarely put it all together on race day. Villopoto was lucky to have a weak field and aging greats as his competition. Best of his reign for sure, but not a pimple on RC's ....
I actually have more MX memorabilia than road racing. I have signed jerseys from Vuillemin, Windham, Villopoto, Reed, Roncada, plus a few other things. Grew up watching MX since the Marty Smith/Bob Hannah days, but didn't really start watching road racing til Hayden's prime years. A few years back I used to write a comedic column called the "Thumpa Report" on some of the popular MX/SX sites.

Gaz · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
Who said I joined? I said I qualify.
The obvious point is that Vale is 6 years older, so comparing them in the same calendar year is like comparing apples and oranges. Obviously comparing a rookie Stoner to an experienced Vale is equally absurd. I'm simply manipulating statistics so they support my point, but I hope that is transparently obvious. It's all in fun. You will never convince a Stoner fan that Vale is superior, and vice versa. It's like comparing Bubba Stewart to Ricky Carmichael... Though like Vale, RC is obviously superior to anyone with even only MENSA-level intelligence.:happy:

ETA:...although neither is on Nicky Hayden's level.

I would say you are likely to be very surprised.

I know many Stoner fans who will never say that he is a better racer or rider than Rossi but will say that he is faster (which as we know, does not correlate to better).

What I do not know is any Rossi fan that will entertain the thought that there have been or may be riders better than Rossi. Yes some admit to faster riders but not better.

Amongst both pools of fans are those that will believe no matter what that their preferred supported rider has the cure for AIDS, will solve World Peace and can open a child proof cap on a medicine bottle with one hand.

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
A few years back I used to write a comedic column called the "Thumpa Report" on some of the popular MX/SX sites.

Now you just write comedic posts on a race forum.

Gaz · Oct 20, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Jumjum, you are getting worked by a noob. Maybe you should do what Casey would do and quit.

But who is gonna offer Jums 20 million US for one more season so that he can reject that and then quit?

Talpa · Oct 20, 2015

Wow. I'd love to hear some of these keyboard warriors tell biaggi, Roberts jnr, McCoy, caparossi, gibernau, Hayden, melandri, checa, vermulen, bayliss to their faces that they weren't much chop and gifted Rossi all of his wins!

Although I'm sure we could all tell these world champions how much better we are than them, and that our motivation for telling them that they weren't that good is to prove to ourselves and other likeminded haters that Rossis career is actually a sham gifted to him by the god Zeus because Zeus was actually a closet member of the yellow army.

And that Nicky Hayden's promotion to the best motorcycle racing team in the world after winning a scrappy domestic series was completely legitimate.

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

Gaz said:
I

...rider has the cure for AIDS, will solve World Peace and can open a child proof cap on a medicine bottle with one hand.

Wait, I think you just described Nicky Hayden.

Gaz, you suffer from the same ailment as Michael, whilst trying to sound impartial make the mistake of throwing a bone. CS>VR, I know both u and Mike think this, have the balls to say it homie. (Think in your mind's eye what u base your assessment on VRs "greatness" Give CS while taking away from VR-- the preferred tires, the preferred machine, the top teams, and the league's blessings and interventions, what would the record books look like?)

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
Villopoto was lucky to have a weak field and aging greats as his competition.

Wait, I thought u said your specialty was MX/SX, this take isn't helping your cause.

Edit: oh wait, I get it, you were in comedic character.

yzthumpa · Oct 20, 2015

Jumkie said:
Wait, I thought u said your specialty was MX/SX, this take isn't helping your cause.

RC retired McGrath. Villopoto's chief rival was Dungey. Enough said. RV, like Stewart, had a propensity for mistakes or crashes when pressured. He was able to hold up to Dungey's pressure on enough occasions to win titles, but RC would have broken him. I would say that RV was damn near as fast as RC, but not as tough mentally.

Jumkie · Oct 20, 2015

yzthumpa said:
RC retired McGrath. Villopoto's chief rival was Dungey. Enough said.

McGrath? Wait, didn't you just argue we should not compare Casey prime to the old version of Rossi?

Well...I don't know much about Motocross or Supercross...but

Dungey? The multi-SX and MX champion, des Nations champion , Lites class, 250, 450 champion, 2nd all time motocross race winner? That Ryan Dungey? 60+ odd AMA wins, top 5 all time, winning championships for the last 7 years in various categories, that Ryan Dungey? Yeah that dude is a slouch.

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