Moto2 riders failing in MotoGP?

Right, we've seen a few riders come up from Moto2 now over the last few years...and really only MM has been successful in MotoGP....

Moto2 Graduates
T. Elias - Failed to shine after winning Moto2 title, even though he did have several MotoGP experience...

S. Bradl - HUGE fail after beating MM to the Moto2 title in 2011, only managing 1 podium on a satellite Honda in 2013...

P.Espagaro - So far failing to set the MotoGP world on fire, even though he was supposed to be the one man that could take the fight to MM....no podiums in 1st year....even though I was expecting it given what people thought of his skills...

S.Redding - Failing so far and if doesn't deliver soon will definitely lose HRC's confidence a al Bradl...showed much promise in Moto2, but it doesnt seem to be paying off....

A.Iannone - Improving and showing promise but this could be more down to finally having a proper ride on the Ducati than his lack of skill and poor training in Moto2....

B.Smith - Doing well but was pretty much out of job last year.....and he really didnt set the moto2 world on fire either.....

Newcomers....
- M.Vinales - He basically did his 1 year in Moto2 and got out.....and i think he got out not only for the factory Suzuki ride but because he saw that Moto2 is a poor training ground for MotoGP.....so staying would not help his career nor his riding skills in MotoGP....

- J.Miller - As we know he skipped Moto2 completely....he knows it is a waste of time and of his talent....

Questions then...
So is Moto2 a poor training ground for MotoGP?
I think Yes

Should it be done away with and replaced with a Moto3 style rules buth with larger capacity (e.g. get ride of the Honda only engines)?
I think Yes....


Any other thoughts or riders i missed...

Its been on my mind so i figured you guys wouldn't mind discussing....

the problem is if a rider is not on one of the top 3 teams, he stands little chance of finishing on the podium. I think lack of experience in a series on a quality is more to blame then the series as a whole.
what would be a better series?

Moto 2 should be revised and a change of engine would be great. 500 cc twin cylinder 4t , it would be a much better noise than those horrid 600's. Unfortunately it will never happen in the near future because the current format is loved by the teams as it is so cheap. It'd be nice though.

Vinales is improving. Or is Suzuki improving?

I believe if Pol was on a factory yamaha you would see him shine.

.... it, give them all factory rides. .... the establishment. MM & JL are the two best riders in the field. They will be up front.

VR & DP would be relegated to mid pack. At best.

The problem is the factory rides are all hogged by the same riders.

The Majority of 250 riders called up failed as well. By default, more moto2 riders will fill seats as the years go by as they will be the go to choice as the feeder series of GP. Someday Rosii, Pedrosa, Lorenzo will be gone and riders from moto 2 will fill their seats and they will go on to be GPworld champion.

Poor ole Tito Rabat

Barbedwirebikerr said:

I believe if Pol was on a factory yamaha you would see him shine.

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I don't agree. He has a Yamaha contract, and granted a customer bike in a satellite team, but I really don't believe that the extra resources and having parts conferred slightly earlier would make him go any faster and really there's not a great deal of evidence to suggest it would. Based upon a full season, you could make a much stronger case for Bradley - particularly with his superior development skills which one of the reasons KTM have snatched him up.

Arrabbiata1 said:

I don't agree. He has a Yamaha contract, and granted a customer bike in a satellite team, but I really don't believe that the extra resources and having parts conferred slightly earlier would make him go any faster and really there's not a great deal of evidence to suggest it would. Based upon a full season, you could make a much stronger case for Bradley - particularly with his superior development skills which one of the reasons KTM have snatched him up.

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And neither of them have done as good as Crutchlow did on the Tech3.

povol said:

And neither of them have done as good as Crutchlow did on the Tech3.

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Spies also did well on the tech 3 , it seems to suit ex wsb riders more than upcoming gp class lads, why?

Daniboy said:

Spies also did well on the tech 3 , it seems to suit ex wsb riders more than upcoming gp class lads, why?

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Who knows,its hit or miss. WSS guys have not done well in Moto2 except for maybe Lowes. Superglue is a prodigy on a WSS 600 and nothing else. WSBK guys always fail at GP, GP guys almost always do well in WSBK or national SB series. Im guessing the truly great riders are good on anything. I still say the second half of the GP field is interchangeable with dozens of riders across the globe, while the top half are truly the elite.

povol said:

Who knows,its hit or miss. WSS guys have not done well in Moto2 except for maybe Lowes. Superglue is a prodigy on a WSS 600 and nothing else. WSBK guys always fail at GP, GP guys almost always do well in WSBK or national SB series. Im guessing the truly great riders are good on anything. I still say the second half of the GP field is interchangeable with dozens of riders across the globe, while the top half are truly the elite.

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I think Karel Abraham is great proof of that. He's not doing any better or worse in WSBK than he was in the GP. Which to me says that while the top few guys are clearly better and more talented the drop off after those guys makes everyone else pretty level with other top guys in other series.

Is it to early to declare Alex Marquez is done. We are 20 plus races into his Moto2 career without any evidence of improvement. Just like some guys are always at or near the front, he is always at or near 15th. His name might save him, but if im signing his check, im pulling the plug at the end of the season unless their is a huge turnaround where he is getting top 5-7 within shouting distance of the winner. This is also Danny Kents second stint in Moto2 and he is no better this time around than he was last time. He has shown nothing that would indicate he will develope into a top 5 rider, has not scored a point since the opening race of the season.

I've never rated Alex Marquez anyway. He has ridden off his brothers name imo and only won the Moto3 title because of influence from Alzamora to hinder Rins.

I concur 22. He's an also ran.

I whole-heartedly agree with you both. I find it interesting, especially since iirc after AM won the title, Marc said he felt Alex was better than he was at that age.

Yeah they all say that though. Senna said "If you think I'm fast, wait for my nephew Bruno", and he didn't really do anything.

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I've never rated Alex Marquez anyway. He has ridden off his brothers name imo and only won the Moto3 title because of influence from Alzamora to hinder Rins.

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Im not sure im buying into that conspiracy. Marquez beat Miller for the title and Rins was a distant 3rd. Marquez may have had some favoritism in their camp, but Miller finished almost 2 races ahead of Rins in points. You heard Rins say Marquez got preferential treatment, but was there ever a particular claim or was it just the typical blanket excuse riders will use when getting beat by his teammate.

I'm just going by what I read. But maybe it's the case, as seems to be with Danny Kent so far, that they are good Moto3 riders but not as good as people such as Rins on the bigger bikes.

Look at Stoner. He did well in 250 but didn't set the world alight, who knew he'd be the only person who could ride an 800c Ducati.

I'm just going by what I read. But maybe it's the case, as seems to be with Danny Kent so far, that they are good Moto3 riders but not as good as people such as Rins on the bigger bikes.

Look at Stoner. He did well in 250 but didn't set the world alight, who knew he'd be the only person who could ride an 800c Ducati.