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Good article. I think it pretty much says what we all have said on the board that Rossi whines and people sit up and listens..
I don't quite agree with all of the assertions made and definitley not the main assertion that Rossi runs motogp.
Motogp is a business and is a product. The sport will live and thrive when Rossi leaves and does not revolve around Rossi as the article suggests.
Dorna, as shown is a few articles on autosport, crash and elsewhere, monitors is product extremely closely. This year viewership declined in every major market where the racing was a snore. Paraphrasing i believe there were markets with 30% declines.
Declines like that represent significant impact to advertisement revenues, Title sponsors etc. Dorna/FIM absolutely must make moves to ensure the viability of the series.
What seems to be the logical culprits as to the change from the most exciting racing spectacle in the world to snore fests? Tyres and electronics.
What would any CEO address or apply political pressure to make the race better to watch, better for my sponsors, better for advertiser?
What do the experts say need to change to make the racing better? Well according to arguably the G.OA.T of Motorcycle racing say tyres and electronics are the culprits, everyone in the paddock says exactly the same. Seems like the short term adgenda is set. And a deeper understanding should follow.
Don't get me wrong... Rossi and Pedrosa both got special consideration for Bridgestone tyres next season. Rossi and Pedrosa both called for switches from their teams to Bstones.
I'ved lived to long to know things are just that black and white, connect the dots simple. There were some back room negotiations by Honda, Yamaha Dorna Bridgestone and Michelin going on that involved Rossi and Pedrosa.
All that we see is Rossi got Bridgestones.
It may have been that Michelin and Bridgestone compromised to stave off the single tyre rule and split hairs - one tyre company got the current hot Rider and the other got the hot up and coming rider with many years ahead of him.
I don't quite agree with all of the assertions made and definitley not the main assertion that Rossi runs motogp.
Motogp is a business and is a product. The sport will live and thrive when Rossi leaves and does not revolve around Rossi as the article suggests.
Dorna, as shown is a few articles on autosport, crash and elsewhere, monitors is product extremely closely. This year viewership declined in every major market where the racing was a snore. Paraphrasing i believe there were markets with 30% declines.
Declines like that represent significant impact to advertisement revenues, Title sponsors etc. Dorna/FIM absolutely must make moves to ensure the viability of the series.
What seems to be the logical culprits as to the change from the most exciting racing spectacle in the world to snore fests? Tyres and electronics.
What would any CEO address or apply political pressure to make the race better to watch, better for my sponsors, better for advertiser?
What do the experts say need to change to make the racing better? Well according to arguably the G.OA.T of Motorcycle racing say tyres and electronics are the culprits, everyone in the paddock says exactly the same. Seems like the short term adgenda is set. And a deeper understanding should follow.
Don't get me wrong... Rossi and Pedrosa both got special consideration for Bridgestone tyres next season. Rossi and Pedrosa both called for switches from their teams to Bstones.
I'ved lived to long to know things are just that black and white, connect the dots simple. There were some back room negotiations by Honda, Yamaha Dorna Bridgestone and Michelin going on that involved Rossi and Pedrosa.
All that we see is Rossi got Bridgestones.
It may have been that Michelin and Bridgestone compromised to stave off the single tyre rule and split hairs - one tyre company got the current hot Rider and the other got the hot up and coming rider with many years ahead of him.
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
The 990s were coming into their own. Honda's advantage was vanishing. By the time 2006 rolled around, 6+ riders had a realistic chance on raceday. Riders had to use both corner speed to conserve tires then point and shoot to slide the bike around late in the race.
The idea alone of a man climbing on to a 240hp liter bike was enough to make me watch regardless of how good or lopsided the races were.
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
The 990s were coming into their own. Honda's advantage was vanishing. By the time 2006 rolled around, 6+ riders had a realistic chance on raceday. Riders had to use both corner speed to conserve tires then point and shoot to slide the bike around late in the race.
The idea alone of a man climbing on to a 240hp liter bike was enough to make me watch regardless of how good or lopsided the races were.
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 29 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]105447[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
Must be Rossi?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
Up to now I've thought that 990 would never come back, and I guess I still think so, but the TC might at least be the guarantee that we won't see further decrease in capasity. As they continue to tweak these engines they will be more or less just as powerful as the 990s and that should open up the possibility for more alternative lines in the class and lead to more close racing.
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
Must be Rossi?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
Up to now I've thought that 990 would never come back, and I guess I still think so, but the TC might at least be the guarantee that we won't see further decrease in capasity. As they continue to tweak these engines they will be more or less just as powerful as the 990s and that should open up the possibility for more alternative lines in the class and lead to more close racing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Dec 29 2007, 02:37 PM) [snapback]105459[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Up to now I've thought that 990 would never come back, and I guess I still think so, but the TC might at least be the guarantee that we won't see further decrease in capasity. As they continue to tweak these engines they will be more or less just as powerful as the 990s and that should open up the possibility for more alternative lines in the class and lead to more close racing.
The 990s are long gone, unless the sport nearly falls completely apart and they bring them back with restricted fuel.
I hope youre right about the racing. It seems like a TC ban would certainly return things to 990 esque racing. I just hope there aren't too many casualties before the manufacturers start tuning the engines for usable power.
Up to now I've thought that 990 would never come back, and I guess I still think so, but the TC might at least be the guarantee that we won't see further decrease in capasity. As they continue to tweak these engines they will be more or less just as powerful as the 990s and that should open up the possibility for more alternative lines in the class and lead to more close racing.
The 990s are long gone, unless the sport nearly falls completely apart and they bring them back with restricted fuel.
I hope youre right about the racing. It seems like a TC ban would certainly return things to 990 esque racing. I just hope there aren't too many casualties before the manufacturers start tuning the engines for usable power.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 30 2007, 12:38 AM) [snapback]105462[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The 990s are long gone, unless the sport nearly falls completely apart and they bring them back with restricted fuel.
I hope youre right about the racing. It seems like a TC ban would certainly return things to 990 esque racing. I just hope there aren't too many casualties before the manufacturers start tuning the engines for usable power.
Yeah, I guess youre right about the 990s.
Instead of TC ban, something that would be difficult with todays technology, they might be able to minimize the effect by other means. A rpm limit would change the power curve and make it harder for the TC make such a big impact. But then again that would be another unpopular regulation driven by Rossi.
The 990s are long gone, unless the sport nearly falls completely apart and they bring them back with restricted fuel.
I hope youre right about the racing. It seems like a TC ban would certainly return things to 990 esque racing. I just hope there aren't too many casualties before the manufacturers start tuning the engines for usable power.
Yeah, I guess youre right about the 990s.
Instead of TC ban, something that would be difficult with todays technology, they might be able to minimize the effect by other means. A rpm limit would change the power curve and make it harder for the TC make such a big impact. But then again that would be another unpopular regulation driven by Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 29 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]105447[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
The 990s were coming into their own. Honda's advantage was vanishing. By the time 2006 rolled around, 6+ riders had a realistic chance on raceday. Riders had to use both corner speed to conserve tires then point and shoot to slide the bike around late in the race.
The idea alone of a man climbing on to a 240hp liter bike was enough to make me watch regardless of how good or lopsided the races were.
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
I agree ,at the end of 2006 many manufacturers were just about equal.
Which would make the racing in 2007 very close probably.
I read in a Swedish magazine about Randy Mamola testing the last of the 990's and he said they were incredibly equal,the difference was just minor things that could be ajusted to the rider.
In other words the right rider avaliable 2006 on the on the right bike, then it would be very much up to just the rider who won.
He also said that it's a shame to have to say goodbye to these roaring monsters,the 800's sound like 2-strokes.which i agree with.
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
The 990s were coming into their own. Honda's advantage was vanishing. By the time 2006 rolled around, 6+ riders had a realistic chance on raceday. Riders had to use both corner speed to conserve tires then point and shoot to slide the bike around late in the race.
The idea alone of a man climbing on to a 240hp liter bike was enough to make me watch regardless of how good or lopsided the races were.
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
Hard to believe less than a decade ago we were watching men wrestle the most difficult race machines ever built. Now the 250 children joke about how easy Motogp bikes are to ride. Pretty sad, imo.
I agree ,at the end of 2006 many manufacturers were just about equal.
Which would make the racing in 2007 very close probably.
I read in a Swedish magazine about Randy Mamola testing the last of the 990's and he said they were incredibly equal,the difference was just minor things that could be ajusted to the rider.
In other words the right rider avaliable 2006 on the on the right bike, then it would be very much up to just the rider who won.
He also said that it's a shame to have to say goodbye to these roaring monsters,the 800's sound like 2-strokes.which i agree with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 29 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]105447[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
.............
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
I totally agree with you. The problem as you have said in other posts is that dorna don't appear to know anything about bike racing, but seem to be having an increasing influence on the technical regulations. Ezpeleta going on his recent interview seems to believe he is essentially in charge of them. I think dorna were largely responsible for the disastrous 2007 rule changes, and I have little faith that further rule changes at their behest to fix things would be likely to be effective.
How about getting bike racing guys to set the technical regs, and getting dorna to stick to promotion and financial management?
I can't type enough, how stupid the people at Dorna are.
How did they let this happen? Why did they make it happen?
.............
They tried to make the sport safer but all they did was increase corner speed, remove the passing, and increase the cost. Probably one of the worst governing moves in the history of motorsports.
I totally agree with you. The problem as you have said in other posts is that dorna don't appear to know anything about bike racing, but seem to be having an increasing influence on the technical regulations. Ezpeleta going on his recent interview seems to believe he is essentially in charge of them. I think dorna were largely responsible for the disastrous 2007 rule changes, and I have little faith that further rule changes at their behest to fix things would be likely to be effective.
How about getting bike racing guys to set the technical regs, and getting dorna to stick to promotion and financial management?
