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Mladin Blasts Ducati Team

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Avoiding attracting attention to oneself by moderating one's actions or appearance;
Downplaying one's accomplishments (see humility);
Avoiding insincere self-abasement through false or sham modesty, which is a form of boasting.


What has gone wrong with victory celebrations? I just finished watching the World Superbike round from Monza, where Spies ran out of fuel in the last corner, and it prompted me to stop writing the blog I was half finished, and write about what I think is celebration in bad taste.


It happens far to often and in to many sports. I will talk about a few sports that I enjoy to watch, but really get up my nose when I see it happen.


I have been accused of being boring for many years, accused of not enjoying my racing etc etc, but little have the accusers thought about why after an easy win, or a win due to someones machine problems, I haven't celebrated like I just found out the world wasn't actually going to blow up.


I have been asked by many of the "blind" media, why I enjoy beating Ben so much, why I seem to be showing more emotion after beating Ben. I didn't enjoy beating him as a person more than any other I had to fight with, it just so happened we fought on the track many times. It was a slug fest, and winning those slug fests was a great feeling. I had to lift my game over the past three years, I had to work hard, and more times than not, I came out ahead in the race to race combat.


Race 1 Monza: How on earth, can the type of celebration that the silly Ducati team had, even take place if people have any modesty at all. I can't put into words how bad it looks. Somebody has the race won, and in the last corner he has a technical issue, handing the race to what would have been the first loser and the victory celebration starts. Is there any humility left in people these days. It's pathetic. Just a simple shake of hands, with the realisation that you got away with one would have been in much better taste. But that is obviously not in Tardozzi's make up "the greatest superbike rider in the world" so he proclaimed some 20 years ago anyway.


Tennis almost takes the cake for this topic. the players are tapping them over to each other and one guy hits it long or just makes a simple, no pressure mistake, and from the other end of the court, you here the big C'MON or Yes! I about break the TV when it happens. You are cheering that the other person made a mistake, and an unforced error at that. I remember Pete Sampras suffered at the same hands of some media for years. He is boring, he lacks this, he lacks that. One thing he didnt lack were more grand slams than anyone else. Even after winning a grand slam, he never did anything over the top. He waved, he was emotional, he loved it and knew how great his accomplishment was, but most of all, he was humble. He didn't care to rub their faces in it. He rubbed there faces in it for 3 or 4 hours whilst he was killing them on the court. After the match was the time to be humble and respect his opponent for the effort they put in.


Is it truly necessary that we have these huge celebrations? I'm not sure. I am sure of one thing though. People that keep it within themselves, that celebrate modestly, are few and far between these days. If not being boring means I have to jump around like a clown on cocaine at the end of the race, I'm afraid to say folks, I'm no clown.
 
Mat, why are you (did you) wasting (waste) your talent and inspirational clarity on the small stage?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 13 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...

Povol, I'm a bit confused. I see the thread title, but nowhere any quotes or link. Is this from Mladin's blog? Link please.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Povol, I'm a bit confused. I see the thread title, but nowhere any quotes or link. Is this from Mladin's blog? Link please.

Hell, i didnt write it, just copied and pasted something i came across. I assume its from his blog since he said he stopped blogging a subject because this pissed him off so bad he had to write about it.
I will retrace my steps but i assume its from his blog if you know where that is
 
Mat is a funny guy. He has a weird obsession with personal relationships and he's very conscientious of how he treats other people and how they treat him. He's a very sensitive and thoughtful person for a motorcycle racer.
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I dislike Fabrizio very much, and I think he knows how to make any celebration annoying; however, it was his first win.

No one can ask him to stand on the podium and regretfully accept his trophy.
 
Fabrizio did not dominate the race, however he did win the race. He has every right to celebrate. Especially it being his first win in WSBK. Also to note that Italians are passionate people, many of the fans will identify with Fabrizio's win, this only adds to the fervor of the celebration. Mladin has been winning for so many years he has probably forgotten what his first win felt like. When you dominate as much as Mladin it's probably easy to be critical of others.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 14 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No one can ask him to stand on the podium and regretfully accept his trophy.
As you well know, no one did... and Mat only dumped on Tardozzi... very pinkyesque in your feelings towards Mat, eh?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ May 14 2009, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fabrizio did not dominate the race, however he did win the race. He has every right to celebrate. Especially it being his first win in WSBK. Also to note that Italians are passionate people, many of the fans will identify with Fabrizio's win, this only adds to the fervor of the celebration. Mladin has been winning for so many years he has probably forgotten what his first win felt like. When you dominate as much as Mladin it's probably easy to be critical of others.
Being "passionate" about a gifted first win has more to do with graciousness than nationality.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 13 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hell, i didnt write it, just copied and pasted something i came across. I assume its from his blog since he said he stopped blogging a subject because this pissed him off so bad he had to write about it.
I will retrace my steps but i assume its from his blog if you know where that is

Geez Povol, you come across something so inflammatory and can't remember where you got it from, but had the presence of mind to copy & paste? WTF


Here you go, I did my own search: LINK

His take goes a long way in me taking a second look at Mladin and respecting the man. I agree with his take. Except, what's up with the "tennis" tangent, who the hell gives a flying .... about tennis?

I don't think Fabrizio's celebration was that "huge" (maybe Mladin got a special feed, but I didn't see it on SPEED). It looked like Fabrizio did a few fist pumps and a flag victory lap. (Correct me if I'm wrong). But I would catagorize "huge" celebrations as the production by Rossi and Lorenzo. (Of which I can't stand because it seems so unsportman like, though I have learned to tolerate). I'm not a fan of Fabrizio, since that ........ comment he made about being impressed more with the Yamaha rather than rookie Spies schooling him (and the field) every race. So I don't mind Mladin shitting on his win celebration. But its a win and its racing and that .... happens (which Mladin made clear he understands) but just not the production celebration.

I like his blog, but it begs the question, why did you stay in the AMA? Its a bit like staying in the minors when all the best players are in the big leagues then pointing to them and saying, you guys are acting like kids. (Not completely the same thing, but not going to the world stage is something I just can't get over). However, Mladin has grown on me alot over this season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 13 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As you well know, no one did... and Mat only dumped on Tardozzi... very pinkyesque in your feelings towards Mat, eh?
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I didn't say Mat was a no talent ...-clown who needed to be demoted to WERA
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I said the way he views himself and the way he views other people cracks me up. He has a strange obsession with human behavior and people's feelings.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like his blog, but it begs the question, why did you stay in the AMA? Its a bit like staying in the minors when all the best players are in the big leagues then pointing to them and saying, you guys are acting like kids. (Not completely the same thing, but not going to the world stage is something I just can't get over). However, Mladin has grown on me alot over this season.

The AMA is the big leagues
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I got pissed to see Fabrezio wave to Spies as he passed him that one time...it was at that point that I wanted to see him hit the kitty litter...especially when he was passed a short while later with no answer...I wanted anyone but him to win..

Friggin .........

And I'm not really much of a Spies fan I just thought it lacked class
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Fabrizio's celebration was that "huge" (maybe Mladin got a special feed, but I didn't see it on SPEED). It looked like Fabrizio did a few fist pumps and a flag victory lap. (Correct me if I'm wrong). But I would catagorize "huge" celebrations as the production by Rossi and Lorenzo. (Of which I can't stand because it seems so unsportman like, though I have learned to tolerate).I really hate the Rossi/Lorenzo preplanned stuff too. Disrespectful to the rest of the field plan that sort of crap, imo. I shared a lot of Mat's sentiment when I was watching the race. It wasn't the extent of the celebration that got to me, for the most part. Fist pumps and a victory lap are a nice, classy celebration, in general. What rubbed me the wrong way was the headbanging right as he exited the final corner and maybe some of the gesticulating. Just felt a bit too soon - at that point you're celebrating someone else's misfortune rather than your own triumph, in my opinion, and misfortune that you didn't really provoke by pushing him to the limit or anything like that. Yes, that's racing and for every winner there's a field of losers, but if you win on someone else's breakdown wait a few seconds to celebrate. It didn't bug me so much that I felt obligated to write a big long blog post on the subject, but it did irritate me (no doubt partly because I was pulling for Spies).<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like his blog, but it begs the question, why did you stay in the AMA? Its a bit like staying in the minors when all the best players are in the big leagues then pointing to them and saying, you guys are acting like kids. (Not completely the same thing, but not going to the world stage is something I just can't get over). However, Mladin has grown on me alot over this season.
Maybe we'll be lucky and the great AMA ...... will get him overseas for a couple of years on decent equipment before he retires. Wasn't as much of a fan of his before, but he's really come out with a lot of well-thought and detailed critique of the current situation. I enjoy reading what he has to say.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Geez Povol, you come across something so inflammatory and can't remember where you got it from, but had the presence of mind to copy & paste? WTF


Here you go, I did my own search: LINK

His take goes a long way in me taking a second look at Mladin and respecting the man. I agree with his take. Except, what's up with the "tennis" tangent, who the hell gives a flying .... about tennis?

I don't think Fabrizio's celebration was that "huge" (maybe Mladin got a special feed, but I didn't see it on SPEED). It looked like Fabrizio did a few fist pumps and a flag victory lap. (Correct me if I'm wrong). But I would catagorize "huge" celebrations as the production by Rossi and Lorenzo. (Of which I can't stand because it seems so unsportman like, though I have learned to tolerate). I'm not a fan of Fabrizio, since that ........ comment he made about being impressed more with the Yamaha rather than rookie Spies schooling him (and the field) every race. So I don't mind Mladin shitting on his win celebration. But its a win and its racing and that .... happens (which Mladin made clear he understands) but just not the production celebration.

I like his blog, but it begs the question, why did you stay in the AMA? Its a bit like staying in the minors when all the best players are in the big leagues then pointing to them and saying, you guys are acting like kids. (Not completely the same thing, but not going to the world stage is something I just can't get over). However, Mladin has grown on me alot over this season.

Man, i visit probably 20 different bike forums in a one hour period on a daily basis.At my age i cant remeber where i .... last
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My son and i went riding one day and when we got home, i pulled up to the garage door,flipped up the cover on the key pad and drew a complete blank. My son was behind me, waiting for me to open the door and after about 30 seconds,he hollers, What the .... are you doing.
I looked back at him and said, i forgot the code. He laughs and says,its our address you ........ I tell him, i know that, i cant remember the ....... address.
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Now i have to change the code after telling that story because everyone knows my address is my code.I might never get in my house again.
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Most sports offer the opportunity to be able to celebrate many times throughout
the course of the competition. The difference in racing is that there is only one time
when that is possible. What bothers most fans is the over the top celebrations
during games on singular plays that often have little bearing on the outcome.
Rarely do you hear complaints about celebrations after victory has occured.
One of the reasons why I love this sport is because you have to go for 45 minutes
flat out. The mental focus and physicality for that amount of time is astounding.
You are offered no reprieve, no time to relax and certainly no time for celebration.
When it is over, the burst of adrenalin and emotion must be overwhelming.
I don't think you can find many people that would find Fabrizio's actions in any way
offensive but this is Mladin so I'm not surprised
Apparently in Mladins mind the mechanical aspect of racing should not be a
componet of victory. Maybe it's because he's been in the AMA so long and does not
realize that in WSBK and MotoGp that the constructors trophey is highly coveted.
Just like in any sport you must play the entire game until the very last minute.
If you can't finish than one or more of the componets of your play has failed.
The Yamaha was unable to sustain the required amount of laps to finish. Noone
was handed a victory. Are you trying to tell me that all the hard work by Fabrizio
meant nothing? He put himself in a position to win and in the end he, his bike
and his mechanics were victorious.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 13 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what's up with the "tennis" tangent, who the hell gives a flying .... about tennis?

Nobody does.
Remember when people actually did?
I do. First was during MacEnroe's years and then in the early days of Agassi's career.
These guys did actually celebrate and their personalities rose above the game and people
actually wanted to watch that ridiculous sport
 
I don't see nothing wrong with Ducati's celebration.... heck why not? Yeah it was unfortunate for Ben Spies that his bike ran out of fuel, but so what? .... happens in racing all the time, it's just part of racing... you take wins however it comes. Now if Fabrizio was to deliberately run Ben Spies off the track and was celebrating his victory...that would be a different story.

I got to say though, I'm starting to like Fabrizio more ever since he made that pass on Ben Spies and gave him a wave...hahaha.
 
I do somewhat agree with what Mat felt and happened in F1 last year when Massa was overjoyed punching his hands winning the race as a result of Kimmi and Lewis cars mechanical failure in the penultimate lap. No doubt Ducati team worked hard and deserved it. But it was a disgusting to see Massa punching his arms into the air...

When Max Biaggi happened to bag third place in Hungry Moto Gp in recent year he said during the interview "well Gibernau is having some sort of mechanical problems and thank to the team for the hard works and supports, I able to be on the podium today". Rossi won that race when Gibber bike ran out of fuel.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ May 13 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most sports offer the opportunity to be able to celebrate many times throughout
the course of the competition. The difference in racing is that there is only one time
when that is possible. What bothers most fans is the over the top celebrations
during games on singular plays that often have little bearing on the outcome.
Rarely do you hear complaints about celebrations after victory has occured.
One of the reasons why I love this sport is because you have to go for 45 minutes
flat out. The mental focus and physicality for that amount of time is astounding.
You are offered no reprieve, no time to relax and certainly no time for celebration.
When it is over, the burst of adrenalin and emotion must be overwhelming.
I don't think you can find many people that would find Fabrizio's actions in any way
offensive but this is Mladin so I'm not surprised
Apparently in Mladins mind the mechanical aspect of racing should not be a
componet of victory. Maybe it's because he's been in the AMA so long and does not
realize that in WSBK and MotoGp that the constructors trophey is highly coveted.
Just like in any sport you must play the entire game until the very last minute.
If you can't finish than one or more of the componets of your play has failed.
The Yamaha was unable to sustain the required amount of laps to finish. Noone
was handed a victory. Are you trying to tell me that all the hard work by Fabrizio
meant nothing? He put himself in a position to win and in the end he, his bike
and his mechanics were victorious.

.... Johnny, that is an excellent post.

Just when I was starting to have Mladin grow on me, you 'knockhimdown'.
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I see your point about celebrating a victory at the end of a very focused race. I may also add, winning a "world" event may be more worth than winning a minor league even when you are clearly a major leaguer, eh.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 14 2009, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man, i visit probably 20 different bike forums in a one hour period on a daily basis.At my age i cant remeber where i .... last
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My son and i went riding one day and when we got home, i pulled up to the garage door,flipped up the cover on the key pad and drew a complete blank. My son was behind me, waiting for me to open the door and after about 30 seconds,he hollers, What the .... are you doing.
I looked back at him and said, i forgot the code. He laughs and says,its our address you ........ I tell him, i know that, i cant remember the ....... address.
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Now i have to change the code after telling that story because everyone knows my address is my code.I might never get in my house again.
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