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BBC Sport in Madonna Di Campiglio

Nicky Hayden
Hayden failed to give the cameras the pictures they wanted
Nicky Hayden made his first appearance in Ducati colours at the team's annual launch in Madonna Di Campiglio and also took to the ski slopes for the first time since a run on fake snow as a 13-year-old.

Imagining that the Kentucky Kid would find adapting to the snow even trickier than he's found the Desmosedici in testing so far, we thought we'd film a clever link for our season-opening show as he took to the piste for the first time.

Typically, and somewhat irritatingly, he took to it like a seasoned pro and disappeared out of sight within seconds of our first take - not to be seen again for the rest of the descent.

Thankfully Nicky made us all feel better and showed he was human when turning a snowmobile on its side as he and Casey Stoner arrived at the presentation of the new bike.
Nicky Hayden and Barack Obama
Can we tell the difference? Yes we can...

He took it in good humour, shouting, "You're on your own Casey!" as he flapped around in the deep powder.

Nicky was in great spirits all week, refusing to 'talk smack' about his old team Honda but gamely comparing himself to Barack Obama when asked about the new US President in Tuesday's press conference.

"I guess we're both in the same boat because we've both done a lot of talking recently but soon it will be time to back it up with results."

Another Ducati rider was having fun in the snow this week, with MotoGP rookie Mika Kallio inviting members of his new Pramac team to Finland to go rally driving with him and former WRC driver Harri Rovanpera.

However, with the credit crunch hitting the satellite team hard after the withdrawal of major sponsor Alice, it seems the Finn may be flying somewhere else before the start of the season.

There are strong rumours of a move to Ducati's other private team, Onde 2000, as partner to Sete Gibernau with Niccolo Canepa remaining as the sole rider at Pramac.


The biggest withdrawal from the series this winter has, of course, been Kawasaki but do not be surprised if the Japanese bikes line up on the grid at Losail.

The factory are testing their 2009 bike with Olivier Jacque at Eastern Creek and have another session lined up for Phillip Island next week.

Assuming the bike runs well, the likelihood is that former factory team boss Michael Bartholemy will run a privateer outfit with involvement from Jorge Martinez.

Marco Melandri and Alex Debon look set to be the riders after Monster withdrew their support,
although the energy drink's main MotoGP interest John Hopkins still has a contract with Kawasaki until the end of the season.

There has been no expense spared on Ducati's new machine, the Desmosedici GP9, which was unveiled at Madonna this week and features a new carbon frame, with the upper part of the engine now linked up to the steering block with the ultra-light yet stiff material.

The other main change to the bike from 2008 is a flatter torque curve, designed to make it more driveable on corner exit - the area Casey and Nicky agree needed most work.

The bike was designed before the credit crisis took hold but Ducati Corse CEO Claudio Domenicali insisted that modifications are already being planned to make their MotoGP project more cost effective.

With engine wear the main cost in the sport, the plan is to put limitations on usage by 2010, with Domenicali revealing that the factories are looking to double current engine life, which in Ducati's case is roughly between 600 and 800km.

Whilst it is too late to make such modifications to this year's engines, a compromise for this coming season is being discussed with the other manufacturers and authorities.

This could well see a reduction in the length of free practice sessions.


The usual doom-mongers are predictably forecasting a dim future for the sport but the reality is that MotoGP remains in good health.

As with the rest of the world's economy we've been here before and, eventually, we will come through it.

The engine proposals and the single tyre rule are steps towards economic reform in the sport and they should even make the racing closer, despite those pessimists claiming it will make things boring.

Casey Stoner put it most succinctly this week: "These people talk about how great racing was in the old days but I've seen those days… and they're just like these days."

Roll on 2009!

BBC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 17 2009, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The usual doom-mongers are predictably forecasting a dim future for the sport but the reality is that MotoGP remains in good health.

As with the rest of the world's economy we've been here before and, eventually, we will come through it.

The engine proposals and the single tyre rule are steps towards economic reform in the sport and they should even make the racing closer, despite those pessimists claiming it will make things boring.

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Doom-mongers.

I'm sorry but unlike F1, MotoGP has stiff competition from another series.

WSBK has vastly increased the size of its grid. WSBK will be featuring new talent from the United States and Britain, as well as new factory teams from Italy and Germany.

They've also managed to poach Simoncelli from his 250 gig for the first couple races of the season, and there are rumors circulating that Valentino wants to jump into the series to do battle with Bayliss.

Hayden @ Ducati and Dovi @ Repsol Honda is a pretty weak story line in comparison. The MSMA killed low-end and midrange power while quadrupling the cost of running a team.

Hey everyone 36 guys are going to rub fairings on 1 liter 230hp bikes
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Hey everyone 15 guys are going to make a few passes and ride around in circles for an hour, but it's going to be more fun to watch because they are about 1 second faster and they only use 800cc.
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The engineers have hijacked our sport. Ezy ain't helping. If Dorna doesn't put someone in charge who knows what the hell is going on, GP will be a distant memory.

GP is healthy, my .... 1/2 the grid has disappeared in only 5 years.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 17 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey Stoner put it most succinctly this week: "These people talk about how great racing was in the old days but I've seen those days… and they're just like these days."
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I suppose he has got to say that hasn't he.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 18 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey Stoner put it most succinctly this week: "These people talk about how great racing was in the old days but I've seen those days… and they're just like these days."
No they ain't Casey, could be again... but definitely ain't right now.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Jan 20 2009, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No they ain't Casey, could be again... but definitely ain't right now.
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You could argue that the Doohan domination of the mid/late 90's was pretty boring. I wasn't bored, but I know a few people who didn't like Doohan were. Criville probably got a bit bored of it as well - losing that is
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 17 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Doom-mongers.

I'm sorry but unlike F1, MotoGP has stiff competition from another series.

WSBK has vastly increased the size of its grid. WSBK will be featuring new talent from the United States and Britain, as well as new factory teams from Italy and Germany.

They've also managed to poach Simoncelli from his 250 gig for the first couple races of the season, and there are rumors circulating that Valentino wants to jump into the series to do battle with Bayliss.

Hayden @ Ducati and Dovi @ Repsol Honda is a pretty weak story line in comparison. The MSMA killed low-end and midrange power while quadrupling the cost of running a team.

Hey everyone 36 guys are going to rub fairings on 1 liter 230hp bikes
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Hey everyone 15 guys are going to make a few passes and ride around in circles for an hour, but it's going to be more fun to watch because they are about 1 second faster and they only use 800cc.
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The engineers have hijacked our sport. Ezy ain't helping. If Dorna doesn't put someone in charge who knows what the hell is going on, GP will be a distant memory.

GP is healthy, my .... 1/2 the grid has disappeared in only 5 years.

please....
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half the grid. 21 riders down to 19 or 17. 230hp superbikes... your dropin to much acid man.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 19 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>please....
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half the grid. 21 riders down to 19 or 17. 230hp superbikes... your dropin to much acid man.

How big was the grid in 2003? Now?

I'm not sure about sbk power. They go significantly slower in a straightline, but they are not as slippery as GP bikes.
 
The thing that separates MotoGP from the WSBK is exactly that it is dominated by engineering.

NewsFLASH! MotoGP is a geek series! If you are not into the design of the machines you are missing half the action.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 20 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing that separates MotoGP from the WSBK is exactly that it is dominated by engineering.

NewsFLASH! MotoGP is a geek series! If you are not into the design of the machines you are missing half the action.

Exactly
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 20 2009, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing that separates MotoGP from the WSBK is exactly that it is dominated by engineering.

NewsFLASH! MotoGP is a geek series! If you are not into the design of the machines you are missing half the action.

There is nothing so amazing as watching teams run the exact same equipment. All engines are 800cc, all engines are 4 cylinder, only 2 engine configs (V or I), all use the traditional front fork, all use a standard 6 speed manual gear box, all the tires are the same, and all of them are going broke.

Yes, this is an engineer's wet dream.

I've never been more enthralled by the variance of equipment as I am now.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 21 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is nothing so amazing as watching teams run the exact same equipment. All engines are 800cc, all engines are 4 cylinder, only 2 engine configs (V or I), all use the traditional front fork, all use a standard 6 speed manual gear box, all the tires are the same, and all of them are going broke.

Yes, this is an engineer's wet dream.

I've never been more enthralled by the variance of equipment as I am now.
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Well we might not be seeing the innovation once seen in the past of 2 and 4 wheeled GP racing, but the innovations in F1 are mostly secret and difficult to see, or only interesting to the most dedicated fans (like aero). The engineering race at the beggining of the 4 stroke era was marginally better than now because the factories each had to find their feet, and because Honda rolled out a gem. Without their V5, the 990cc era was about as diverse as now barring a few short term, unsuccessful alternatives. Considering the state of world motorsport as a whole motogp is great for tech fans
 
When you design something for a fixed set of variables you will eventually arrive at a formula that solves the problem successfully. In MotoGP all the teams are working on the same design problem and over time all their design solutions will converge toward the most successful model. They are finding the best solutions in the wind tunnel, chassis and engine configuration. Over time, given a stable rule set, the bikes will become very similar even if (and maybe soley because) it is a prototype series. That is why I always say just to give it time and leave the rule set alone. A constantly changing rule set is the biggest cost factor for a race team. Once they have their successful model developed and the only cost is incremental refinement cost stabilization will happen. .... with the rules constantly to satisfy some irrational marketing formula and you are never going to rein in the cost of running a team. This will kill the sport faster than leaving it alone, marketing it for what it is, and let the fan base stabilize to a constant. Trying to grow the fan base at too fast a rate or keep it at a level that is unnatural is guaranteeing failure in my eyes. The sport is what is important. Making huge amounts of money from it isn't. The biggest challenge for MotoGP is to be patient.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 22 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you design something for a fixed set of variables you will eventually arrive at a formula that solves the problem successfully. In MotoGP all the teams are working on the same design problem and over time all their design solutions will converge toward the most successful model.

Sooo, do you think that Ducati will ditch their desmo and eventually go to pneumatic valves or the rest of the teams are working frantically on their desmo design? And there is always a longshot at the screamer
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 22 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trying to grow the fan base at too fast a rate or keep it at a level that is unnatural is guaranteeing failure in my eyes. The sport is what is important. Making huge amounts of money from it isn't. The biggest challenge for MotoGP is to be patient.

They can't leave the sport alone b/c it is fundamentally flawed and nearly incapable of providing any utility for the parties involved.

1.TV viewership is down, so the rights holders are screwed (Bridgepoint).
2. DORNA is making less money as well b/c the sport is worth less and subsidies are rising.
3. The manufacturers are spending increasingly more to advertise to an increasingly smaller audience.
4. The racing sucks so fans are cranky.
5. Manufacturers are dropping out due to the competitive environment (the recession has only hastened their decision).

Leave it alone for 5 minutes is a good policy when series' problems are caused by factors other than the rules. Currently, the rules are the problem, the recession is making it worse.

Furthermore, all rules packages do not necessarily lead to the production of identical machines. Rules packages lead to the creation of identical machines when restrictions on design structure necessitate the creation of a single solution.

If the rules allowed teams to produce what they needed in a more relaxed fashion, there is a plethora of evidence to suggest they would actually differentiate their equipment for marketing and branding purposes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 22 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you design something for a fixed set of variables you will eventually arrive at a formula that solves the problem successfully. In MotoGP all the teams are working on the same design problem and over time all their design solutions will converge toward the most successful model. They are finding the best solutions in the wind tunnel, chassis and engine configuration. Over time, given a stable rule set, the bikes will become very similar even if (and maybe soley because) it is a prototype series. That is why I always say just to give it time and leave the rule set alone. A constantly changing rule set is the biggest cost factor for a race team. Once they have their successful model developed and the only cost is incremental refinement cost stabilization will happen. .... with the rules constantly to satisfy some irrational marketing formula and you are never going to rein in the cost of running a team. This will kill the sport faster than leaving it alone, marketing it for what it is, and let the fan base stabilize to a constant. Trying to grow the fan base at too fast a rate or keep it at a level that is unnatural is guaranteeing failure in my eyes. The sport is what is important. Making huge amounts of money from it isn't. The biggest challenge for MotoGP is to be patient.
Me think so too.
I think a big reason that the racing 2006 was so much closer is that they've had time to develope,with little or no rulechanges from 2003.Ofcourse there may have been other reasons too.The 990's allowed more than one (bigger variety)ridingstyle.Apparently the difference between the best manufacturer and the worst wasn't as big as now.With everyone on the same tires the developement will probarbly force everyone to home in on just about one optimal chassi set up to go with the tires.More so than with more than one tiresupplier.In other words,if the rules don't change too much except cost cutting,shorter free practice sessions or what ever,it should get closer in a few years again.I HOPE.
 
Pretty sure I read somewhere last week that it was Mika on his own at Pramac and Sete and Canepa together at Onde.But then it was printed in MCN I now recall so it could be the usual nonsense.
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