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In terms of bike issues, I'd say Mugello was the only one that was more of a 'no front end feel Ducati 2010' crash, the other two were just blatant rider fuckups...
 
Well Kesh said it was just a motomatter of Marc using up too much tire to make up for his brainfart qualifing (which is plausible on its face), or in other words .... all to do with an RCV deficiency. But lets not answer the questions for him, I'm still hoping he will put in an effort on a detailed reply explaining how each or any crash "perfectly illustrated " the RCV decline.
 
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HEISMAN said:
And now Pedrosa is using a different chassis to that of Marquez.



MotoGP News - MotoGP Catalunya: Marquez tempted by 2014 chassis switch
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Heisman, I'm sure you're aware Pedro has often preferred a different frame than his teammates. Hardly a silver bullet to support the RCV has become deficient. (If that's your point). Though I'm sure Kropo (who laughably used Crutchlow, Bautista, and Pedro to make some absurd corollary to Marc Marquez) will point it out as proof positive that the RCV is to blame.

Also, lets not lose site that changing frames after testing is part of the garden variety development that takes place throughout the season. Its done every season, agree?

Though I'm sure Kropo will point to this as exhibit MM: smoking gun to prove the RCV is unridable.
 
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I agree, but for me, that just means that further comparisons between Pedro's and MM's bike will prove to be be invalid when it pertains to handling. Therefore the sample set has further decreased.
 
I'm still surprised everyone didn't take Crutchlow to task admitting he rode with limited visibility putting himself and others at risk, especially the pundits who are distracted fabricating apologies for Marquez. But while on the subject of admissions, here is another amazing revelation--destined to be ignored most likely. Read below Marquez admitted "his mistakes" in riding. Or in other words, exactly what a few sane people have been saying about his crashing incidents.

In reference to discussing the chassis:

“I can do more mistakes and then with the new one it is like you need to be really precise. You cannot do any mistakes like Sunday.

“With this one it is more like 2013, 2014 [bike]. You can do more mistakes. Try to avoid what happened Sunday, but it is early to say because I did not many laps.”

So let's recap: he admits his crash in Catalunya was a MISTAKE! Despite all the spin by pundits and spectators echoing this absurd ........, there it is in black and white from the horse's mouth. He also elaborated that "the problem is" (and a problem for everyone else near him on the track) he can't make as many mistake (as I guess he would like to) or in other words, get away with commiting as many mistakes--this IS THE PROBLEM! (A "PROBLEM", only in Marc' & Kropo's world can this be described as a "problem", i guess this makes sense in some alternative universe).

Who has been saying the crashes were simply rider mistakes and not any of these complex and convoluted explanations? Oh yeah, the sane people.

Who has been saying he isn't getting away with the knife's edge mistakes he got away with previous seasons? Oh yeah, the sane people.
 
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In a complex system, it is a rarity that one factor alone is responsible for change. It is much more common that a number of small variances produce a noticeable change.
 
Jumkie said:
Who has been saying he isn't getting away with the knife's edge mistakes he got away with previous seasons?
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Uhm... I think the answer is everyone!! The discussion has been around the idea of WHY he isn't getting away with them.
 
Mick D said:
Uhm... I think the answer is everyone!! The discussion has been around the idea of WHY he isn't getting away with them.
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Disagree. Sounds like many people are echoing the pundits (which correct me if I'm wrong, includes you) who are decidedly saying these are not Marquez "mistakes " but rather indicative of machine deficiency, specifically some adverse engine characteristics, to account for the anomaly of crashing and or not wining as is supposed to be normal.
 
In the latest edition of rate my bike the Honda has fallen again to 7th, as in 7th is highest place Marc could manage on it without taking the kind of risks he has so far causing him to crash. The logic is the Yamaha is the best at finding grip on corner exit, the Ducati is good on the brakes and has the top speed, and now the Suzuki has the best corner speed. So I guess the Honda is best at nothing therefore trails the two Yams, the Ducs, and now the Suzi's, meaning best it will finish is 7th. Looking forward to seeing the next race and following analysis to find out where the Honda ends up, by end of season we might need to reclassify it as a CRT, add an extra podium slot for them.

I do sometimes wonder if Krops is taking the piss and laughing at us as he writes these things. But he appears deadly serious in the comments section when the few peeps who dare challenge the logic. I would love to hear some of the riders views on this, I know Lorenzo comes up with some amusing comments at times and I think he was asked about the Honda troubles and replied he hopes they never fix it. I wonder what some some of the "lesser" riders think as they see the all the new frames and exhaust's and computer chips piling up outside the Honda garage as Marc throws them out unceremoniously one after the other? Anyway fantastic stuff, this is proving one of the more memorable seasons if not for the close racing then for the Great Honda Debate.
 
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Jumkie said:
Disagree. Sounds like many people are echoing the pundits (which correct me if I'm wrong, includes you) who are decidedly saying these are not Marquez "mistakes " but rather indicative of machine deficiency, specifically some adverse engine characteristics, to account for the anomaly of crashing and or not wining as is supposed to be normal.
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I've been pretty clear in stating that the tyres, the bike and MM are all contributing factors... but don't let that spoil the narrative!!
 
birdman said:
In the latest edition of rate my bike the Honda has fallen again to 7th, as in 7th is highest place Marc could manage on it without taking the kind of risks he has so far causing him to crash. The logic is the Yamaha is the best at finding grip on corner exit, the Ducati is good on the brakes and has the top speed, and now the Suzuki has the best corner speed. So I guess the Honda is best at nothing therefore trails the two Yams, the Ducs, and now the Suzi's, meaning best it will finish is 7th. Looking forward to seeing the next race and following analysis to find out where the Honda ends up, by end of season we might need to reclassify it as a CRT, add an extra podium slot for them.

I do sometimes wonder if Krops is taking the piss and laughing at us as he writes these things. But he appears deadly serious in the comments section when the few peeps who dare challenge the logic. I would love to hear some of the riders views on this, I know Lorenzo comes up with some amusing comments at times and I think he was asked about the Honda troubles and replied he hopes they never fix it. I wonder what some some of the "lesser" riders think as they see the all the new frames and exhaust's and computer chips piling up outside the Honda garage as Marc throws them out unceremoniously one after the other? Anyway fantastic stuff, this is proving one of the more memorable seasons if not for the close racing then for the Great Honda Debate.
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The voice of reason.
 
Jumkie said:
A Geonerd? (Insider joke)

Its better than a Krackpot talking.
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Very funny. :p

Here I was, reading this cool thread after having stumbled upon a long-lost bookmark. It's good to see you and Kesh and Arrab and the others chatting and hashing things out as before. Think I'll stick around and maybe get back into the MotoGP thing again.
 
Geonerd said:
Very funny. [emoji14]

Here I was, reading this cool thread after having stumbled upon a long-lost bookmark. It's good to see you and Kesh and Arrab and the others chatting and hashing things out as before. Think I'll stick around and maybe get back into the MotoGP thing again.
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Holy ....! What's happening around here? I was just making a post listing about 25 members that needed to come back before this place would regain it resurrection, you were on that list. Ok so now we need the other 24.
 
Jumkie said:
Holy ....! What's happening around here? I was just making a post listing about 25 members that needed to come back before this place would regain it resurrection, you were on that list. Ok so now we need the other 24.
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Mdubstylie
 
Wasn't it just 2 months ago that we were being told the Honda was really the best with trap speed, corner entry, and braking? Now the engine sucks and has inconsistent power delivery, and it doesn't handle anymore.

The brakes have been outsourced to Jiangsu PowerLotus Friction Material Co. , Ltd apparently (yes that's a real company) and rebadged with Brembo logos, the engine has too light of a flywheel and the power delivery is all messed up because of Casey Stoner. The chassis...well sucks.

This might be the most remarkable turnaround in a motorcycle I have ever seen.

In 2 months it goes from being a contender to a pile of .... with horseshit electronics. I've never seen anything like this in my life.

Yet ALMOST no one questions the guy who is riding the bike, who crashes out of multiple races, while his teammate when healthy has managed to finish races on the same "UNRIDEABLE" bike?
 
Geonerd said:
Very funny. :p

Here I was, reading this cool thread after having stumbled upon a long-lost bookmark. It's good to see you and Kesh and Arrab and the others chatting and hashing things out as before. Think I'll stick around and maybe get back into the MotoGP thing again.
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