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I always felt Rossi was lucky as .... in Argentina that he didn't go down along with MM during that moron move.

That said, MM is 22, but as a double world champion...and a double in his first two premier class seasons doesn't afford him that excuse. Sorry, if you've got the stuff to be able to win the title in your first two seasons at that level, then you surely are good enough to understand just what it is you do out there that puts others at risk.

The MM love affair clouds judgment. I made the very point elsewhere on the internet that were it Simoncelli instead of MM doing the move on Rossi in Argentina, I'm sure there would have been a multi-race ban...to say nothing of the pundits writing their think-pieces about how Simoncelli has personality flaws of the sort that would have seen him easily co-opted into being the right-hand man of Il Duce in another era. One enterprising poster assured me that MM rides with passion, and that it is with this in mind, that one can easily forgive his daring maneuvers on the track.

So there you have it, one man's daring is another man's unsafe riding.

Frankly MM should have been given a single race ban for that move on Rossi, and I'm not even a Rossi fan saying this. It's only because he took himself out that it was deemed a "non-issue" instead it being looked at for what it really was; a dangerous move that could have seriously injured the other rider.

But Dorna being Dorna probably was hoping for another clash at Jerez, so no need to take action.

In spite of his age, he's been racing for awhile, and it's not like dangerous riding is something that one can only truly comprehend once a rider hits their mid to late 20s. If he can't comprehend it now, then I'd say that's less to age, and more to do with him being an absolute moron. Why do I say that? Because when I factor in his blatant inability to know the virtue of riding to points finishes is far greater than crashing out of multiple races because he thinks he can challenge for a win on a motorcycle not up to the task.

I know it's unlikely for a plethora of reasons, but that's the biggest reason I'd love to see Stoner on the other RCV instead of Pedrosa simply because MM would do well to be put in his place by a teammate, and Dani isn't up for that task.
 
I know it's unlikely for a plethora of reasons, but that's the biggest reason I'd love to see Stoner on the other RCV instead of Pedrosa simply because MM would do well to be put in his place by a teammate, and Dani isn't up for that task.

here we go again with the stoner .......

as much as you guys wanna .... the .... out of stoner & want to suck his .... while he sits on the RCV...it'll unlikely happen. but it would be surprising.

and now there are 2 threads about how MM has ...... up & what the .... happened & lets put stoner on the bike & wahh wahh wahh.

let's see how the ....... season pans out, i def foresee this being a season that MM learns a lot about himself.

remember when VR went to ducati...AND ....... SUCKED. it was a learning experience & to me personally...i think he ....... grew a lot from that whole experience.

yes MM actions are inexcusable but get over it. boppers will suck his .... no matter what & say the bike is wrong & everything else is wrong.
 
oh and everyone picks on dani! BUT YET HE COMES BACK FROM HAVING SURGERY AND STILL IS IN THE TOP 10. he's a good rider & deserves to be on a factory bike!
 
Good stuff gentz.

Sparrow, this is Powerslide, the thread topics matter ..... Anyway, about Pedro, I was cheering for him actually, and is an absolute rarity for me. He did manage to finish in 4th and not bin that piece of .... Honda RCV that is now the worst factory bike in MotoGP (and apparently was a POS last year too).

Lotus, what happened to that cumulative point system? So I'm assuming Marquez didn't get chalked up any point for torpedoing Rossi? I haven't heard anything about it. Granted I haven't read much either.

And just a side note, MurderMac would have at least 30+ points more had he taken the places for his machine on the day. 2nd at Argentina (20 pts, hell even Cuntslow--the tire failed me, finished on the podium on the POS RCV) and 4th or 5th at Mugello.
 
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oh and everyone picks on dani! BUT YET HE COMES BACK FROM HAVING SURGERY AND STILL IS IN THE TOP 10. he's a good rider & deserves to be on a factory bike!

We still remember 2006, when he tried to stop his teammate from winning the title.

Stoner is a preternatural talent. Everyone hated him in the beginning, just like they hate all the young whiny punks, but when reports started circulating about his talents on a motorcycle, and those reports were verified by the failure of anyone else to ride the Ducati, many fans converted to Stonerism.

Someday a loathsome little turd will stride onto the grid with his shades on and his chest out, and we'll all secretly start rooting for Marquez, even though he's the worst human who ever lived.

Lorenzo is the only rider who I appreciated almost right away, which is strange because he was an arrogant 250cc rat without equal.
 
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We still remember 2006, when he tried to stop his teammate from winning the title.

Stoner is a preternatural talent. Everyone hated him in the beginning, just like they hate all the young whiny punks, but when reports started circulating about his talents on a motorcycle, and those reports were verified by the failure of anyone else to ride the Ducati, many fans converted to Stonerism.

Someday a loathsome little turd will stride onto the grid with his shades on and his chest out, and we'll all secretly starting rooting for Marquez, even though he's the worst human who ever lived.

Lorenzo is the only rider who I appreciated almost right away, which is strange because he was an arrogant 250cc rat without equal.

Hilarious stuff man! Hahaha.

Hilarious but true. I didn't like Lornezo in 250s either, then he grew on me quickly.

Sparrow, it wasn't just Pedro committing the unforgivable act of attempted murder at thee most ...... up moment to do it, but he and his mentor continued to try and .... Hayden out of a career.


"the worst human who ever lived." Lex! Hahahahaha, dude, I can't stop laughing. Good stuff.
 
Fabio Quartararo?

Is he the latest Rossi/Marquez heir apparent?

Let me see: Vinalez, then Fenati, now Quartararo?


Either way, I've enjoyed the two races I've seen of Moto3 this year. I hadn't seen any of them until last week when a buddy told me they were good. Qatar was sensational and so was Mugello. I have all of them in between to watch now. If only I had the time. I've been stuck on this forum ....... around with you.
 
We still remember 2006, when he tried to stop his teammate from winning the title.

Stoner is a preternatural talent. Everyone hated him in the beginning, just like they hate all the young whiny punks, but when reports started circulating about his talents on a motorcycle, and those reports were verified by the failure of anyone else to ride the Ducati, many fans converted to Stonerism.

Someday a loathsome little turd will stride onto the grid with his shades on and his chest out, and we'll all secretly starting rooting for Marquez, even though he's the worst human who ever lived.

Lorenzo is the only rider who I appreciated almost right away, which is strange because he was an arrogant 250cc rat without equal.

+1
Haha great stuff Lex. I completely concur on the JLO comment.

Worst human who ever lived haha
 
here we go again with the stoner .......

as much as you guys wanna .... the .... out of stoner & want to suck his .... while he sits on the RCV...it'll unlikely happen. but it would be surprising.

and now there are 2 threads about how MM has ...... up & what the .... happened & lets put stoner on the bike & wahh wahh wahh.

let's see how the ....... season pans out, i def foresee this being a season that MM learns a lot about himself.

remember when VR went to ducati...AND ....... SUCKED. it was a learning experience & to me personally...i think he ....... grew a lot from that whole experience.

yes MM actions are inexcusable but get over it. boppers will suck his .... no matter what & say the bike is wrong & everything else is wrong.

I think you want an invite to watch said .... sucking/........

My only requisite is you have to take part, and we have to live stream it with Dorna's help back to this forum.

Sound good?
 
Good stuff gentz.

Sparrow, this is Powerslide, the thread topics matter ..... Anyway, about Pedro, I was cheering for him actually, and is an absolute rarity for me. He did manage to finish in 4th and not bin that piece of .... Honda RCV that is now the worst factory bike in MotoGP (and apparently was a POS last year too).

Lotus, what happened to that cumulative point system? So I'm assuming Marquez didn't get chalked up any point for torpedoing Rossi? I haven't heard anything about it. Granted I haven't read much either.

And just a side note, MurderMac would have at least 30+ points more had he taken the places for his machine on the day. 2nd at Argentina (20 pts, hell even Cuntslow--the tire failed me, finished on the podium on the POS RCV) and 4th or 5th at Mugello.

I haven't seen anything about it.

Everyone seemed to take a case closed approach since he basically crashed out, and that seemed to be punishment enough...or punishment enough if you are one of MurderMac's groupies. If there was anything with that points thing, that had to be the most hush-hush job I've ever seen.

The last bit about how many points he would have now is exactly what my other problem is. Yeah not winning sucks, I get that when it comes to those ego-maniacs.

However the man in the middle of the picture won 4 world championships, and could have won as many as 8 because of his approach to collecting points.

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Right now JLO is being assumed to be the winner of the title now since he looks back in form, but what happens if suddenly Dovi starts winning races on the Desmosedici and starts keeping JLO from going anywhere? MurderMac could keep collecting points, and somehow find himself with a chance to win the title by sheer virtue of using that thing in between his ears.

The season can be so unpredictable that I see little reason to throwaway points for no good reason. Yeah it sucks to not win a race, but it sucks even more to not finish one.
 
Also sparrow, the only thing VR learned was Dorna can't help you out when your bike is a pile of .....
 
We still remember 2006, when he tried to stop his teammate from winning the title.

I didn't start watching motogp until 2008, because I'm a tater tot. My knowledge of the sport doesn't go as far as all you almighty powersliders. However, you guys are stuck on the fact that I'm giving you .... for always bringing up stoner and just pointing out the young gun. Like I said before and I'll say it again, I think MM has mad stupid choices...however I can see why he did. Because as you can tell it's a .... measuring contest on this forum sometimes. I hope mines the biggest!

I think you want an invite to watch said .... sucking/........

My only requisite is you have to take part, and we have to live stream it with Dorna's help back to this forum.

Sound good?

Right on Lotus, you know exactly what I like! ;)
 
So then you are making the assertion that he has "evolved". Which decidedly makes a judgement based on past event projected onto the present (evolution). But my analysis is flawed because I used the same logic?

And I do agree, he has 'evolved', I just don't think he has evolved to a point where the dangerous risks put everyone under are acceptable.



You know, I no longer read every bit of information out there that the riders express after incidents like I used to. But I think I heard Marqz complained about a lot of things, (engine power, swingarm, chassis, Honda being slow to react. etc) not the least being the tires (and of course it wasn't his own mistake, hell even Cuntslow said "the tired failed me", no not his brain attached to his hands). So honestly, I'm not sure what led to his 'crash' (an event where one decidedly 'loses control'). I am starting to read how suddenly the RCV is a piece of ...., even revisions that it was a piece of .... last year (Kropaganda). Its amazing he (Marqz) is able to stay on top of this bucking Bronco which is "hard to ride" apparently; that is now declared the "third" best factory machine behind Yamaha and Ducati--a machine that has yet to win a race. So I guess one can blame or claim whatever the hell thought crosses the mind.

Regarding Simoncelli compared to Marquez, quite the contrary of what you assert in my estimation, I would say Marquez has enjoyed far more acceptance for his antics than Simoncelli. Simoncelli was not only rightly criticized by many spectators, pundits, and fellow riders, and league admonishments; but was the subject of an infamous public spectacle of high profile riders calling him out on his dangerous antics (Lorenzo and Pedrosa). The pundits chimed in too, Kropo even calling Simoncelli dumb.

Contrast this with Marquez, who has been basically criticized by a few members of Powerslide and (.....Tiananmen Square), if a tree falls in the forest....well you get what I'm saying. Other than that, not many detractors, quite the contrary! Most fall over themselves to praise his magical powers to praised Marquez for his alien skills. His promos and Dorna feed is a never ending loop of superslow mos in an attempt to capture the mystical elbow down (a feat apparently invented by the lad). Even when he ..... up its describe in lofty terms, laughing as I type this, when he crashed at Mugellow going light speed hailed not as an attempted suicide but rather another record breaking feat as 'the fastest ever crash in GP history', that doesn't sound bad. Swept under the rug was his attempted murder of the Thai rider in Moto2, with a laughable penalty of starting from the back of the grid. Then there was the torpedo of Pedrosa, similar in fact to Simoncelli's incident. Semoncelli became the villain in that episode while an idiodically placed HRC sensor became the villain in the Marquez torpedo for .... sake. What of Marquez's torpedo of Rossi? Hardly a blip, deemed a racing incident. When Marquez and his team ignored the safety limits imposed by the League based on tire concerns at Phillip Island, putting himself and everyone else at risk, the only penalty was in effect deduction of points. The League shelved (and nobody questioned it) this penalty system that was supposed to be cumulative, which would have garnered a race ban, and surely the championship!

So...MurderMac has not been "mercilessly criticized", quite the contrary.



Agree. And I would say, the sport has learned little to nothing from his untimely death because the particular incident was a freak accident and NOT judged (as Keshev has reasoned for Marquez) as a continuum of Simoncelli's previous transgressions. I would say that it will take Marquez to Alvaro Bautista bowling ball into 5 riders before anyone will take notice. But who am I kidding. Even when riders die we don't do .... about it and rationalize the event as just an unfortunate freak accident and nothing to do with the rider's lack of 'evolution'.

While on the subject, how do you think the incident between Marquez and Rossi at Le Mans been described had this happened between Marquez and Casey Stoner, where Casey would have called out Marc as a ....... dangerous rider? I can read the headlines now, Casey the Whiner Cry Baby. It was a miracle that Rossi stayed on his bike, but lets say they both crash. Does this change the dynamic? Well it seems to be the prevailing logic because MurderMac by some minor miracle hasn't careened into the first turn. And surely when it does happen, he can take the Alvaro Bautista excuse that riders in front of him were too slow.

another thing we all have to realize, is that yes, MM has been racing for a while now...but remember he's still only 22 yrs old. now i know, MOST of you guys aren't 22 anymore but you sure as hell remember how hard headed you were at that age.

so instead of theorizing & all this he said/she said ........ (thanks limp bizkit) – MM is still learning & growing the .... up.

but any 22 yr old who's been the baby champ for 2 years & now everything is falling apart you are going to make some bad decisions to still prove you are a top contender.

also - we can all see, his elegantly sloppy style is now failing him...while JLo's flawlessness is sky rocketing him to the top and as much as i love my skinny italian noodle vale...he's def going to have to fight to keep those points up.

i mean come on guys - you all know at 22 you made some terrible decisions that make you all look like ........ too. it's just MM looks beautiful doing it.

Actually I made the judgement of his having evolved on evidence of his riding in the present.

And there is such a thing as calculted risk. Sometimes they pay off. He hasn't stuck anyone or fairing bashed anyone in quite some time.

Given the amount of critisism from the current batch of Honda riders about various aspects of this year's model - I think it's reasonable to believe there is at the very least a modicum of truth in the collective opinion of the Honda riders, and if one is objective and allows for the possibility that "evil Honda" could outspend everybody and still .... up, to believe that tho it's an unconvienient truth, the Honda is not the best bike this year. It
wouldn't be the first time Honda was too slick for their own good.

So - if we assume that there is indeed a liklihood that the Honda is not working well with the tires, we can at least give the benefit of the doubt and say that MM's crash was likely not a result of being out of control, but rather the result of a tire issue. The fact that he dominated so easily the last two seasons and is "mysteriously" struggling this year - would bear this out.
It seems much more likely that the issue is the bike rather than a loss of
ability over the Winter break.

As to MM's age... that's not a good excuse. Freddy Spencer was winning championships at the same age and was an exemplary sportsman. He had incredible humility (for a racer that is).
 
I never got the Pedrosa love at all.

I don't hate him, I just think he's the sort of guy missing that last necessary bit which is why he hasn't become a champion in the premier class.
 
I guess it's his pint size frame...

Don't be silly now.

Motor racing is littered with tons of guys who were talented, but lacked that last bit to put them over the top.

For every Mick Doohan, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, Casey Stoner, and so on, there are dozens of talented guys who were said to have the skills to become world champion, yet never did. Then among those sorts of guys, you had another group who saw them out of the sport, dumped unceremoniously for new fresh blood that had the promise the former did.

Talent only gets you so far. To become a champion, it's part luck, and it's about what's in between the ears as that's what gives a rider the drive, dedication, and relentlessness to succeed. That's where that extra half a second, or second come from.
 
Jesus, so much happening between going to bed and waking up. I love this place.

another thing we all have to realize, is that yes, MM has been racing for a while now...but remember he's still only 22 yrs old. now i know, MOST of you guys aren't 22 anymore but you sure as hell remember how hard headed you were at that age.

Other have responed in similar ways, but what I was going to say when i saw this was sure, he's 'only 22' but he's been riding at world championship level since he was 15, and racing probably for 10 years before that. So let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's been racing 12 years, 7 of those at world championship level. If I was working in a job 7 years and still kept making 'rookie' mistakes I couldn't use that as an excuse. Ok it's not the best analogy, but my point is that as a person yes he's growing up and still young, but as a racer (and 4 time WC) he should be beyond those .... ups by now. Lorenzo got most of those out of his system (08 when he was highside king, and 09 when he was lowside king) within the first two years and before he even won a title.

here we go again with the stoner .......

as much as you guys wanna .... the .... out of stoner & want to suck his .... while he sits on the RCV...it'll unlikely happen. but it would be surprising.

All that aggression, I think you wanna .... Stoner...

Fabio Quartararo?

As the most hated man on earth?

If only I had the time. I've been stuck on this forum ....... around with you.

You love it..

Right on Lotus, you know exactly what I like! ;)

There's a story here....


Hey, you used my Big Lebowski line, screw you lady!! :p

I never got the Pedrosa love at all.

I don't hate him, I just think he's the sort of guy missing that last necessary bit which is why he hasn't become a champion in the premier class.

I personally think he had it too easy coming up. The best of evertyhing, handed the best bike on the grid and just expected to be totally dominant, then he found out in the top class you have to work for it that much harder.

I guess it's his pint size frame...

Some guy's have dicks that are bigger than the complete Pedders :mask:
 

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